Will insider trading bill become law?
@thegreatdebater (7316)
United States
January 30, 2012 11:18am CST
President Obama mentioned this bill in his state of the Union, and the Senate is scheduled to vote on this bill today. But, the House has yet to find a bill that they are satisfied with. There are two ideas when it comes to insider trading: The first is to outlaw it, the second is to just notify people of the trades. Would you rather see the trading stopped, or just notified? And, should spouses be involved in this ban?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/senate-to-look-at-congressional-insider-trading-bill/2012/01/26/gIQAhIB3TQ_story.html
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@sierras236 (2739)
• United States
30 Jan 12
Senator Harry Reid is screwing around again. Instead of doing his actual job of getting a BUDGET passed, he is dickering around with another side issue from a Presidential speech designed to make him and the President look good.
As far as insider trading goes, sure pass a bill that stops it. I am actually all for such a thing. That is barring anything else that might be in the bill that is objectionable.
Public notification is kind of iffy. I think what will happen is that people will see a Congressman investing in a company and will jump on the bandwagon. I could see some people basing their investments on these trade notifications and then at some point getting screwed because of the timeline on reporting.
However, Harry Reid needs to do his NUMBER ONE JOB FIRST and then worry about this piece of legislation. It can wait. His priorities are clearly screwed up.
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@thegreatdebater (7316)
• United States
31 Jan 12
It isn't Reid alone, it is the American people who are fed up with congressmen making tens of millions on investments that serve their own purpose. Wouldn't you like to know how many times a congressmen pushed a deal because they were making money on it? The American people to know. Wouldn't it be nice to find out how Mitch McConnell went from $5 million to $32 million in the worse economy the country has seen in 70 years?
People can invest in what people like Warren Buffett invest in, but they understand that the time delay makes it impossible for them to make money off of the deal.
He is doing what is important to me, and many other Americans. Just because it isn't what YOU want, doesn't mean that it is what I want. I hate to tell you this, but you aren't the only person in the US.
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@sierras236 (2739)
• United States
31 Jan 12
Yes, I know that it isn't Reid alone. But he is the one responsible for bringing bills up for a vote, including the BUDGET.
See, we are of differing opinions on the time delay because not every investor will realize that there is one, especially if they are new to the game.
He is NOT doing his job and that's important. There is nothing in the Constitution about Congress having to pass an insider trading bill. But there certainly it is the job as written down by the Constitution to get a BUDGET pass. It is not about what I want or what you want. Put very simply, Congress NEEDS a BUDGET. The American people NEED Congress to pass a budget. Tell me one single household, a small business, a company, a recipient of government services, a Union organization, a Charity, etc. that can operate without a BUDGET and not get into major financial trouble.
Passing a BUDGET is certainly about wanting Congress to do its job but it is more about getting this Country out of this endless spending spree that it has been on for the past three years. That should be the FIRST priority. Then they can do the insider trading stuff and all of that other stuff. But all work on anything else should cease until the BUDGET gets passed not because it is a want but because it is a NECESSITY.
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@thegreatdebater (7316)
• United States
3 Feb 12
Sierras, you should know that budgets aren't worth the paper they are written on. We all remember GWB passing budgets that didn't included hundreds of billions in spending on the wars. If you are going to write a budget and exclude hundreds of billions than why write one in the first place? Why didn't the American people call for an ACCURATE budget during the Bush years? Ever wonder why Bush began office with a surplus, and left with a record deficit?

@bobmnu (8157)
• United States
31 Jan 12
The simple solution is to have Congress follow all the laws they pass. Right now there would be several Congressmen being investigated if they had to follow the same laws on insider trading that we have to. This would take care of the spouse issue because the SEC would review any large transaction that resulted in a quick profit. One Congressman suggested that all elected and appointed officals would have to put their finances in a blind trust until they left office.
If the EPA and OSHA were free to sanction Congress both groups would be eliminated so fast it would make your head spin.
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@thegreatdebater (7316)
• United States
3 Feb 12
I agree with you 100%, but I am sure you will see this bill die as soon as the election is over. You are correct about the spouse issue, I should have considered this, but the SEC would have to investigate the spouse, and we all know how much power congress has over the departments they fund. I am sure that the first investigation start would result in a dramatic hit to their budget.
@mehale (2200)
• United States
31 Jan 12
On this one I have to side with what Obama stated in the SOTU. I agree completely that it needs to be stopped. And I also think that their spouses should be involved as well. Why should they be able to use information that is not publicly available to make more money off of the taxpayers when they are trading what SHOULD be public stock and they are using information that is NOT public? There is something very seedy and underhanded here.
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@bobmnu (8157)
• United States
2 Feb 12
If they use their spouses or children's accounts the SEC will monitor Any large trade or trades that are made shortly before a big jump in the price of the stock and those who also sold it after the jump. From what I heard on the news some of the Trades of Congressmen would have triggered an investigation except for the fact that they were exempt form the law.
@thegreatdebater (7316)
• United States
31 Jan 12
I agree, and what they will do is block only the member of congress, so they will just trade using their spouses account, until people realize that they doing this, and then they will just hope no one finds out.
@thegreatdebater (7316)
• United States
3 Feb 12
Of course they would Bob, because of the amounts of money they made in the time frame they made it. Jack Abramoff was asked on CNBC if he ever received insider information from his capital hill friends. He said that Wall Street was to risky, and he would have done more time in jail for trading the information than he did for just buying the congressman, and women. The sad part is that he is 100% correct!!!
@crossbones27 (52905)
• Mojave, California
30 Jan 12
I would rather see it stopped. Its like working for an employer that holds contests and allowing employees from that company to participate too, even though they have inside knowledge of how to win the contest. I have yet to see one corporation allow this for their employees. So why should congress be allowed to trade based on the info they are privy to each day? If they want to play the stock market then get out of congress.
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@knoodleknight18 (917)
• United States
1 Feb 12
I kind of agree with sierras that it really is just a distraction from more important issues. Yes, insider trading is a problem, but all of wall street has become more of a problem than its worth. The stock market has turned into a breeding ground for shady deals and white collar crime. I really don't see what this would achieve, its already hard enough to truly sanction insider trading. Does anyone really think this bill would do anything more than turn into a law never gets enforced?
The only thing congressmen should be allowed to invest in is government bonds, personal savings account, and maybe some basic retirement fund. They shouldn't be allowed to vote on any bill that affects the industry they "work" in. They get enough pay and benifits as it is. If they're supposed to be serving the people why can't they do it for the same amount of money as those who put their lives on the line to protect this country?
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@thegreatdebater (7316)
• United States
3 Feb 12
This may be an election year ploy, but I hope that it will make it through congress, and change the law so that the people the write the laws aren't above the law. I agree that congress shouldn't be able to vote on groups that they have business with. The problem is that if you were to do that then groups that have regulations pending in congress could donate money to every congressmen making it impossible to them to vote on the bill.
The whole key to avoiding this problem is to take the money out of politics, but the Supreme idiots have made that impossible.
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@crossbones27 (52905)
• Mojave, California
3 Feb 12
Plus they get all the fringe benefits.
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@knoodleknight18 (917)
• United States
3 Feb 12
I agree, quite frankly the money should be taken out of it. They already make food wages with great benefits being in office. This whole crap of donations and things needs to end. Maybe there should only be pacs and very, very limited donations. I think a big part of the problem with the country is that our congressmes make 3 times as much as the average household just in pay and can't live on it.
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