Nearly 4M to pay health insurance fine by 2016

@laglen (19759)
United States
April 22, 2010 8:27pm CST
WASHINGTON - Nearly 4 million Americans — the vast majority of them middle class — will have to pay the new penalty for not getting health insurance when President Barack Obama's health care overhaul law kicks in, according to congressional estimates released Thursday. The penalties will average a little more than $1,000 apiece in 2016, the Congressional Budget Office said in a report. Most of the people paying the fine will be middle class. Obama pledged in 2008 not to raise taxes on individuals making less than $200,000 a year and couples making less than $250,000. Story continues below ?advertisement | your ad here Republicans have criticized the penalties, even though the idea for a mandate was originally proposed by the GOP in the 1990s and is part of the Massachusetts health care plan signed into law in 2006 by then Gov. Mitt Romney, a Republican. Attorneys general in more than a dozen states are working to challenge the mandate in federal court as unconstitutional. "The individual mandate tax will fall hardest on Americans who can least afford to pay it, many of whom were promised subsidies by the Democrats and who the president has promised would not pay higher taxes," said Rep. Dave Camp of Michigan, the top Republican on the tax-writing House Ways and Means Committee. Democrats argue the mandate and the penalties are a necessary part of a massive overhaul designed to expand coverage to millions who now lack it. They point out that getting young, healthy Americans in the insurance pool will reduce costs for others. Americans who don't get qualified health insurance will be required to pay penalties starting in 2014, unless they are exempt because of low income, religious beliefs, or because they are members of American Indian tribes. The penalties will be fully phased in by 2016. About 21 million nonelderly residents will be uninsured in 2016, according to projections by the CBO and the Joint Committee on Taxation. Most of those people will be exempt from the penalties. Under the new law, the penalties will be phased in starting in 2014. By 2016, those who must get insurance but don't will be fined $695 or 2.5 percent of their household income, whichever is greater. After 2016, the penalties will be increased by annual cost-of-living adjustments. People will not be required to get coverage if the cheapest plan available costs more than 8 percent of their income. The penalties will be collected by the Internal Revenue Service through tax returns. However, the IRS will not have the authority to bring criminal charges or file liens against those who don't pay. About 3 million of those required to pay fines in 2016 will have incomes below $59,000 for individuals and $120,000 for families of four, according to the CBO projections. The other 900,000 people who must pay the fine will have higher incomes. The government will collect about $4 billion a year in fines from 2017 through 2019, according to the report. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36721139/ns/politics-health_care_reform/
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@spalladino (17891)
• United States
23 Apr 10
I'm not in favor of the mandate but I also don't like the twist of this report. How did they come up with this estimate? I also question this part: "The individual mandate tax will fall hardest on Americans who can least afford to pay it, many of whom were promised subsidies by the Democrats..." Have the subsidies to help offset the cost of insurance gone away and I missed that? (This is a serious question.)
@laglen (19759)
• United States
23 Apr 10
Thats why I posted the story from msnbc. I didnt want every body to say that Fox is biased so it isnt true. I think the subsidies they are referring to would be the Corn husker kickback, louisiana purchase, etc.
@spalladino (17891)
• United States
23 Apr 10
Well, that stinks. Maybe the lack of subsidies will help defeat the mandate in court.
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@spalladino (17891)
• United States
23 Apr 10
I agree with you. Although I am in favor of healthcare reform, I've never supported the mandate because, yes, it is uncostitutional. I don't want this bill to make things worse for anyone.
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@EvanHunter (4026)
• United States
24 Apr 10
What middle class? We live in the new America there isn't one.
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@laglen (19759)
• United States
25 Apr 10
there is your redistribution at work! how do you like your hope and change?
@laglen (19759)
• United States
26 Apr 10
It is a thin line to middle class. It takes one company to lay off and BAM you are not middle class anymore. The majority of the middle class is so overextended in credit now, that one or two months and they will lose their homes. People do not buy homes then stay, they take one mortgage after another, buy new cars every 5 years or less. My ex-husband constantly buys new stuff then put the old loans on his new ones. Can you imagine paying for a boat that you sold 5 years ago for less than you owed? That is just nuts! I do not get this mind set. I pay cash for everything. I paid off and canceled my credit cards ten years ago and now refuse all credit. I own my vehicle. I do have a very small mortgage that we will have paid in ten more years then thats it! So when the economy tanks, I do not have the problems others do. But to reiterate, the middle class is dangerously close to extinction.
• United States
26 Apr 10
Sure we have lots of stuff but how much debt do we have and how much of that stuff do we actually own not whats just owned by the bank? 30 years ago you could pay for a car in less than 3 years, 20 years ago 4-5 years, now we are up to 7 years to pay for the new vehicle you buy that wont even last the full warranty that's on the vehicle. Most every problem you have pointed out is caused by upper class. Only 6% of the population makes over 100k a year in the untied states, the average family income has been less since 2000. The trade deficit with china and NAFTA will put an end to the middle class its only a matter of time. There is no way that American workers can compete with billions of people who are literally working for slave labor. If you don't think that there is a organized plan to destroy the middle class than do the research yourself on incomes and cost of living over the past 10-30 years . Or maybe you are one of those people that think that well prices will drop when we Americans work for less, since 2000 we have worked for less and prices on vehicles, housing and food have still risen. As the old saying goes the poor get poorer and the rich get richer, "middle class" is just term for a numbers racket so people don't wake up and realize how we are getting ripped off by the rich and elite. Ever wonder why the definition of low income/poor has barely risen in income when inflation and cost of living has grown by leaps and bounds? Its to make us think we are doing alright when in reality they are sticking it to us. Not to mention to make the same income both parents now have to work compared to 50 years ago when most families were single income. Its not a question of what you have that you owe for its what do you have that you don't owe and in today's terms that's far less than 50 years ago.
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@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
23 Apr 10
This doesn't surprise me in the least. I thoroughly expected this as did most people who weren't blinded by the "awesomeness" of Obama. It's no mistake that this is set to get ugly in 2016. At that point, if not sooner, we'll have a republican president. All the blame for this will fall on him/her since that's who will be in office when it happens.
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@Celanith (2327)
• United States
24 Apr 10
Not if Obama declares martial law first which may well happen
@laglen (19759)
• United States
23 Apr 10
Will we still be able to blame Bush?
• United States
23 Apr 10
I know that this health care has me scared. My husband works part-time and I am currently not working. The ecomony has hit us badly and I am afraid that if we are required to get health insurance then it may come to the point where we need to decide between health insurance and paying the mortgage. Of course my husband and I would have to pick the mortgage because we need a roof over our heads. This is extremely unfair. My husband and I tried to get Medicade, but unfortuately since I am not pregnant and neither is he we are not eligible. (We tried getting it for my husband and the case worker had the nerve to tell us that he was ineligible because he is not pregnant. I asked her since when do men get pregnant.
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@laglen (19759)
• United States
23 Apr 10
lol you should have told her that yes he was.
@unique16 (1529)
• United States
23 Apr 10
Hello Laglen, I saw this article too. It is shame these people will get fines. Especially the middle class people who have children in college or college and at home. It does not even matter if you single or married. To be hit these fines is hard for anyone and the IRS being the watch dog. What till court sytems get filled up with these cases and prisons etc... they will see how nutty this is... when we have crimes going on in our cities and people dieing etc... Thanks and have a great weekend Sincerely Unique16
@Celanith (2327)
• United States
24 Apr 10
And to add insult to injury Obama wants to give amnisty to several million ILLEGAL aliens. Who get lots of freebies and we get to pay for their health care too. Oh wait I will probably be in jail with you. Where they gonna put us all the jails are already full, you can fine people but how do you collect something someone doesn't have. I don't think they have at all realized how stupid this is and is not going to work. Maybe we will all be rounded up and put in concentration camps. Then they can force needles on us and pills down our throats and monitor us day and night.
@k15682 (300)
• United States
23 Apr 10
I'm not understanding this whole healthcare debate. When I was raising kids health insurance was not a luxury, it was a necessity. I know a couple with 3 small children and they have no health insurance. They make too much for the freebie insurance, refuse to pay for insurance through their employers but yet they pay $900 a month for vehicle payments. I suspect there are many families like this that are doing the whining about this healthcare bill. Unfortunately common sense has to be mandated more and more in this country.
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@Celanith (2327)
• United States
24 Apr 10
I have not bought a new car ever in my life of being married 40 years and not even a second or third hand one in ten years. My clothes are second and third hand, freecycle, yard sale or thrift shop or given by friends. We get $1100 per month, $620 goes to mortgage, daughter buys our food for my babysitting for her. We have auto insurance, satellite internet connection and cell phone for hubby for his part time work so we can afford to keep paying our mortgage and electric bill and landline phone. Our cell phone does not work where we live but hubby has it in town as his work requires it and they require he has internet connection. After utilities, mortgage, phone and personal hygine, auto insurance, gas and oil and upkeep and tabs and $159 for hubbys student loans. We have about $100 left for either food, clothing or health care. We don't have one cent left for any luxury items and I know of others in the same boat and they are not driving new or even second hand cars or wearing new clothing or have new furniture or appliances or anything. Small children cost money, diapers, special food, they grow out of clothing and shoes fast and day care is expensive as well. You don't even have a clue k15682. Often employers insurance is higher than their budget allows with expenses. True the vehicle payments are rather higher than I would ever pay. I would dumb the costly car and find an ugly but reliable cheap car to drive. If they can afford to eat out and feed pets and go to movies, kids are in scouts or something then they are sure a lot better off than a lot of families I know with kids.
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@laglen (19759)
• United States
23 Apr 10
But it is MY choice if I want to purchase health care. If I want to spend my money on cars, it is MY money therefore MY choice.
@Celanith (2327)
• United States
24 Apr 10
Collect from who? If I cannot afford medical how am I going to afford a fine on top of not affording medical? And it is against my relgious beliefs and I am low income we make less than $20,000 per year. Maybe I can get an Indian tribe to adopt me I know a lot of Yakima, Spokane and Colville and Couer d Alene Indians. I am part Blackfoot too. Maybe I should get a DNA test to see if I qualify for belated enrollment. This is stupid. It is not going to work.
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@laglen (19759)
• United States
25 Apr 10
If it is against your religion, your are exempt. I was thinking about starting my own! or becoming Amish - I could do it!