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Noah´s ark confirmed thorugh Greek and Sumerian legends.   email this discussion to a friend?

myLot reputation of 68/100. juliocstryfe (1608)   ranked 466 out of 6,502 in religion 5 years ago

A poster was recently refuting Noah´s arc by comparing it to other like legends and comparing to ships of their eras when I dug out the Bible and Q´ran and noticed two things-

1) The ark was uncomparable with ANY ship ever made.
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Both the Bible and the Q´ran stressed that no vessel like it has existed before, and Sura 11:41 says: "And he (Allah) said, 'Ride ye in it; in the Name of God it moves and stays!", it was under the command of god, and under his control. So it was a one-of-a-kind vessel, which had never been buolt before, controlled by god.

2) Noah (nuh) predates civilizations.
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We Muslims date Nuh(noah)´s ark as something happening before the first civilizations appeared, Muhammad (PBUH) said: "The period between Adam and Nuh was ten centuries." (Sahih Bukhari). According to Genesis 5 (new Revised Standard Version), Nuh (Noah) was born 126 years after the death of Adam. (although one of the popular Muslim view is that Muhammed meant Adam´s time=his creation, thus the Bible isnt invalidated at all).

Now for the sake of fairness, I will take "Adam´s death" as the time the first homo sapiens fossils were dated from, 500000BC (after all, we´re talking about the first man, so lets take the eraliest account of man), with Nuh (noah) being born either 126 or 1000 years.

When did the first civilizations appear? The earliest trace of it? A granary was found dating back to 9500 BC.

Now the Sumerians and Greeks and Egyptians, who have told of the flood and a man asked by god to build a ship and fill it with the animals of the earth, appeared in 3500BC and 2000BC, tens of millenia AFTER the time of Noah. And yet their tales tell the same story.

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So not only the story of Noah is told among all Abrahamic religions through God´s revelation, but is also told by other civilizations.

Most historical facts of the ancient world have only one or two acounts, yet the Flood and the Ark has been told by many. Proof enough to accept that the flood did happen, and that by the excess of accounts, that an ark did exist.

 

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1. myLot reputation of 71/100. perugu (6040)   ranked 6,012 out of 6,502 in religion   5 years ago

hi,Thank you friend for sharing this valuable information.I too came to know so much good information through this discussions.

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2. myLot reputation of 55/100. sndcain (3075)   5 years ago

Interesting discussion! In addition, most ancient civiliations have their own legends of "giants in the land", which also validates the biblical account of the Nephilim, which according to the Bible is what lead to the flood in the first place. Even the Mayans have mythology concerning giants.


myLot reputation of 68/100. juliocstryfe (1608)   ranked 466 out of 6,502 in religion  5 years ago

And the best of all? Fall of man due to introduction of evil seems to be part of every other culture´s belief.

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3. myLot reputation of 37/100. Gnosisquest (777)   5 years ago

Hi Julio; thanks for taking the discussion, blowing it all out of proportion and providing misleading information.

Not only is your account of the flood reported by other civilizations entirely wrong but your notion that sin was the downfall of man in other cultures is also baseless.

ras


myLot reputation of 68/100. juliocstryfe (1608)   ranked 466 out of 6,502 in religion  5 years ago

1) You put a wrong date on the Ark, and claimed it was based on an earlier story. According to the Biblical and Islamic dates, it happened before the Sumerians, and the fact that 3 other civilizations mention the Flood (Egyptian, Greek and Sumerian) shows pretty much that the flood happened, and science hasnt been able to porve otherwise?

If its untrue, then why do 6 different cultures talk about it, and mention the ark?

2) Misleading? Like the "historian´s date" that was off by 10,000 years ?

3) Baseless? The fall of man due to evil exists in many civilizations, just like the Bible and Q´ran say it.

The Sumerians have it-
http://home.comcast.net/~...

The Africans have it (sorry, you´ll have to check the book out)
http://www.amazon.com/Dic...

The Mayans had it
http://www.siloam.net/jenkins/index.html

Heck, google up "fall fo man" and evil, - bible and Q´ran and you´ll have countless mythologies saying the same thing as the Bible.

So now who am I to disconsider the beliefs of countless people, civilization after civilization saying their version of THE SAME story I believe in? I cant say its 100% true, but unless scinetist can say every one was worng, and PROVE it, dismissing them is just as baseless on science as is accepting them.


myLot reputation of 37/100. Gnosisquest (777)  5 years ago

The Sumerian Ziusudra which I had you Google did not exist before the Sumerians the tale is a Sumerian legend. The Sumerian legend is a Parable; it was adopted by the Babylonians that passed it down to the Israelites about 3000 years after the legend was written in Sumer.

The Judaic Genesis tale was written after Berossus "Babylonia" which was where the Israelites got the information from.

The people that worshipped the Judaic God prior to 1000 BCE were the Shasu.

There was no sin in he Sumerian tale; sin in the Judaic legends came from the "Sons of God" read Gen:6 and the books of Enoch.

Imagination was what the Israelites employed when they rewrote the Babylonian and Egyptian tales.

Imagination was also what was employed by Mohammed when he rewrote the Judaic fable a few hundred years after that again.

There is no honor in misleading people; don't make up stories which never happened around old fables and parables. Such alteration does not prove the existence of any God.

ras


myLot reputation of 68/100. juliocstryfe (1608)   ranked 466 out of 6,502 in religion  5 years ago

Well, again, I said unless scientists prove that the flood isnt a scientific fact.

Because my faith has been made stronger by knowing that the story Ive heard has been backed up, although told differently (but then even things like the sun and the reath have been described differently thorught history), but however I am willing to say that I could be 100% wrong.


myLot reputation of 68/100. juliocstryfe (1608)   ranked 466 out of 6,502 in religion  5 years ago

BTW as I said in another thread, the existence of God is a gery area. None can prove he exists, none can prove he doesnt. I say he exists due to faith, which is not an arguement for his validity, but a personal opinion, so my apologies if that seemed unclear to you the first time I said it.


myLot reputation of 37/100. Gnosisquest (777)  5 years ago

Julio; I would like to apologize for I know how wonderful it would be if you were correct so I don't blame you for writing what you did. I know you have no interest in misleading anyone; OK?

Now here is a link to what scholars say about Genesis and Exodus. These are the scholars that make it their life's quest to study all ancient literature. The site is Eisenbraun's; they publish only material pertaining to the ancient near east and everything is of a scholarly nature.

The book "Berossus and Genesis, Exodus and Manetho" is not even published yet, it will be available soon at the introductory prize which may seems high but these are scholarly books intended for scholars.

I have read much of the material from the book because of a group which I belong to where Russel Gmirkin, the author is also a member. There is no need to get mad, that which is true is what we all desire to know, I trust we are all big enough to understand there may be a difference between what is true and what our wishes are.

https://www.eisenbrauns.com/ECOM/_20O1CCKL9.HTM

Best Regards Ras


myLot reputation of 37/100. Gnosisquest (777)  5 years ago

The book is published but already out of stock. The link is correct but has to be copied and pasted to work because of the "s".

ras


myLot reputation of 68/100. juliocstryfe (1608)   ranked 466 out of 6,502 in religion  5 years ago

Added "Berossus and Genesis, Exodus and Manetho" to my Opera net watchlist, If it appears on amazon, Ill get informed of it.


myLot reputation of 68/100. juliocstryfe (1608)   ranked 466 out of 6,502 in religion  5 years ago

And dont worry mate, faith to me not = fact, but something I believe in, otherwise I wouldnt have changed religion so often.

I have faith that the story is true, and accept the legends by other civilizations as signs confirming it having happened, but I wouldnt say its a proven fact.

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