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myLot reputation of 81/100. KrazyKlingon (3171)3 years ago

Has anyone noticed that there are many parellels between Black Sabbath & Deep Purple? They both were popular throughout the 1970's & beyond that. They also faced personnel changes & even launched careers of new bands & artists. Well, not really new artists, but other bands were derived from both, Black Sabbath & Deep Purple. They even had various members & musicians going back & forth between the bands that were formed.

As an example, Richie Blackmore, the guitarist for Deep Purple, formed Rainbow. In the first line-up was Ronnie James Dio. After that, Ronnie himself replaced Ozzy Osbourne in Black Sabbath (most memorable for me was "Voodoo" from the Mob Rules album. Then Ronnie started his solo career as Dio.

I'm trying to see about getting a listing of all of the common factors of both bands in addition to the one I mentioned in my example.

 
 
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Lewah69 (1218) response was accepted on 2/13/2007.
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1. myLot reputation of 88/100. funnysis (1547)   3 years ago

You are very correct and there are several more some times if you listen to the beat you find it hard to tell them apart,when you do the comparison I would be interested to find out as I think the drummer of deep puple done a song for another group low scale.


myLot reputation of 81/100. KrazyKlingon (3171)  3 years ago

A lot of other musicians have gone back & forth between the various bands, in addition to Ronnie James Dio being involved with members of both bands. Off-hand, I can't remember who they are.


myLot reputation of 81/100. KrazyKlingon (3171)  3 years ago

OH - I just remembered - another band that got derived from Deep Purple was Whitesnake. David Coverdale replaced Ian Gillan as the lead singer of Deep Purple, & he is (or was) the singer for Whitesnake. I think the most well-known songs were: "Slide It In" & "Is This Love" & my favorite "Here I Go Again"

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2. myLot reputation of 96/100. Lewah69 (1218)   3 years ago

That´s an interesting discussion, well i know about what you have wrote. Do you know why Blackmore formed the band Rainbow?

He wanted to put a cover version of the song "black sheep of the family" on the next album but he´s band members denied it, so he got Ronnie James Dio the sing it. For this single they also wrote the song "16th century greensleeves" but this single wasn´t released. Richie knew Ronnie through Dio´s band The Elves (Elf) who had toured with Deep Purple in the early 70´s.
So then he founded Richie Blackmore´s Rainbow in the mid 70´s to get his solo career started, also he was unhappy with the musical direction Deep Purple went since Coverdale and Hughes came in the group. Sure you know Rainbows live record: On Stage 1977 for me it´s Rainbows best album.

There sure are a lot of parallels in these groups but the fact is that musical it´s complete different and unique.
You really have to listen close to it, i would say that Dio sounds just a little bit like Rainbow.


myLot reputation of 96/100. Lewah69 (1218)  3 years ago

I just remember that Tommy Bolin replaced Blackmore in 1975 he also was a very talent guitarist and had played on the LP Spectrum from drumer Billy Cobham, though he was more a rock guitarist, Cobham wanted him for his solo album Spectrum (it´s more like jazzrock/fusion) it´s a great album. Bolin died in 1976 only 25 years old.

ps. have you ever seen Deep Purple at California Jam 1974,
i have it on videotape, they played with Emerson Lake & Palmer and Black Sabbath, it´s pretty good. Ritchie smashes his guitars and burns down the amplifiers.


myLot reputation of 81/100. KrazyKlingon (3171)  3 years ago

And I thought I knew a lot about these things. You just gave more information. I knew that Ronnie James Dio was in Elf, but I never knew that they played with Deep Purple. It seems that Jon Lord & Ian Paice? (the drummer) seemed to be the only two founding members that stayed with the group throughout its career.

Yeah - the album, Burn had Coverdale/Hughes in Deep Purple. I'm not sure what prompted the change in the line-up. I'm trying to remember if Hughes also joined Whitesnake with Coverdale ... well, we'll leave that for someone else to explain.

Well, Dio seems to be slightly heavier metal than Rainbow, but I'm sure that his time as Rainow's vocalist did have a heavy influence on his solo career, being that was pretty much what got him famous.


myLot reputation of 96/100. Lewah69 (1218)  3 years ago

Yes with all these changes some really good groups came up,
DIO was really great. I don´t know if Hughes has played with Whitesnake but i know that Ian Paice played with them in the begining of the 80´s, also has Jon Lord.

I want to ask you if you know the band Dokken also founded in the end of the 70´s. George Lynch play leadguitar he was also a great sideman, ohhh i love his solos.
Well i enjoyed this conversation write me back if you like to.


myLot reputation of 81/100. KrazyKlingon (3171)  3 years ago

Dokken's guitarist George(?) Lynch is a good guitarist, but I just learned something new. As a band, they're one of my favorites, articularly "Alone Again." The thing about Don Dokken, is that he has this very "gentle & sweet" & smooth voice that while a talented vocalist, I kind of feel that he's not much of a heavy metal vocalist. However, still good music nevertheless.


myLot reputation of 96/100. Lewah69 (1218)  3 years ago

Yes your right he´s not a big shouter, his voice is really nice sounding and i don´t really like the heavy screamers.
I like songs like When Heaven Comes Down, Standing In The Shadows and Into The Fire. Do you have that double LP live record BEAST FROM THE EAST??? it´s great i mostly listen to that one. see ya´ Mike


myLot reputation of 81/100. KrazyKlingon (3171)  3 years ago

I had to stop buying CD's because I ran out of money. The worse thing was it was also at the time that the RIAA was beginning to file lawsuits against individual file sharers. Furthermore, when you download like this, all you get is just the music itself. You don't have a CD in your hand with the literature & pictures that comes when you buy the CD or order it online.

So far, the only things in my actual collection are compilations, & a couple of live albums. The only almost-full collections I have are The Scorpions & Michael Schenker, & Yngwie Malmsteen, although some of Michael's albums never made it to CD.


myLot reputation of 96/100. Lewah69 (1218)  3 years ago

Yes i hardly don´t buy CD´s anymore they really got expencive
over here. I miss a little the time with the LP´s they were much better then the digital medium also you really had something in your hands ... lol
Second point is that the records just sound better then the CD´s in my opinion. Well i have about 300 LP´s i think that´s enough to listen too.

Sometimes i go to second hand store where i found some very great ol´ records and with a good price. I agree with you´re opinion on the downloads,
well take it easy mate and see you again.

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3. myLot reputation of 86/100. liperoterachel (10154)   3 years ago

I am not familiar with any historical information on the groups but I think they have a similar sound. I like listening to them both.


myLot reputation of 81/100. KrazyKlingon (3171)  3 years ago

That wsa probably what made the members of the both groups so interchangeable.

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4. myLot reputation of 96/100. marlyse (762)   3 years ago

that is an interesting discussion krazy. i never thought of that, but you are absolutely right. and with the forth and back from the bandmembers, they gave new inputs to the bands. that might be the reason, why they had and have such success.


myLot reputation of 81/100. KrazyKlingon (3171)  3 years ago

The similarities in the music of both bands really need to be looked for. However, many Deep Purple fans enjoy Black Sabbath, & many Black Sabbath fans enjoy Deep purple as well as - what I call - offspring bands & solo artists from the two bands. Those bands & artists are Rainbow, Whitesnake, Ozzy Osbourne, Dio, & I think Joe Lynn Turner also has a solo career going.


cosmic2c (37)  1 year ago

Hmm, I've never thought of the two as being parallel musically, because so many bands that came out around that time had similar sounds - that 70s fuzz sound with big drums and intrepid vocalists. Sabbath was obviously much darker, though Blackmore oozes mystery.

But yes, they did have musician mingling.
Ian Gillan sang with Sabbath on one of their tours (I think it was to cover for Ozzy, or maybe even later).

Iommi actually almost played with Jethro Tull. How strange.

Anyway, I'm not sure what colour Black and Purple mix to form.


cosmic2c (37)  1 year ago

Last I heard Joe Lynn Turner was singing solo in his godly voice.
I heard he collaborated on an excellent double disc concept album called 'Nostradamus' which taps into the talent of various musicians.
(Not 'Nostradamus' the new Judas Priest album)

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5. myLot reputation of 91/100. RetiredTVguy2 (1518)   3 years ago

Yes, as a matter of fact I owned a rock rehearsal studio in Brooklyn during the early 80's and most of the "cover" bands that did Black Sabbath tunes also did Deep Purple tunes. Another similarity was bands that did Led Zep tunes usualy did Aereosmith tunes (my own band for one, before we started doing originals). Good subject I gave you a +.


myLot reputation of 81/100. KrazyKlingon (3171)  3 years ago

It did seem at that time that several bands had similar sounds. While I did not really notice the similarities between Black Sabbath & Deep Purple, it is there, but you really have to listen for it. You can hear a lot of similarities between Aerosmith & Led Zeppelin also.

In addition to that, back during those days, Aerosmith fans were also liked Led Zep, & vice versa. It seemed to be the same thing with Deep Purple & Black Sabbath fans. In todays day & age, when there are two similar-sounding bands, fans of each call the other one 'cheap imitations' no matter which band was out first.


myLot reputation of 96/100. Lewah69 (1218)  3 years ago

Yes i agree on your last sentence you wrote K.K. that´s really the truth. Also just for example i was discussing about the group Creed here which i must say i didn´t know about well sure the name but i didn´t know their music really. So they were some comments about they just copy Pearl Jam and Pearl Jam is better but that´s not the thing i was asking for well never mind.

I remember there were some hot discussions about groups copying styles from other´s in the 90´s but still who really cares, those days we listen a lot great groups which sound sure a little similar but still each were unique to say, so now a days it´s more like copy from a bad copy in my opinion.

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6. myLot reputation of 99/100. scarlet_woman (8828)   3 years ago

i had forgotten ritchie crossed into sabbath for awhile.
i think carmine appice might have also filled in drumming occasionally in sabbath,dio and rainbow?
that man pops up everywhere.


myLot reputation of 81/100. KrazyKlingon (3171)  3 years ago

I don't think Richie did anything for Black Sabbath, but several musicians that worked with him did end up becoming part of Sabbath, such as Ronnie James Dio, & then Ian Gillan, as well as Vinnie Appice as you said.

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7. Guitarhero213 (82)   3 years ago

Alot of Bands have Had Relationships. Black Sabbath was really close with Judas Priest Cause they both came from the same town. Actually Rob halford Has even sang for Black Sabbath. In 1992 ROnnie had a strep throut or something and Judas priest was opening. TOny Iommi asked Rob to take his place and he did for i think 3 shows.


myLot reputation of 81/100. KrazyKlingon (3171)  3 years ago

Hearing Rob Halford singing for Black Sabbath would have been interesting.

Being that Priest's music is usually louder & hard-hitting, Black Sabbath should have been first while everyone walked in with their hearing intact. However, because Black Sabbath was probably the feature band, it was the way it was.

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