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myLot reputation of 75/100. dragonryder (3572) 5 years ago

"In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person's becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American...There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people."

Theodore Roosevelt 1907

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Do you think that such a view on immigrants that came to the United States back then was appropriate, when this country was young? Why or why not? Are your views still the same in this day and age? Why or why not?

I believe in what this country's traditions were then and I feel that they have been pushed to the wayside because of political correctness and fear of being deemed a racist. This country has certainly been through a lot of bad situations, including the treatment of the Native Americans, the use of slaves, segregation, and so much more. Though this country is and always will be far from perfect, I feel that the need to have a public standard in this country where certain traditions are concerned is vital to this country remaining a melting pot. Too many people believe that a melting pot is something where there are many different "ingredients" and no or very little conforming or assimilating. A melting pot is actually a variety of "ingredients" blended together to form a unified result. That should mean one language, one flag, one loyalty. There are certain places that practicing your own religion, language and traditions is appropriate, and public places such as stores and schools are not included. The increase of so many languages and traditions in this country is becoming so overwhelming that it's difficult for the average citizen to be able to be productive in society unless they have knowledge of the variety of languages and traditions. This country needs to get back to basics. To live in America means to be an American, not African-American,not Mexican-American,not Japanese-American,not Irish-American,not Italian-American,etc. We all need to speak, read and write one unified language in a public essence. God and Christianity needs to be revived as the basis of religion. These are my feelings on the situation involving immigrants and the condition of this country.

 

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1. myLot reputation of 89/100. soccermom (1810)   ranked 248 out of 3,986 in politics   5 years ago

I read this quote by Roosevelt not too long ago and wondered "what happened?" Our country has totally lost it when it comes to immigration. The amount of illegals here sucking our resources dry is staggering, and the powers that be talk of "fixing" the problem, yet nothing appears to be being done. I believe in America as a melting pot, but I also believe that you should know English to be here. It was a sad day when my boss told me i needed to learn Spanish to be able to communicate with Hispanic clients. I told him no way was I going back to school to accomodate people in an English speaking country, our agency is in Illinois, not Mexico City, and if they want to be here they should accomodate us. He wasn't happy, but I didn't have to take that class. Good discussion, there's nothing you said that I could've said better.


myLot reputation of 75/100. dragonryder (3572)  5 years ago

This quote has become very popular in light of the immigration situation. It is a quote that should be displayed everywhere possible. Granted this country was built the wrong way, taking things away from the Native American Indians, and then fighting with England...the country who began the founding process of this land. Regardless of the wrongdoings, a country was founded, with laws and traditions. As each century goes by more and more of those laws and traditions are changed to suit the needs of government and big business mainly before the citizens. What you had to endure at your place of employement will become more and more widespread unless the proper person is elected president. I have been following a man by the name of Tom Tancredo who is a republican congressman in Colorado. He is now running for president. His views on many,many issues over the course of several years has been steadfast. Especially on the issue of illegal immigration and immigration in general. He does not change his standpoint with the change of the wind. He will speak from his heart and gut rather than read from a piece of paper on most occasions. He has the traditions of this country and it's citizens in his heart. Please check him out:
http://www.tancredo.house.gov/default.aspx

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2. myLot reputation of 98/100. lonewolfnan (2839)   5 years ago

I am Canadian.So my view on this subject are slanted towards a Canadian view.I thought when someone decided to immigrate to a new country,it was to leave the old country behind.It would seem then that they would want to fit into their new country.Maybe it is time to look at the reason WHY people come to US and then do what they can to stand out(in a negative way).The US is a country of possibilities.I thought it would be a blessing to be allowed to live there.But some come in illegally and start trying to undermine the country.And some legally enter the country but also try to undermine it.Instead of just allowing immigrants to enter based on whether they can afford it or on allowing only a certain number of refugees per country,maybe they should become more selective and do a little research into the past of the immigrant?


myLot reputation of 75/100. dragonryder (3572)  5 years ago

Wow Lone, that was an amazing summary of your feelings, thoughts, and the situation. You are so very correct about the people who come to the U.S., or most any country for that matter, and don't want to fit in but instead stand out in a negative way. The undermining of any country is a sad state of affairs. In the town of ten thousand people we live in there has been a dramatic increase of racial tension in work places, schools, and even churches. The reason is because there are a lot of foreign people who want to wave the flags of their homeland country, demand a certain language be spoken and displayed, and flat our disrespect the laws and traditions. I think your idea of researching anyone who wants to come to any given country to try and determine if they would be an asset and if they would be loyal is a fantastic idea. Now if it could only be implemented.

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3. myLot reputation of 98/100. raydene (5491)   5 years ago

That was 100 years ago.We USA as a young country stold the culture or should I say tried to stomp the culture of our own native people away to be replace by something else.
We are so much richer for the differences of the peoples of America.
I think a country has to have loyality from it's people but loyality doesn't mean to be disloyal to the country of their origin.
I do think it would be good for all here to speak the same language .My parent and grandparent did but my husbands Italian Grandparents never did speak fluently.They were hard working business people that had one child that became the mayor of our town and the other 3 were people that helped build alot of this town.
I think we have to think about our origin...
These people from other countries came here...kicked around the locals...took their lands...fought with other people from other countries...Then finally deciding that we would fight with the country who finally won to be independant...A brand new country!Isn't it a bit hyprocritical to say no more after immigrants built the country in the first place....
I don't know what the answer is.Our country is getting soft and too fat...maybe we need new blood..
I consider myself a citizen of the world as much as an American..
I hope I haven't offended you...you did ask for opinions and this is my honest one.
The problems of this country is alot bigger then immigrantion.


myLot reputation of 75/100. dragonryder (3572)  5 years ago

No you certainly did not offend me. Opinions are part of what makes us individual. I agree with a lot of your viewpoints and feelings. I also don't agree with the way this country was founded. It is a shame that what happened involving the Native American Indians happened. And if that wasn't enough, then there was the war with England for independance. And of course the civil war. This country has suffered greatly and yes has a lot of hypocrisy. I will never argue with that. I also don't deny that everyone should be able to remember the place they come from, but not in a manner that is thrust into society as a whole. I too believe that this country is richer because of all of the cultural differences, but there has to be a boundary as to how far reaching into society these differences extend. I don't think anyone is saying "no more immigrants". I think the immigrants into this country need to be able to benefit this country, not hurt it. There are enough citizens already who bring this country down, which is sad, but to allow more people to come here and drag it down more is not going to help anyone. Yes our country is getting too fat and soft. I am not sure what you mean by needing new blood though. If you are referring to the vast number of people from Mexico, then I don't agree. That is a whole other subject though. I believe you are right that the problems with this country are a lot bigger than immigration. Our government is a mess, the health care system, welfare system, and so much more. That doesn't mean that the problem with immigration, especially the illegals, should just be swept under the rug. Thanks for your viewpoint on this.

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4. myLot reputation of 99/100. blackbriar (6633)   5 years ago

I don't mind immigrants in the US BUT they need to not only learn the English language but speak it clearly so I can understand them. They can speak their native tongue all they want to their family and friends but please speak English otherwise. I'm tired of going to the store and finding signs in Spanish when this is an English-speaking country. They want to know what they are buying, learn English, simple as that. If not, then go back to your country. I'm also tired of hearing/reading about ppl not wanting GOD spoken in our schools or prayers or anything. I may not practice/preach the Catholic religion but I sure would like to pray whereever I want to without being degraded by ppl who don't like it. I also want GOD on our money and on anything else HE should be on.


myLot reputation of 75/100. dragonryder (3572)  5 years ago

Great viewpoints and I whole heartedly agree with you.

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5. myLot reputation of 95/100. estherlou (3838)   ranked 27 out of 3,986 in politics   5 years ago

Well said! Roosevelt's speech could have been said by someone today! The problems are still relevant. I feel everything he said is true. If you want to live here and become a citizen...you should embrace our culture and language as your own.


myLot reputation of 75/100. dragonryder (3572)  5 years ago

I think that the man my wife and I are going to vote for in the 2008 presidential election has quoted this speech by Theodore Roosevelt. There are just way too many languages and traditions being thrown around publicly anymore. Christmas is being taken away or at least frowned upon/censored for the political correctness of all of the new "holiday" traditions now abundant in the U.S. English as a spoken, written and read language is being frowned upon and anyone who doesn't know or won't learn a language other than English is viewed as lazy, stupid, scared or even racist. What will be next? Easter being done away with, or better yet, the 4th of July? How about American money in Spanish? When will it stop? Thank you for your reply.

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6. myLot reputation of 98/100. emeraldisle (8959)   5 years ago

I have read these words a few times and I agree with Teddy Roosevelt on them. This country was founded by immigrants, we were founded by people coming here and then working together to make this country great. That is what has been lost. Not the cultural differences but the ability to meld together and working to make the best for our country. At one time when people came here they wanted to be here, they wanted to make their lives better and thought that the USA would do that for them. They came with the intention of becoming citizens, of adapting to the country and to merging in with society. That doesn't happen today. Many come here and do not want to adapt. They want us to adapt to them. To speak their langauge, to make allowances for them, and to give them what ever they want. They come and complain about this country. They knock it down and belittle it and it's people while still demanding that we accomadate them. My thought is if you come here you must want what this country is if not don't come.

I agree we need to go back to some basics. We need to speak one language. We need to be Americans and leave all the enthic names off it especially when it comes to people who were born here.

To be honest I think relgion is a part of a person and not the nation. That is my view point. Church and State are separate and should remain so. I think that is part of the problem in the last hundred years is we have allowed religion to move into the laws and legal system. We've allowed made it an issue when it shouldn't be. Religion, faith, beliefs or whatever you may call them should be a personal issue and not one for the government to deal with.


myLot reputation of 75/100. dragonryder (3572)  5 years ago

I agree with you about the religious aspect of this situation. I am not saying I believe that this whole country should practice Christianity. I am talking more about the longstanding traditions to do with Christmas being censored and all of these other country's holiday traditions being publicly thrown about. It's a shame that everyone's traditions can't be honored without censorship but that is how it seems it is. Christmas is a tradition of this country that has been long standing. As for religion being incorporated with the law/government, I don't completely agree with that either. It's a sticky situation.

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7. myLot reputation of 97/100. AskAlly (2978)   ranked 1,216 out of 3,986 in politics   5 years ago

Our countries are still young compared to the history of some European and Asian cultures. What gets me is that most of us are still 1rst, 2nd or 3rd generation immigrants. Yes, some of you Americans came over on the Mayflower, but my point is that countless immigrants have come across the pond to North America eager and willing to become Canadian or American citizens.

They came steerage for petes sake. Some nearly starving before reaching our blessed countries. My grandmother tells the story of how when she first came over from Holland, the families main goal was to learn to speak English. She and her mother and sisters went to a restaraunt and asked for a lemonade on a hot summer day. The new immigrant owners misunderstood and brought out "ham&eggs", so much for the language barrier.

As more and more families moved into the area after the First and Second World Wars. English and becoming a Canadian was first and foremost in their minds. Our area was heavily populated by the Dutch, but the English language was taught by those who had been here the longest. School was taught in English, Business was conducted in English, Church was in English.

I don't think that anyone has to forsake thier religion, but When in Rome......!

Tradition is being upheld for the wrong reasons. Why can't my husband wear a cowboy hat if he joined the Royal Canadian Mounted Police? The RCMP is a Canadian tradition. But no longer! Now it seems that if religion is involved you can wear cerimonial head dress and still be called a mountie. I know some folks will disagree with me here, but WHY did we have to give up OUR tradition?

Being an immigrant and being allowed to live in either of our countries is no longer seen as a priviledge.

I should quit while I am ahead since I get fairly vocal on this subject.

I'm tired of political correctness. My family knuckled under and left the wooden shoes in Holland and assimilated very well. I am proud to be a Canadian.


myLot reputation of 75/100. dragonryder (3572)  5 years ago

I certainly don't disagree with you about traditions. That is crazy about the hat issue with the RCMP. There is nothing wrong with getting vocal. This is a subject in almost every country nowadays that needs to be vocalized. Keep up the good fight!

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8. myLot reputation of 99/100. ElicBxn (24692)   5 years ago

I would agree, mostly. I do have an issue with the "Christianity" being the basis of religion since the Jewish religion was here almost as early as the other. Of the 13 colonies, only one was open to non persicution of jews & catholics - Maryland.

I think that the "Golden Rule" and the "Freedom of Religion" is really more important. I've got friends from many faiths, a good person can be from any of them. I have certainly meet bad "Christians" in fact, more of them, because they are so self-rightous & more populous here in the states.


myLot reputation of 75/100. dragonryder (3572)  5 years ago

I agree with you about religion to an extent. My point was that the U.S. was founded on Christianity. I don't believe in persecution. The issue at hand here is more about immigrants not adapting to the country they are coming to.

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9. myLot reputation of 84/100. phon4u (1884)   5 years ago

From my point of view, when we are in Rome do as Rome do,
My families are Lao, they immigrated to the different countries around the world such as U.S,Canada,France, Switzerland, Holland, Germany. They changed their nationalities to those countries, they do follow as those government's speech and the countries' regulation,but they still keep their traditional for their ancestors. People can't forge to change into another religion when they don't want.


myLot reputation of 75/100. dragonryder (3572)  5 years ago

I commend you and your families for adapting to and respecting the speech and laws of the country they immigrated to. As for the religion, this discussion isn't about religion in a wide focus. It is about adapting to the traditions of the country, respecting the country. I do agree that traditions should be upheld within the family and I don't believe anyone should have to follow a certain religion by being forced. My mention of religion was because of the controversy surrounding Christmas and how it's been censored lately in the U.S.

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10. myLot reputation of 89/100. callarse1 (3214)   ranked 1,277 out of 3,986 in politics   5 years ago

I read that quote and I think that is basically what people want this country to be. However I think other countries will tell you that there are many battles to overcome. For example, the people that come here and do not become citizens but do not speak English well. I would like to see us speak one language, and become united. However I think there are some challanges we face. I think it is nice to see other languages here in USA because the world is more than English. Have a nice day.

Pablo


myLot reputation of 75/100. dragonryder (3572)  5 years ago

I agree that it is nice to have other languages too but it can't be on a widespread public basis. Things just become too confusing. Thanks for the reply.

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