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myLot reputation of 100/100. CarlHalling (1125) 6 years ago

Many might say: Bach, Mozart, Beethoven. Others would say...no, they are over-rated, I prefer more contemporary classical composers such as Rachmaninov, Mahler, Debussy, Ravel, Stravinsky, Vaughan Williams; or such heroes of the avant garde as Stockhausen. Others still would come to the 20th Century and make a case for George Gershwin, or Cole Porter...or would it be Thelonious Monk, Miles Davis? No, others still would say, have you forgotten Stevie Wonder? Joni Mitchell? Donald Fagen?
is the greatest genius of all operating among us as we speak? Let's talk...

 

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1. myLot reputation of 93/100. dholey (946)   6 years ago

for me, Late R.D. burman was the gratest musition of the hisory ... i know you people may not know him ... he has released some albums in english too,


Late R.D. Burman

myLot reputation of 100/100. CarlHalling (1125)  6 years ago

Thank you for your response. It's true I have not familar with the work of R.D. Burman, but recently we in England have had the opportunity of seeing Bollywood films, which have been shown at peak viewing time. I have watched several of these, and have found the music to be of considerable melodic and rythmic beauty. It is relatively unfamilar to me, but I find myself enjoying it immensely. I read about R.D. Burman on the superb Wikipedia site and was interested to discover that he was married to the legendary singer Asha Bhosle. As I say...relatively new to me...but I want to know more, and hear more. Thanks again. Warmest wishes. Carl


myLot reputation of 71/100. satya_music (509)  6 years ago

The Grteatest Musician 4 me ought to be the one 4 whom music was not bounden.A craftsmen of highest order who can be as at home with native music as he can be with world music. Experimentation must be his forte. Other criterion also include that he must have innoveted or must be a pioneer in his field. Well I'm not a very ardent fan of european classical formate (though I still find Mozart A Genius )but as far the recent masters are concerned two names automatically sprung to my mind and boy are they Genius? And they are Mark Knopfler and late R.D. Burman of Indian music fame. Both have prodigious talent coupled with unbeliveble sense of music. Both are relentless in their persuit of dulcet sound and eqully forthcoming as 4 as the experintation is concerned



myLot reputation of 100/100. CarlHalling (1125)  6 years ago

Thank you Satya, you state your case well and convincingly. With regard to Knopfler, no one could deny that he is a very fine guitarist and songwriter; was it his work with Dire Straits that impresses you most?


kenheartlucia30 (1)  3 years ago

my top three (3) greats in the history of music:
(1) Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart
(2) Ludwig Van Beethoven
(3) Johann Sebastian Bach
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for me,the three really are the pillars when we say of Music. the reason i chose W.A Mozart, is that the fact that even if he only had 35 years of existence, he made an outstanding -- 626 works including 41 symphonies, 23 operas, and 46 concertos to name a few.. there may be names that arises when we say of the "GREATS", but there could only be 3 geniuses that will still remain there on top.. i credit and really respect the works of the other composers as they also innovated and improvised the music that already was there.. for "MUSIC makes us ONE" =)

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2. myLot reputation of 93/100. snowflake5 (1269)   6 years ago

I would say Mozart.

I love Chopin's music, but his strength was piano music, he's not so good at the orchestral stuff, whereas Mozart seemed to produce great music no matter what instrument he was writing for.


myLot reputation of 100/100. CarlHalling (1125)  6 years ago

Thanks sf5, many would agree with you. The diversity between Mozart's childlike almost maniacal personality and his profound musical genius, which has touched so many, including the most celebrally intellectual of people, is one of the most remarkable phenomena in the history of human art, is it not? Thanks again for your response.

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3. myLot reputation of 96/100. Lewah69 (1166)   6 years ago

That´s hard to say... for me Frank Zappa was a true genius in music, not that he could play virtous guitar he had so many musical qualities himself. But as i have said it´s not easy to point out the genius of all, still he was a genius.
Miles Davis was unique to in gathering great musicians around him and create lovely and unusual music. So let me say it this way... if i only could keep three records i have i would pick out one from Zappa, Miles and the Mahavishnu Orchestra.

ps. hope you get it right you no i´m german.


myLot reputation of 100/100. CarlHalling (1125)  6 years ago

Hi Lewah! I would have to agree with you about Zappa. He was a bit of a Renaissance man, musically, and could be childlike (some might say to a fault); but also extraordinarily complex. His orchestrations were incredible, and in terms of pioneering the avant garde strain within Rock music, surely he was in a class of his own. I haven't heard Mclaughlin for a long time, but he is an exceptional talent. I'd like to see a full-scale rebirth of the Progressive element within popular music. That was the music I was most into in the early 1970s. There are individual acts of great innovativeness of course; but nothing like it was between say, 66-71. C


myLot reputation of 96/100. Lewah69 (1166)  6 years ago

Yes Carl it really would be a good thing let the progressiv elements have a little take over in todays pop. I´m
wishing for it. Thanks C. for answering.


myLot reputation of 100/100. CarlHalling (1125)  6 years ago

I agree entirely Lewah. There are good bands around, that's for sure, I mean who are willing to experiment, but for too many musicians, the old stigma is still attached to Progressive Rock, that it was pretentious. Maybe it was, lyrically speaking (they were naive times); but the musicianship was superb. I'd love to see a rebirth of the value of truly excellent musicianship. It's been too long. Take care. Carl


myLot reputation of 96/100. Lewah69 (1166)  6 years ago

Hi C. how is it going what do you think we ca aspect next years, do we may get a more progressiv line in todays music, or let me say popular music. Will it get more musical quality?


myLot reputation of 100/100. CarlHalling (1125)  6 years ago

I'm not sure L. There are artists and bands who are doing interesting things in the world today. It could be that many are not even being heard. I can't say for sure L C

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4. myLot reputation of 85/100. zeeterman (805)   6 years ago

There are 3 songwriting teams who I think are the greatest. Lennon/McCartney, Leiber/Stoller, and Bacharach/David.


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myLot reputation of 100/100. CarlHalling (1125)  6 years ago

For me, the early Beatles period was Lennon-dominated; I love it, it was naive, romantic, ebullient, while the later Beatles period from Eleanor Rigby onwards was when Macca really got into his stride. I prefer the early period by far, but Macca wrote some incredible songs, such as "Penny Lane", "Fool on the Hill", "Hey Jude". Lennon however, was evidently uncomfortable with the production excesses of the later era. Bacharach/David, again, songwriting geniuses; have you ever heard the soundtrack to the ill-fated '73 verions of "Lost Horizon"? Poor Burt and Hal had one of the few failures of their career with it, and yet even at that, some marvellous songs came about, such as "The World is a Circle". Leiber and Stoller were not really as much to my taste; and yet they gave Elvis some of his most celebrated songs. Good fun, but not in the same league as the aforementioned in my view. "Ruby Ruby" was one of theirs am I right? Donald Fagen did a great version of it; but he changed the chords a bit. It worked though. Thanks for an interesting contribution. Carl

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5. myLot reputation of 93/100. madonna143 (565)   6 years ago

Well the way that I see it you won't agree with me. For me its Madonna! She has surpassed the meaning of stardome. She has consisstently made the top charts until now. don't you agree?


myLot reputation of 100/100. CarlHalling (1125)  6 years ago

Well this I will agree with you about her: She is one of the most charismatic stage performers of our times, and really knows how to put on a show in the purest and most traditional sense of the word, and there is no arguing with her incredible success. Furthermore, many of her songs have been exceptionally well-written and infectious, and her videos consistently superior: that said, I don't like all her videos, nor all her songs. I appreciate their merit. But I am selective as to which ones I like.

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6. myLot reputation of 99/100. bunnybon7 (7709)   2 years ago

cheering oh you got me there. as far as classical, wouldnt you think Chopin? I mean how many people would think to make music out of their cat walking on piano keys? rofl actually i think every catagory has its own geniuses. possibley Micheal Jackson and Prince are in the same catagory, but as great as he was i dont think MJ wrote his own music. Prince does and ive heard it said hes a musical genius. jealous in whatever catagory she is, id say Celone Dion also.


myLot reputation of 100/100. CarlHalling (1125)  2 years ago

Yes, I'd say Prince is a genius, and if not quite, then very close. He writes all his own material; not all of it good, but much of it is superb musically (some of the lyrics don't conform to my tastes). And he's a multi-instrumentalist. Michael Jackson wrote most of "Bad" on his own, and there were some very fine songs on it, including "Liberian Girl" and "I Just Can't Stop Loving You", which is pretty impressive to me. He collaborated a lot, but when he wrote purely on his own, he could occasionally produce something extraordinary, such as "My Childhood" which is just stunning. Many of the best songs from "History" were solo compositions. Chopin...oh I didn't know he made music out of a strolling cat...!

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7. myLot reputation of 94/100. buenavida (2327)   2 years ago

One of my favorites is Beethoven and Mozart is another. I also like some of Jean Sibelius´ compositions - they are very different, but he is well known and wrote many symphonies. He was from Finland so I must have heard his music on radio in the 50s. cool

The Bible tells us about many musicians in the past, the Psalms have 150 songs and there must be lots of music and composers we have never heard of. Perhaps we get a chance after the resurrection when those people are back..rolleyes

Good to see you again Carl..have a nice day


myLot reputation of 100/100. CarlHalling (1125)  2 years ago

Good to see you Buenavida, long time no chat. I like Beethoven and Mozart of course, but Sibelius is out of this world...I loved him as a very young man, and listened to "Finlandia", "En Saga" "The Swan of Tuonela" &c. I'm revisiting them today via youtube. Thanks for reminding me to. Yes, I'd like to hear those songs...


myLot reputation of 94/100. buenavida (2327)  2 years ago

I have not heard his music for a long time either, have to make a search and find some - Sibelius himself said his music was like clean water.. I think it describes the nature in the north. have a nice day

Thanks for BR!!happy

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8. EnderWiggins (1)   2 years ago

20th century speaking, I would probably say Frank Zappa. He produce dozen of Rock/Fusion albums and spwned such talent as Steve Vai anad Mike Keneally. And after all of his Rock/Jazz accomplishments Frank Zappa considered Rock to be his "paycheck" and Classical composition to be his serious work. The Boston and Royal Philharmonics have all honored his works. He is one of the fathers of not only modern Fusion Jazz but of En Vanguard as well He was an eccentric musical genius who had never touched a drug in his life, he never had to expand his mind to embrace his music, it was naturally there. Many folks will always list the most influential composer as someone the masses listen to (like the Beatles) but do we not need to take into consideration who the musicians listen to? Any Fusion or classical artist will tell you the Zappa was a freak of nature.

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9. myLot reputation of 91/100. flowerchilde (8015)   1 year ago

I have a brother who's a real music scholar, when it comes to popular music anyway, like classic rock and the blues.. I think I like blues singer, songwriters and music the most.. When it comes down to musical genius I would probably say, from my limited knowledge, Eric Clapton, although of course (I'm thinking) he learned by studying some real blues masters.. and also, we don't know how far Stevie Ray Vaughn would've gone. Back in the 70's I was way partial to Led Zeppelin.happy And I still love alot of the words of Bob Dylan..


myLot reputation of 91/100. flowerchilde (8015)  1 year ago

...yet my all time favorite song is "Coyote" by Joni Mitchell, not that I'm all that partial to anything else I've heard her do.. Was Beethoven the one who was deaf? Now thAt's gotta be something!


myLot reputation of 100/100. CarlHalling (1125)  1 year ago

I like the Clapton of the Cream era; very much. Dylan wrote some great words; he was Rock's first true poet and intellectual, I feel. "Coyote" is awesome; I love the opening riff; it sends chills down my spine. It's from "Hejira", which has some great songs. I love many of Joni's albums. But I agree "Coyote" is amazing. There is a version she did live with the young Pat Metheny on guitar, Lyle Mays on keyboards and Jaco Pastorius on bass; I think it was from the "Shadows and Light" tour; it's just ace. Even in such illustrious company she dominates the stage. The front line of Mitchell, Metheny and Pastorius (poor Jaco) is almost a masterclass in charisma!

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10. myLot reputation of 92/100. figurativeme (568)   1 year ago

Hi! I go for contemporary classicals composers, too and partial to the ones you mentioned: Rachmaninov, Debussy, Ravel, Stravinsky though am not quite familiar with Vaughan Williams. You really know your music...i cheated and went over your comments to responses. Learned a lot.


myLot reputation of 100/100. CarlHalling (1125)  1 year ago

Hi, thanks for responding. Yes, I love all those composers; you should listen to Vaughan Williams; I feel sure you'll like his music. Probably his best known piece is called "The Lark Ascending": it's just wonderful...take a listen to it on You Tube or Spotify, or whatever. I think you'll like it.

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