Cash Crate and Treasure Trooper are SCAMS!

They train you not to help any of them, just grab the money and run.

Could you give me the link where they train you to take the money and run? I don't see any sites promoting this tactic. In fact, I see then cracking down on fraud and insisting their users enter truthful information.

Just logon to TT and see what they ask you to do, it doesn't take a PHD to figure it out. You can justify whatever you feel like to protect your ill gotten gains and I'm sure my 'Star' will suffer from this, but I think people should know the other side before they lower their morals to stealing.

Ok--this has gone too far. If you are accusing me and a lot of others on here of stealing, it's time to show some proof.

And also--I have made arguments numerous times about how this is beneficial to advertises too because they increase web traffic to their sites (traffic is highly valuable in today's worls) and also that these marketers are able to collect demographics, etc.

And you continue to ignore these points and turn around and pass judgement.

You are doing the same thing on MyLot. You ghave written a blog telling people how to exploit MyLot and how to get more advertisers money in their pockets. Using your logic, that makes you a thief too.

You certainly have the right to that opinion and I am happy to let the people visit my Blog and judge for themselves. I am also happy to let people join those programs and make their own mind up if what I say is valid or not. That's all I am doing is calling it to their attention and if you read the rest of this thread you will see that come agree and others didn't realize it until this came up. My goal was accomplished. As for changing YOUR mind, that's only something you can do and I have no desire to force you to do anything you don't believe in.

But you can call something I believe in a scam and put it down, yet justify your own blog which is based upon the same principles--making money from advertisers.

The only advertiser on my Bog is ME, not that it makes any difference.

It is not really honest, I don't believe. Not anymore... I just got a call from a telemarketer that called my number because of my participation in CC. I told him I wasn't interested, but he said I filled out a form online. I told him I get paid to do that from CC, and he asked how that worked.. I told him. He was shocked that he was wasting his time calling people who only are filling out forms to get paid from a company like CC.

And to top it all off I didn't even get paid my $26 and that is okay with me, since I feel bad that I am making people work at calling people like me who don't want their products anyway.

Who Cares about them as long as we are make money. come on get with the programe.

we are all not rich .but we should care our friend even though we see once .Is not it?

TT is NOT a scam.. A scam is people who cheat you out of money you pay in.. Are you losing anything when just filling out free offers that just want to know your name, address, email, phone number, gender and DOB? NO YOU DO NOT. If you don't want a telemarketer calling you just get a free online voicemail offered by many companies. People amazing me though they are so quick to label anything when really they didn't even try. Is any site making you do CC offers? NOPE! Is any site making you give out your information? NOPE! Is any site making you join their site in general? Again NOPE! so therefore what do you have to complain about? TT does pay and I have been paid several times. I have been a member of TT for well over a year and I can guarantee that site is NOT a scam. If you don't have an actual interest in taking part in offers then don't join. If your just joining to make it look like you tried just so you can say your a member and label it a scam.. Why bother? Your wasting your own time. You don't know how much TT is paid for each offer do you? Its not much I can guarantee you that much. I am a member of one of the affiliate programs they use and I am assure you the free offers only pay maybe $1.50 at most for each one approved if that.

Treasure Trooper is very legit they are not a scam they do pay you what they owe you. I have made well over $600 there. Also there is nowhere that the site tells you to cancel anything they discourage it because that would cause tons of reversals from the companies in the long run causing TT to lose money. They are one of the best Gpt sites out there.

Treasure troopers is not a scam, it has one of the highest approval ratings and pay outs of the GPT sites out there. With cash crate however, I believe that they randomly suspend people's accounts for fraudulent usage, just because they do not want to pay you out. That is not true with treasure troopers though, and I have personally made over $1000 with them!

Treasure trooper is by far the best GPT website out on the market. i am a member on a couple of them such as gangster greed, cash crate, and cashlagoon. but by far TT has the best offer approval and the shortest approval time, and all the surveys that they make available to you really helps you roll in the dough. i would definitely recommend it to people looking for money as being a long time member myself.

ok... i know many site owners, i am a member of many sites... i have seen you on many sites including fusioncash saying they are all scams... i have started making my own site. it's not open yet. should be within a month or two but anyway... there is no scam! the advertisers pay the site owners to get new clients for them. the site owner in return pays you for checking out the advertiser's products... there is no agreement at all between the advertiser and the site owner to pay you anything. that is something the owner just does. they give you apart of what they are being paid. they could very easily just go blog all the advertiser info and keep all the profit for themselves. but they want to pay us for looking into the products. so they are no in anyway scaming anyone! if anyone is getting scamed it's not us, or the advertiser's. the only people the site owners would be scamming would be themselves. so please before you go shooting off at the mouth again and talking all of this crap you know nothing about. think and do so research please! try making a site and getting info from advertisers and then you will know the truth!

Please see my post below. Old Buddy has not considered all of the benefits. This is a win-win situation, and the companies sponsoring offers are coming out winners too.

I also do not think it is fair for someone to bash a way of making money on line without proof. I only advertise GPT sites because I have proof they pay.

I'd like to see some proof regarding this argument, such as a profit/loss statements from companies that are actively sponsoring these offers.

Anyone who is a member (and I was) can see what happens and you can rationalize all you want but you will never convince me that those claiming to make $250 a month are doing anything but ripping off advertisers. There is no way you can justify accepting that many free trials with a legitimate purpose.

Agreed Old Buddy. But most of us make our money by responding to surveys, joining other sites, requesting information, etc.

In turn--we are helping companies collect demographic data that is no longer available through telemarketing because of the do not call laws.

If you are among that group, then God Bless You. The problem is you are in the minority.

No I am not old buddy. I have communicated with well over 1,000 other users, so I think that is a pretty good sampling. How many members have you communicated with? Again, you make an argument, but offer nothing to back it up.

Just read the rest of this thread for a good idea what people here think. Then see how many are PITCHING these deals on the basis of making hundreds of dollars a month.

I think communicating with over 1,000 members is a more legitimate study.

And you are quite justified to believe that, but it doesn't prohibit me from voicing an opinion.

I would be concerned about it being legal really. We did see some of those email scams and some ptr get shut down and we know that paypal has banned some or put holds on them before. I would be concerned to check on the legal staus because you would hate to get caught up in working for someoone who will be shut down?

I've not joined TT before. But as for your theory on'demographic information', linguist. I disagree, I would certainly not purchase advertising for measley demographic information, I purchase advertising for results! So if TT is encouraging its members to join programs and leave them at a later date just so they can get some money. I would say that is downright unfair to the advertiser.

I purchase guaranteed signups on occasions and I know that most will be joining just for the money, so I factor that into my calculations. But I certainly don't need guaranteed signups from a company who actively encourages its members to leave once they join my program.

But like I said I've never even taken a look at TT... so please correct me if my argument is wrong.

i dont care what other people think about the CC as long as they pay every month ill stay..

I totally agree with you Linguist, besides if anything it is somewhat helping them because alot of the offers I have signed up for I never knew about and I actually stayed a client of some of them, everyone has their own opinion we each do what we want, I choose to be a member=)

What is 'taking advantage' if it's not a scam? I don't see how anyone can make an income taking advantage of anyone without realizing they are in the same category with any other con man. My integrity was worth too much to allow me to do that.

oldbuddy, I know that you jump to take advantage of the opportunities that you think will benefit you, such as purchasing new digital information products to resell. Taking advantage of something--like an offer for free advertising--often has negative connotations, but in essence all it really is is grabbing an opportunity when it presents itself to you. Nothing in the affiliate agreements prohibits passing on percentages of affiliate earnings to those who sign up for the products, so why shouldn't those paid to post sites use that to their advantage? I still believe that if it was really an issue with the companies that offer affiliate programs, they wouldn't hesitate to cancel out those affiliates' accounts.

These companies are "big" companies because they know "how" to make money... if you are a business man then you should recall that sometimes it takes money to make money... if you are not then perhaps there is a reason!

These companies are "big" companies because they know "how" to make money... if you are a business man then you should recall that sometimes it takes money to make money... if you are not then perhaps there is a reason!

Buying a product outright and reselling it hardly compares to the larceny practiced by TT and CC with the help of their often unsuspecting members. I don't doubt that many of the deals they offer do get their affiliate agreements canceled, but there are enough others around that they will never run out. That doesn't make it right.

Again--Old Buddy, who is forcing advertisers to advertise on CC and TT? It is interesting that I have made so many different points on how advertisers benefit in this arrangement too, and how you refuse to rebutt any of them.

They don't force them. The advertisers make the offer and TT exploits it. They go seek out these offers to share with their members and the advertisers by virtue of having made the offer public, have no choice but to pay up.

A good example would be when I sold bags of beef jerky on Ebay at a loss to get people to try my product in the hope they would take an interest in becoming distributors. Even though I explained what I was doing, one guy came along and bought up every one he could bid on until I discovered it and blocked him from bidding. What he did was certainly legal and within the Ebay guidelines, but was he justified in what he did from a moral viewpoint?

Yes, because E-bay is based upon auctioning. When you auction something, you take a chance. Sometimes you will make money and sometimes you will lose.

It was your choice to put the beef jerkey on E-bay. No one forced you. The bidder was hoping for a good deal, but someone could have outbid him. I think blocking someone from bidding because he bid on several of your auctions is not an honorable thing to do. It defeats the purpose of an honest auction.

And also--he might have become a really good customer had you not blocked his bids.

oldbuddy, when you realize that one person is grabbing up all of the cheap jerky that you're selling on eBay, it's time to do one of two things: raise your price, or stop selling your jerky directly on eBay and make use of eBay's classified ad format to generate leads. Considering the fact that this one bidder was taking advantage of the opportunity to get cheap jerky from you, I'd say it's safe to say he thought it was good, and if you'd made it impossible to get it from you cheaper than from Jerky Direct, you may have had a very good customer for years to come.

It was not offered at auction, it was a buy it now. I don't need advice on what to do, I already found another path to take, I was just using that as an example. If it was dishonorable to block a bidder then Ebay would not have that as an option, would they?

I think E-bay has it there so you can block people who have not paid you in the past.

Wow. I must apologize if I hit a nerve there. I wasn't attempting to give you advice, simply point out that there are options other than blocking a bidder in situations like the one you described. I've been an eBay seller for years, though, and I never list anything with a Buy It Now price unless I'm willing to sell that item to any bidder who is willing to pay that amount for it. Also, as Linguist said, eBay has the block bidder measure in place so that you can avoid dealing with users who haven't completed their end of a transaction, or users who have chronic problems with completing transactions on eBay. Buying items at a price -you- chose to set for them should not be grounds for banning a bidder from your future listings.

No nerve at all, I'm just saying I found my answer and the problem doesn't exist anymore. It was just an example anyway. Ebay allows you to block a bidder simply if you don't want to do business with them, there are on prerequisites. It's like a merchant having a sign in his establishment saying, We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone".

I personally wouldn't have blocked him from bidding on my auctions in the future, but I suppose the really important thing is that you were able to resolve the problem when it was presented to you. And you're right to compare it to having a sign that says that, because there really is no difference between that and simply barring someone from bidding on your auction.

Yeah I see your point linguist, and that is also why I had asked Oldbuddy if he had any proof as how he came up to such a conclusion.
Thank you for commenting my answer and I will put on hold any change to my site until further information
What you are saying does make sense ... I will just wait for more comments

You need to do what you feel is right for you. I think everyone should. And I too would like to see the proof Old Buddy has. Not articles written by other people on the Internet, but financial type statements or things of that nature.

I am a pretty good writer and I can get on the Internet and write anything I want. Ain't gonna make it tru though.

Thats why I am a huge believer in proof of payment on my own sites and why I always ask others to provide proof as well.

I agree with you. I do not feel they are scams, I have signed up for several offers,and several of them I have continued if I liked the product. Your post has expressed my sentimesnts very well. One additional thought I see no way you can compare this to a group of pickpockets running around the London streets.

I am a member of Cash Crate, and I have made $9.55 so far. I have actually gotten a few things from some of those offers. I have another site I am paid to post on, one that pays me weekly and considerably more than here. It's the same theory. These people are paying to make it look like their forum has traffic. I post my required number and no more. However, I will say that I have found one forum that I will go to regardless of getting paid or not.

Your analogy about the free samples in the grocery store is a good one, but I don't see people going down to the homeless shelters and busing hundreds of out of work derelicts in to walk through the store and grab all the samples either.

But again--you neglect to look at my argument about web traffic. The more hits a site gets, the more it can charge for advertising. And that is how much of the online business is making money.

And you use the same tactics you accuse these sites of using. I read your blog that talks about maximizing MyLot profits. Hmm. MyLot is also paid by advertisers (Google Adsense for example).

You are telling people how they can get more of the advertising money MyLot is paid. But I didn't see anything in your blog saying we should all help support MyLot by clicking on the Google Adsense ads or what ever ads we might encounter on this site, to help MyLot make money.

Also--could you please provide some proof to show this is hurting companies? Financial statements? Profit/Loss from one of these advertising campaigns?

And you also neglected to consider one of the other things I said--that many of these surveys are for the purposes of collecting information like demographics.

The Marketing Directors behind these campaigns are not stupid. They know that people are just doing offers to make money in a lot of cases, but they also know Internet traffic is invaluable.

If you owned a billboard, would you want it on a back country road, or would you shell out a few more bucks to put it on a busy highway. GPT sites are allowing some of us to make legitimate money while allowing advertisers to get more traffic/create busier electronic highways.

And if you truly queried GPT users like I have, you'd find that most of us make money where Trial Periods are not involved. Most of us might do one or two trials at a time, but really make our money on surveys, or where an advertiser is asking for some type of demographic data. Or where an advertiser is asking us to join another survey site and give it a try.

I've communicated with thousands of GPT users. How many have you communicated with, and again.....
Can you please provide us with some concrete proof to back up your supposition? If you are going to call something a scam, I am going to ask you to prove it.

First of all, I have made comments about clicking the ads that interest you and do it myself. I have bought many items from Ebay from the ads I see here on myLot myself.

Secondly, you seem to think I am passing judgment on the actual paid to members, I said up front they are not the guilty ones here. It's the websites like TT and CC that I think are the crooks, raking off profits from the members just like Fagin did in Oliver Twist.

Finally, I don't need proof to have a discussion. This is not a court of law, just something I think people should consider before they lower themselves it a level they may not be proud of if they understood what they were doing. If you participate and don't take part in the thievery, you are still associating yourself with them.

So you can be jidge and jury and condem sites on the Internet and offer no proof? Guess that makes you a better person them me.

I could never attack something without offering proof.

You contradict yourself. You write above: "you seem to think I am passing judgment on the actual paid to members, I said up front they are not the guilty ones here."

But in another post below you write: "You can justify whatever you feel like to protect your ill gotten gains and I'm sure my 'Star' will suffer from this, but I think people should know the other side before they lower their morals to stealing."


Sounds like you are passing judgement on members to me.

I am only discussing the issue, I don't need proof unless it goes to court. I don't condemn you if you want to make your money this way, that's your choice. I just have an opinion like you do and this is the place to air it out.

So it is ok for you to insult people and the way they make money without any proof. I won't argue this point any more. I am just saying I could never do what you are doing without having proof.

Also, I noticed you did not discuss how you contradicted
yourself above.

I don't pass judgment because this is NOT a Court of Law like I said. It is simply a discussion of OPINIONS and as such needs no proof or justification. If someone doesn't think it's stealing, then there is no contridiction at all. I happen to think it's wrong, but that's only my opinion.

The contradiction is that you said you were not passing judgement about the people using these sites and then you made derogatory remarks about people who use these sites.

And I still say I'm not passing judgment, I'm not a judge and have no authority to do so. I am simply expressing an opinion and you wouldn't give it a second look if it didn't hit you right in the bread basket. I saw your checks and I now why you are so adamant about this.

The only thing I think buddy is when people see "scam" they obviously think they shouldn't join it that it doesn't pay etc. Now if I weren't a member and I didn't know they were a legit company/program and all I seen was the topic of your conversation I would not have joined those websites, I don't always have alot of time to search and chat on mylot because I have my own store and I sell on ebay, if I weren't to read this full discussion and would have just seen the subject I would not have joined therefore it is putting down a program to ones beliefs. If it were really a scam they wouldn't pay people but they do pay people. Just my opinion.

And a lot of their members are claiming to be making $200 to $500 a month. How can they do that without ripping someone off???

I'm not ripping anyone off. In fact, I am a firm believer against it. That is why I insist on showing proof of payment on my blogs, etc. And if someone tells me about another GPT program that I do not belong to, I always ask to see proof that it pays.

I don't think it is right for you to attack a means of making money that so many people use, while at the same time, writing a blog that tells people how to exploit MyLot earnings.

Believe me I do understand how many people do this to make money, that's why I posted this discussion. It's not a stamp on anyone's forehead, just a discussion. If you want to continue, have fun.

I sure haven't noticed anywhere that I teach people to exploit myLot at all. If you think using the links they allow us to have on our profile to promote something that can pay us is exploitation, I don't see it. That is my main point to that Blog.

Old Buddy--You wrote: "If you think using the links they allow us to have on our profile to promote something that can pay us is exploitation, I don't see it. That is my main point to that Blog."

My point exactly. "If you think using the links advertisers and GPT sites allow us to have to promote something that can pay us is exploitation, I don't see it.


As for this being fun--how many people do you think enjoy being told they are lowering their morals, are dishonest, are thieves? Maybe it is fun for you passing judgement when you offer absolutely no proof. Maybe it is fun for you to put others down.

I know this is not a court of law, but if you are going to slander webites, people, etc.--I don't think it is wrong for me to ask you for some proof to back up your argument.

As you have not offered any proof, I am assuming you don't have any.

I have all the proof I need to base my opinion on, I became a member and SAW first hand what they do. Then I QUIT because I couldn't accept it and now I am talking about it which is the purpose of a discussion forum.

Why won't you comment on the benefits this gives the advertiser like increaed website traffic, demographic data, etc. Seems you are more interested in sticking to your guns then addressing some valid points that I and others have brought up in this discussion.

I also see first hand because I communicate with many other members? Did you?

And I guess we are just different people. I can't insult someone or something without having proof to back it up.

I am a huge believer in proof and thats why I proudly display it on my websites for all to see.

That makes it quite clear why you are arguing so strongly.

But I am unclear why you won't even acknowledge all of the advertising benefits I have pointed out several times, such as gathering demographic data, the benefits of increased website traffic, etc.?

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I didn't say they were scamming the members, it's an organized assault against advertisers that makes it a scam. I would bet that many advertisers have cut them off, but they joust go find new suckers and that's how they keep it going. It still doesn't make it right.

Your argument is so off base here. An assualt against advertisers???

Advertisers are willingly approaching GPT sites. You act like advertisers are being forced into this.

They are not. They could willingly pull their advertising dollars away if this were not profitable to them.

So are you saying someone is forcing advertisers to do business with GPT sites? If so, who is forcing them? How are they being forced?

Are you trying to tell me that CC and TT don't SEEK OUT affiliate deals they can exploit?

so who else is just as bad O r good depending on your point if view as Traesyretrooper and Cashcrate/

SO is it because TT and CC have never banned anyone. Who else has never banned anyone. I see people getting banned all over the place at other GPT sites like TT and CC. So are they cool?

Thanx,Kenny

As long as you "play" by the rules/guidlines of a site or offer and they do what they say they will do if you do so, how can it be a scam? If you honeslty do what it asks or requires of you and they pay you the "agreed" amount, where is the problem? If the offer is not playing by the rules on their end, that is not your fault. You can only be responsible for what you do, not what others do.