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myLot reputation of 22/100. kennyrose (5047) 2 years ago

Before the Health care bill was passed between 40-50% of the doctors polled said they will take an early retirement or flat out retire if the health care bill should be pasted.
We should expect to have half he doctors that we have right now by 2014 when this bill kicks in.
The ones in medical school we can not really count on to become the new doctors,it is like they begin school already in debt when they get out due to this health care bill what they can charge will be greatly caped,I think we will see much lesser medical students becoming doctors.
I wonder with the percentage of doctors our county will no longer have how it is going to work having 30 million more people dumped in to our health care system.
Because of this health care bill passing so far 60 hospital has reportedly stop all new construction in their hospitals you can read the story at the link below.
Starting 2014 people presently having no health care insurance will have coverage but what good will it be to have health care coverage and people can't get appointments for months to see a doctor?


(60 new Hospitals construction canceled due to health care bill)

These rules are under Title VI, Section 6001 of the Patient Protection and
Affordable Care Act. The provision is titled "Physician Ownership and Other
Transparency - Limitations on Medicare Exceptions to the Prohibition on
Certain Physician Referral for Hospitals."

More than 60 doctor-owned hospitals across the country that were in the
development stage will be canceled, said Molly Sandvig, executive director
of Physician Hospitals of America (PHA).

"That's a lot of access to communities that will be denied," Sandvig told
CNSNews.com. "The existing hospitals are greatly affected. They can't grow.
They can't add beds. They can't add rooms. Basically, it stifles their
ability to change and meet market needs. This is really an unfortunate thing
as well, because we are talking about some of the best hospitals in the
country."

The organization says physician-owned hospitals have higher patient
satisfaction, greater control over medical decisions for patients and
doctor, better quality care and lower costs. Further, physician-owned
hospitals have an average 4-1 patient-to-nurse ratio, compared to the
national average of 8-1 for general hospitals.

Further, these 260 doctor-owned hospitals in 38 states provide 55,000 jobs,
$2.4 billion in payroll and pay $509 million in federal taxes, according to
the PHA.

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1. myLot reputation of 82/100. spalladino (11857)   ranked 127 out of 3,985 in politics   2 years ago

Gee, doctors referring high income patients to hospitals they own? Here's the entire article in case anyone would like all of the information instead of just the part you cherry picked.

(CNSNews.com) - The new health care overhaul law - that promised increased
access and efficiency in health care - will prevent doctor-owned hospitals
from adding more rooms and more beds.

These hospitals are advertised as less bureaucratic and more focused on
doctor-patient decision making. However, larger corporate hospitals say
doctor-owned facilities discriminate in favor of high-income patients and
refer business to themselves.

The new rules single out physician-owned hospitals, making new
physician-owned projects ineligible to receive payments for Medicare and
Medicaid patients.

Existing doctor-owned hospitals will be grandfathered in to get government
funds for patients but must seek permission from the Department of Health
and Human Services to expand.

The get the department's permission, a doctor-owned hospital must be in a
county where population growth is 150 percent of the population growth of
the state in the last five years; impatient admissions must be equal to all
hospitals located in the county; the bed occupancy rate must not be greater
than the state average, and it must be located in a state where hospital bed
capacity is less than the national average.

These rules are under Title VI, Section 6001 of the Patient Protection and
Affordable Care Act. The provision is titled "Physician Ownership and Other
Transparency - Limitations on Medicare Exceptions to the Prohibition on
Certain Physician Referral for Hospitals."

More than 60 doctor-owned hospitals across the country that were in the
development stage will be canceled, said Molly Sandvig, executive director
of Physician Hospitals of America (PHA).

"That's a lot of access to communities that will be denied," Sandvig told
CNSNews.com. "The existing hospitals are greatly affected. They can't grow.
They can't add beds. They can't add rooms. Basically, it stifles their
ability to change and meet market needs. This is really an unfortunate thing
as well, because we are talking about some of the best hospitals in the
country."

The organization says physician-owned hospitals have higher patient
satisfaction, greater control over medical decisions for patients and
doctor, better quality care and lower costs. Further, physician-owned
hospitals have an average 4-1 patient-to-nurse ratio, compared to the
national average of 8-1 for general hospitals.

Further, these 260 doctor-owned hospitals in 38 states provide 55,000 jobs,
$2.4 billion in payroll and pay $509 million in federal taxes, according to
the PHA.

In one ironic aspect, President Barack Obama's two largest legislative
achievements clashed. The Hammond Community Hospital in North Hammond, Ind.,
got $7 million in bond money from the federal stimulus act in 2009. It will
likely be scrapped because of the new rules on physician-owned hospitals,
according to the Post-Tribune newspaper in Merrillville, Ind.

These hospitals have long been a target of the American Hospital
Association, which represents corporate-owned hospitals as well as
non-profit hospitals.

An AHA study from 2008 says that physician-owned hospitals "lessen patient
access to emergency and trauma case;" "damage the financial health of
full-service hospitals and lead to cutbacks in service;" "are not more
efficient than full service community hospitals;" "use physician-owners to
steer patients;" "cherry pick the most profitable patients;" and
"provide
limited or no emergency services."

Meanwhile, one AHA fact sheet asserts that physician-owned orthopedic and
surgical hospitals costs are 20 percent to 30 percent higher than average
hospitals. Further, these hospitals just lead to higher profits for doctors,
the AHA asserts.

"We don't cherry pick patients, period, end of story. We take patients based
on their need for care, not on their ability to pay," Sandvig said. "It [the
health care reform] puts control outside the hand of physicians and patients
and into bureaucrats' hands really.

The Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS) is one of many
organizations suing to have the law declared unconstitutional on the grounds
that the federal government cannot compel someone to buy a product.

While the provision on physician hospitals is not part of the lawsuit, it
will affect it, Dr. said Jane Orient, AAPS executive director.

"If the law is declared unconstitutional, then the prohibition is part of
the bill," Orient told CNSNews.com. "There are vested interests in getting
rid of physician-owned hospitals because they do a better job and are more
affordable."

The provision in the legislation and efforts opposing these hospitals can be
simply explained from Sandvig's view.

"It's anti-competitive. I think it's pretty clear," Sandvig said. "We're a
model that makes sense that's affecting innovation. We're trying to do
something better than it has been done. Anytime you do that, there's going
to be a clash between the existing and the new. Unfortunately, it's a real
David and Goliath battle."


myLot reputation of 80/100. whiteheather39 (15570)   ranked 195 out of 3,985 in politics  2 years ago

?? Now that you have copied and pasted from your news website of choice what is your response to the original discussion text?
As you appointed me MyLot guideline monitor I feel obliged to point not one but two infringements.
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myLot reputation of 80/100. whiteheather39 (15570)   ranked 195 out of 3,985 in politics  2 years ago

As a reminder...your comment:
spalladino 14 hours ago

If you're going to be the hall monitor, whiteheather, you will be expected to restate this rule each and every time someone breaks it...that's in the job description. In an effort to assist you in transitioning into your new position, I would like to suggest that you keep your eagle eye on Sarah Palin's number 1 fan who is a frequent violator.

On behalf of all of the members of mylot, I would like to express our sincere gratitude to you for the way you steadfastly adhere to the rules...


myLot reputation of 22/100. kennyrose (5047)  2 years ago

spalladino,
I did not post the entire article because if I did that I would be reported for braking a my lot rule,you know them that just get off on reporting me for the least little thing.
I understand your very pleased with the passing of this unconstitutional health care bill that corrupted politicians passed against the will of the majority of the American people.
The fact remains these same people that claimed tens of thousands are dieing every year due to no health care insurance under this handy-dandy health care plan will have to go on dieing until some time in 2014.
People with pre-existing conditions will have to suffer and wither away in pain as well until 2014, do you find that inhuman being the people that wrote and passed this bill had the power with in their hands to end all these people's medical miseries?
Would it be safe to say this health care plan has to first collect tax's for the next four year's to begin to pay for what they passed against the will of the majority of the American people?
In a nut shell because they bought something having not the money beings the United States is "BUSTED" flat broke people have to go on suffering and dieing for lack of health care until 2014,tell me is that human of the creators of this health care bill,I really do not think so.
I think the problem with in this article that 60 private hospitals has had to stop construction on their hospitals because of this government interference under this newly past health care bill.
There is the lesser population in our country that loves government to rule every aspect of their life's but the majority of the American are fighting like hell to remain a free people.
Come 2014 when 30 million people will have health care coverage of some kind these people along with all of us will be dam lucky to get a doctor appointment any time in the near future.
With lesser doctors,nurses,specialists,lab people it will be one hell of a pain in the butt and a total nightmare for all of the American people,oh except for them that wrote them self and their loved one out of this health care bill,ha-ha they are the real smart ones other then the Americans that are fighting this unconstitutional health care bill.
Thanks for the cut and paste job, man it is very LONG ~ ~ ~





myLot reputation of 82/100. spalladino (11857)   ranked 127 out of 3,985 in politics  2 years ago

I don't want to discourage you, whiteheather...I think it's wonderful that you want to branch out in your role as hall monitor...but you probably should stick with your original position description until you have a little more experience. While I do appreciate your diligence, there are a few errors in your determination of my response to rose.

Now that you have copied and pasted from your news website of choice what is your response to the original discussion text?

My response is above the text of the article that I copied and pasted...which came from the link rose provided in her OD. The second sentence of my comment indicated that. Posting the same link again would have been redundant, don't ya think? I provided quality information...it's called the whole story...instead of simply the parts rose wanted to use in her efforts to prove that the world is coming to an end.

Nice effort though. thumbup


myLot reputation of 82/100. spalladino (11857)   ranked 127 out of 3,985 in politics  2 years ago

Rose, there's no rule against posting an entire article. The hall monitor is new but she will get better at her job with time and experience.

As to your claim that uninsured people with pre-existing conditions will have to suffer and die until 2014...I have already told you several times that Page 45, Section 1101 guarantees them immediate access to a high risk pool within 90 days. Unless I'm mistaken, 2014 doesn't start in less than 90 days. What I find inhuman, rose, is that you couldn't care less about the people with pre-existing conditions, that you intentionally spread misinformation in your unending attempts to use lies and fear to support your political agenda.


myLot reputation of 85/100. k15682 (169)   ranked 55 out of 3,985 in politics  2 years ago

KR, "unconstitutional healthcare bill"? Who determined it to be unconstitutional? As far as I know the bill has not yet had a ruling from ANY court on it's constitutionality (is that even a word?). Please list your references.

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2. myLot reputation of 66/100. Starchaser (773)   2 years ago

If they don't mind earning less, they can go here, ken...:)

We do need lots of doctors here, especially the good ones.

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3. myLot reputation of 95/100. OpinionatedLady (1935)   ranked 113 out of 3,985 in politics   2 years ago

I have read most of this bill and it is more of a crime then a good thing. So much of it is bravado which will not help our nation. We have been falling behind other nations for years and this bill will make it worse.

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4. myLot reputation of 80/100. whiteheather39 (15570)   ranked 195 out of 3,985 in politics   2 years ago

There are so many changes in this bill/law that are nothing less than detrimental to our health care, especially seniors.

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5. myLot reputation of 97/100. hofferp (2894)   ranked 23 out of 3,985 in politics   2 years ago

It appears to me that the AHA had the better lobbying effort (more money in the pot) than the PHA when it came to writing up/debating the recently passed health-care law. A study by the AHA saying that physician-owned hospitals...doesn't convince me that we don't need all kinds of hospitals, regardless of ownership...corporations or physicians.

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