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myLot reputation of 93/100. FrancyDafne (1676)   ranked 800 out of 6,502 in religion 6 years ago

As I said in another discussion ("Wicca and Catholic can it mix"), I'm going to start a discussion about Satanism and Paganism.

My liking for Satan when I was a boy never became esteem because fundamentally I've always seen him as a person who tried to take over someone else's place in exercising power. This has nothing to do with the great esteem that I've always had for Prometheus who altruistically disobeys Gods to help human beings.
Eve, one of the few women in Jewish mythology I admire, also disobeys Yaweh to get one personal advantage. I see no harm in it, but I think that Prometheus' deed is of a higher level.
I liked Satan because of his desire to destroy the hierarchy Yaweh set up.
The thing that I reject about this Myth is the banalization it creates in followers of Catholicism, i.e. the fact that they divide the world into white or black, right or wrong, good or bad, infernal or heavenly.
Existence, life, everything that happens, happened and will happen around us, has so many shades, so many tones of grey, that it's impossible to dualistically reduce all the issues that involve them. Who was Satan in Bosnia, Clinton or Milosevic? And in Rwanda, the Hutus or the Tutsis? And in East Timor, the Christians or the Muslims? The constant game of finding things either bad or good is one I'll leave to the Christians, beacuse they always "know" where right and wrong lie. On the other hand, the day before yesterday, on an evening television show, the Italian singer Adriano Celentano told Piero Pelù, another Italian singer: "Women should never have abortions". Really? Is a woman who has abortion always a torturer and never a victim?
I conclude my article by saying that I agree with Fulvio Rendhell in his book "Lilith, Satan's bride", when he states that "magic gives Satan the value of emancipating human beings in the eternal struggle with darkness. This is symbolized by a he-goat with a lighted black candle between his horns that illuminates the surrounding darkness" and that "the Catholic Church, combining sin with magical negativity and giving it an infernal demoniacal look", but the myth of Satan never resonated for me.
If somebody asked me: "What does the word "lightbearer" make you think of?" I'd doubtless answer: "PROMETHEUS".


 

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1. myLot reputation of 87/100. Ravenladyj (19028)   ranked 106 out of 6,502 in religion   6 years ago

I guess my immediate question is what does your post have to do with Satanism? Satanists dont believe in Satan...and for that matter neither do many Pagans...No trying to be rude, i'm just curious is all..


myLot reputation of 93/100. FrancyDafne (1676)   ranked 800 out of 6,502 in religion  6 years ago

Yes, you are right, in truth I have to add that what I wrote was the answer to an old article by an English Pagan who said that "Pagans must not be afraid of Satan, because Satan is a positive symbol".
Paganism has nothing to do with Satanism because Paganism has no Holy Writings who say who's the good and who's the bad.
You say that "Satanists don't believe in Satan", very interesting, I'd like to know more, if you feel like doing it.


myLot reputation of 87/100. Ravenladyj (19028)   ranked 106 out of 6,502 in religion  6 years ago

Satanists dont believe in God or Satan...Satan, much like God is a Christian created concept...Satanists are about self preservation, living for the self and so on..it has nothing to do with worshiping Satan at all..That being said though, what is it you'd like to know?


myLot reputation of 93/100. FrancyDafne (1676)   ranked 800 out of 6,502 in religion  6 years ago

Thank you for your answer. I find interesting what you say, I never knew satanists, and so I couldn't know what you told me.

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2. myLot reputation of 90/100. steerpyke (295)   ranked 166 out of 6,502 in religion   6 years ago

NOt really sure what you are getting at here but in response to the title. To believe in Satan you surley have to acknowledge Christianity as Satan is the flip side of the christian faith. Paganism is a path in its own right, has no connection with Christianity and therefore has nothing to do Satan.


myLot reputation of 93/100. FrancyDafne (1676)   ranked 800 out of 6,502 in religion  6 years ago

Well, ok, I feel obliged to apologize once again for my bad English, and so, maybe my writings are incomprehensible, but if you read my previous answer, you'll see that I think like you. One of the things that I find wonderful in Paganism is the non existance of Holy Writings that impose ethical precepts.


myLot reputation of 90/100. steerpyke (295)   ranked 166 out of 6,502 in religion  6 years ago

absolutley. I may have miss-understood your initial point then. Sorry.


myLot reputation of 93/100. FrancyDafne (1676)   ranked 800 out of 6,502 in religion  6 years ago

Well Steerpyke, no problem, unfortunately my English is bad and from time to time I could write things that people can easily misunderstand.

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3. myLot reputation of 24/100. Springlady (2044)   ranked 3,178 out of 6,502 in religion   6 years ago

Satanism and paganism are the same thing really. You are following satan and his evil ways whenever you disobey God.


myLot reputation of 87/100. Ravenladyj (19028)   ranked 106 out of 6,502 in religion  6 years ago

Satanism and Paganism are NOT the same thing.....Educate yourself if you are goin to post on it, dont post FALSE info


myLot reputation of 24/100. Springlady (2044)   ranked 3,178 out of 6,502 in religion  6 years ago

Of course it is the same thing. Anything that goes against God is evil...you are following satan whether you admit to it or not.


myLot reputation of 90/100. steerpyke (295)   ranked 166 out of 6,502 in religion  6 years ago

Satan is part of the Christian belief system. As a pagan I have my own path and beliefs, I don't believe in your God or your Satan but have my own view of the world and it didnt come out of a BOOK!!!


myLot reputation of 90/100. steerpyke (295)   ranked 166 out of 6,502 in religion  6 years ago

also by your definition "anything that goes against god" (I assume you mean the Christian god) all other religions are satanists be it Pagan, Buddist, Muslim, Hindu, Atheist. Glad that you are so open minded and allow people to hold their own beliefs.


myLot reputation of 24/100. Springlady (2044)   ranked 3,178 out of 6,502 in religion  6 years ago

There is only one God and that is the Living God. The Bible is His Word to us.
God will show up in your life sooner or later. I pray it is sooner instead of later. He is real whether you want to believe it or not.


myLot reputation of 93/100. FrancyDafne (1676)   ranked 800 out of 6,502 in religion  6 years ago

Will God show up sooner or later? Wow.... that sounds interesting.... and when He (excuse me, He or She??!?) will see me what will He do? What's my future with God living on the earth?


myLot reputation of 24/100. Springlady (2044)   ranked 3,178 out of 6,502 in religion  6 years ago

He will show up in some way in your life. I don't know in what way. He will also show up when He returns to take His people Home. There is Judgement Day when we will all see Him face to face and account for how we lived our lives.


myLot reputation of 93/100. FrancyDafne (1676)   ranked 800 out of 6,502 in religion  6 years ago

So will I account for how I lived my life? Well, so I have nothing to fear, I never harmed anyone and I have always respect towards everybody.


myLot reputation of 24/100. Springlady (2044)   ranked 3,178 out of 6,502 in religion  6 years ago

You have sinned just as we all have. You may be a "good" person by society's standards, but what about God's standards? His are totally different than man's.


myLot reputation of 93/100. FrancyDafne (1676)   ranked 800 out of 6,502 in religion  6 years ago

Ok, I think not to have anything to add. I don't believe in your God and so I hope He'll never come here. If I'm wrong, I'll see what to do.... now I have other problems to solve....

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