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myLot reputation of 5/100. dreadstar (689) 6 years ago

The Old Testament is filled with numerous stories of animal and
human sacrifice. God, we are told, likes the pleasing aroma of
burning flesh.
Genesis, the first book of the Bible, has Abraham preparing to
sacrifice his son to God."Take your son, your only son – yes,
Isaac, whom you love so much – and go to the land of Moriah.
Sacrifice him there as a burnt offering on one of the mountains,
which I will point out to you." (Genesis 22:1-18) Abraham takes his
own son up on a mountain and builds an altar upon which to burn him.
He even lies to his son and has him help build the altar. Then
Abraham ties his son to the altar and puts a knife to his throat. He
then hears God tell him this was just a test of his faith. However,
God still wanted to smell some burnt flesh so he tells Abraham to
burn a ram.

Even though he didn't kill his son, it is still an incredibly
cruel and evil thing to do. If Abraham did that today he would be in
jail serving a long sentence as someone's prison-beeotch. It amazes me
how Christians see this story as a sign of God's love. There is no
love here, just pure unadulterated evil.

The first seven chapters of Leviticus have extensive rules
regarding animal and food sacrifices. These offerings are supposed
to be burnt so that God can smell them. If you read through these it
seems clear to me that the priests were getting their followers to
make a big feast for them every week. The priests were very
particular about what kind of food to bring and how to prepare it.

Even more peculiar is God's obsession with first-born sons. In
Exodus 13:2 the Lord said"Consecrate to me every first-born that
opens the womb among Israelites, both man and beast, for it belongs
to me." Later it says that you can redeem (replace) a donkey with a
sheep and that you must redeem a child for an unspecified price. It
is clear from the context that"consecrate" means a burning
sacrifice. These priests are guilty of theft and kidnapping. Since
any sins in the Old Testament were punishable by death, these priests
used the threat of death to extort food and money from their
followers. What do we call a scum-bag that threatens to kill your
kids unless you pay a ransom? A kidnapper! If these priests were
alive today they would be in prison with Abraham.

However, in Leviticus 27:28-29, the Lord allows for no
redemptions."Note also that any one of his possessions which a man
vows as doomed to the Lord, whether it is a human being or an animal,
or a hereditary field, shall be neither sold nor ransomed; everything
that is thus doomed becomes most sacred to the Lord. All human
beings that are doomed lose the right to be redeemed; they must be
put to death." I must admit that I am a bit confused by this
contradiction, but it might only apply to slaves in your possession.
Not that it makes any difference. A human sacrifice is a human
sacrifice, and it is just sick.


Bible Passages About Ritual Human Sacrifice


Jephthah Burns His Daughter
"At that time the Spirit of the LORD came upon Jephthah, and he
went throughout the land of Gilead and Manasseh, including Mizpah in
Gilead, and led an army against the Ammonites. And Jephthah made a
vow to the LORD. He said,"If you give me victory over the Ammonites,
I will give to the LORD the first thing coming out of my house to
greet me when I return in triumph. I will sacrifice it as a burnt
offering.""So Jephthah led his army against the Ammonites, and the LORD
gave him victory. He thoroughly defeated the Ammonites from Aroer to
an area near Minnith – twenty towns – and as far away as Abel-
keramim. Thus Israel subdued the Ammonites. When Jephthah returned
home to Mizpah, his daughter – his only child – ran out to meet him,
playing on a tambourine and dancing for joy. When he saw her, he
tore his clothes in anguish."My daughter!" he cried out."My heart
is breaking! What a tragedy that you came out to greet me. For I
have made a vow to the LORD and cannot take it back." And she said,
"Father, you have made a promise to the LORD. You must do to me what
you have promised, for the LORD has given you a great victory over
your enemies, the Ammonites. But first let me go up and roam in the
hills and weep with my friends for two months, because I will die a
virgin.""You may go," Jephthah said. And he let her go away for two
months. She and her friends went into the hills and wept because she
would never have children. When she returned home, her father kept
his vow, and she died a virgin. So it has become a custom in Israel
for young Israelite women to go away for four days each year to
lament the fate of Jephthah's daughter." (Judges 11:29-40 NLT)


God Commands Burning Humans
[The Lord speaking]"The one who has stolen what was set apart
for destruction will himself be burned with fire, along with
everything he has, for he has broken the covenant of the LORD and has
done a horrible thing in Israel." (Joshua 7:15 NLT)


Josiah and Human Sacrifice

At the LORD's command, a man of God from Judah went to Bethel,
and he arrived there just as Jeroboam was approaching the altar to
offer a sacrifice. Then at the LORD's command, he shouted,"O altar,
altar! This is what the LORD says: A child named Josiah will be born
into the dynasty of David. On you he will sacrifice the priests from
the pagan shrines who come here to burn incense, and human bones will
be burned on you." (1 Kings 13:1-2 NLT)

He[Josiah] executed the priests of the pagan shrines on their
own altars, and he burned human bones on the altars to desecrate
them. Finally, he returned to Jerusalem. King Josiah then issued
this order to all the people:"You must celebrate the Passover to the
LORD your God, as it is written in the Book of the Covenant." There
had not been a Passover celebration like that since the time when the
judges ruled in Israel, throughout all the years of the kings of
Israel and Judah. This Passover was celebrated to the LORD in
Jerusalem during the eighteenth year of King Josiah's reign. Josiah
also exterminated the mediums and psychics, the household gods, and
every other kind of idol worship, both in Jerusalem and throughout
the land of Judah. He did this in obedience to all the laws written
in the scroll that Hilkiah the priest had found in the LORD's
Temple. Never before had there been a king like Josiah, who turned
to the LORD with all his heart and soul and strength, obeying all the
laws of Moses. And there has never been a king like him since. (2
Kings 23:20-25 NLT)

Human Sacrifice

Chastised a little, they shall be greatly blessed, because God
tried them and found them worthy of himself. As gold in the furnace,
he proved them, and as sacrificial offerings he took them to
himself. In the time of their visitation they shall shine, and shall
dart about as sparks through stubble; (Wisdom 3:5-7 NAB The Book of
The Wisdom of Solomon is mostly in Catholic versions of the Bible.)


Child Sacrifice

And this became a hidden trap for mankind, because men, in
bondage to misfortune or to royal authority, bestowed on objects of
stone or wood the name that ought not to be shared. Afterward it was
not enough for them to err about the knowledge of God, but they live
in great strife due to ignorance, and they call such great evils
peace. For whether they kill children in their initiations, or
celebrate secret mysteries, or hold frenzied revels with strange
customs… (Wisdom 14:21-23 RSV) The Book of The Wisdom of Solomon is
mostly in Catholic versions of the Bible. This passage condemns
human sacrifice but acknowledges that it did happen by early God
worshipers.


Humans are Fuel for Fire

As for you, son of man, prophesy: Thus says the Lord GOD against
the Ammonites and their insults: A sword, a sword is drawn for
slaughter, burnished to consume and to flash lightning, because you
planned with false visions and lying divinations to lay it on the
necks of depraved and wicked men whose day has come when their crimes
are at an end. Return it to its sheath! In the place where you were
created, in the land of your origin, I will judge you. I will pour
out my indignation upon you, breathing my fiery wrath upon you, I
will hand you over to ravaging men, artisans of destruction. You
shall be fuel for the fire, your blood shall flow throughout the
land. You shall not be remembered, for I, the LORD, have spoken.
(Ezekiel 21:33-37 NAB)


Burn Nonbelievers
"Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving
you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow
citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such
cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true
and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you
must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as
well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the
middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch
as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a
ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that
has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his
fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you
and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your
ancestors."The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him
and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is
pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)

Assh*les like the one I lifted this page from like to present it as
some kind of 'damning expose' on"Christianity", but clearly these
are not the books of the New Testament but rather the pre-
Christianity books, and we know who they pertain to, and THAT is w

 

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1. ctodd75 (15)   6 years ago

Actually, that is very interesting. I, for one, am curious- but I am sure that no one can really give me that great of an answer. (Sorry, but I have been asking this question for years now to different religious priests and not really gotten a straight answer.) Why, if the Christian and Jewish God is so merciful and kind- why is he, in so many ways and shapes- just a really big bully? Think about it- in the Bible, numerous times, its 'if you dont do things my way, I, your God, will kill you'- or make your life miserable or something to that effect. I just dont understand why God, or Allah, or whoever you believe in- would make you choose in that way. Arent you supposed to go to God because of free will, not because you are being forced into a choice?

Organized religion, as a whole, (in my opinion, of course) has become so money hungry, so hyprocritical (yeah, my spelling sucks) that I personally believe that no religion is completely pure and has exactly what God intended. For example, the Catholic priests who thought that God spoke to them to molest little boys and girls. What about all the cover ups for years? Think about the Crusades in the early 1400's when, in the name of God, decided to force Christianity onto people. What about Wiccans or just general pagans? They were wiped out, all in the name of a 'loving and kind' God.

Once again, this is just my opinion- I am not trying to get people upset- I just want people to step out of the box they have shut themselves into and think, just for a little bit.


myLot reputation of 5/100. dreadstar (689)  6 years ago

Personally what I came up with is that Jesus was a reformer of a system gone mad, and in no way is christianity of the new testament related to the evil doings of the old testament. It is Islam and Judaism that share common roots, not christians, and those two tribes of the same race have plunged the whole world into another armed conflict, just as they have always done.


ctodd75 (15)  6 years ago

Okay, I do somewhat get what you are saying. However, I am somewhat confused.

It is Islam and Judaism that share common roots, not christians.

Yes, they all share common roots because of the Old Testament. Jesus, even though he revised many of the old teachings and laws, still believed in parts of the Old Testament. In my opinion, the system was and is still flawed, mainly because no one wants to go back to the basic teachings of the Bible- or whatever Holy Book you believe in.

I am curious if you believe Mary was married to Jesus or not. The reason why is because some people do, and others dont. I, for one, believe that many books of the New Testament were taken out and that Mary has a bigger role than many people think.


ctodd75 (15)  6 years ago

You do know why the Islams and Jewish communities hate each other so much? It is, once again, because of a common ancestor. I will put more on here later about that subject, if you like... Just to educate others, of course. Many people do not know the real issue- just that they are taught from birth to hate other people/religions.


myLot reputation of 5/100. dreadstar (689)  6 years ago

I'm interested in hearing more, but I wish they would just nuke each other and leave humans out of their petty tribal warfare


ctodd75 (15)  6 years ago

You know, that would prolly be too simple. :)


myLot reputation of 5/100. dreadstar (689)  6 years ago

ctodd75 (15) 15 hours ago
You do know why the Islams and Jewish communities hate each other so much? It is, once again, because of a common ancestor. I will put more on here later about that subjec
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Yes I'd like to hear more, when you have time

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2. myLot reputation of 87/100. juls2me2 (1218)   6 years ago

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