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By LIBBY QUAID
AP Education Writer
 
3 months ago

WASHINGTON (AP) - Students beware: The summer vacation you just enjoyed could be sharply curtailed if President Barack Obama gets his way.


Obama says American kids spend too little time in school, putting them at a disadvantage with other students around the globe.


"Now, I know longer school days and school years are not wildly popular ideas," the president said earlier this year. "Not with Malia and Sasha, not in my family, and probably not in yours. But the challenges of a new century demand more time in the classroom."


The president, who has a sixth-grader and a third-grader, wants schools to add time to classes, to stay open late and to let kids in on weekends so they have a safe place to go.


"Our school calendar is based upon the agrarian economy and not too many of our kids are working the fields today," Education Secretary Arne Duncan said in a recent interview with The Associated Press.


Fifth-grader Nakany Camara is of two minds. She likes the four-week summer program at her school, Brookhaven Elementary School in Rockville, Md. Nakany enjoys seeing her friends there and thinks summer school helped boost her grades from two Cs to the honor roll.


But she doesn't want a longer school day. "I would walk straight out the door," she said.


Domonique Toombs felt the same way when she learned she would stay for an extra three hours each day in sixth grade at Boston's Clarence R. Edwards Middle School.


"I was like, `Wow, are you serious?'" she said. "That's three more hours I won't be able to chill with my friends after school."


Her school is part of a 3-year-old state initiative to add 300 hours of school time in nearly two dozen schools. Early results are positive. Even reluctant Domonique, who just started ninth grade, feels differently now. "I've learned a lot," she said.


Does Obama want every kid to do these things? School until dinnertime? Summer school? And what about the idea that kids today are overscheduled and need more time to play?


 

Obama and Duncan say kids in the United States need more school because kids in other nations have more school.

"Young people in other countries are going to school 25, 30 percent longer than our students here," Duncan told the AP. "I want to just level the playing field."

While it is true that kids in many other countries have more school days, it's not true they all spend more time in school.

Kids in the U.S. spend more hours in school (1,146 instructional hours per year) than do kids in the Asian countries that persistently outscore the U.S. on math and science tests _ Singapore (903), Taiwan (1,050), Japan (1,005) and Hong Kong (1,013). That is despite the fact that Taiwan, Japan and Hong Kong have longer school years (190 to 201 days) than does the U.S. (180 days).

 

Regardless, there is a strong case for adding time to the school day.

Researcher Tom Loveless of the Brookings Institution looked at math scores in countries that added math instruction time. Scores rose significantly, especially in countries that added minutes to the day, rather than days to the year.

"Ten minutes sounds trivial to a school day, but don't forget, these math periods in the U.S. average 45 minutes," Loveless said. "Percentage-wise, that's a pretty healthy increase."

In the U.S., there are many examples of gains when time is added to the school day.

Charter schools are known for having longer school days or weeks or years. For example, kids in the KIPP network of 82 charter schools across the country go to school from 7:30 a.m. to 5 p.m., more than three hours longer than the typical day. They go to school every other Saturday and for three weeks in the summer. KIPP eighth-grade classes exceed their school district averages on state tests.

In Massachusetts' expanded learning time initiative, early results indicate that kids in some schools do better on state tests than do kids at regular public schools. The extra time, which schools can add as hours or days, is for three things: core academics _ kids struggling in English, for example, get an extra English class; more time for teachers; and enrichment time for kids.

Regular public schools are adding time, too, though it is optional and not usually part of the regular school day. Their calendar is pretty much set in stone. Most states set the minimum number of school days at 180 days, though a few require 175 to 179 days.

Several schools are going year-round by shortening summer vacation and lengthening other breaks.

Many schools are going beyond the traditional summer school model, in which schools give remedial help to kids who flunked or fell behind.

Summer is a crucial time for kids, especially poorer kids, because poverty is linked to problems that interfere with learning, such as hunger and less involvement by their parents.

That makes poor children almost totally dependent on their learning experience at school, said Karl Alexander, a sociology professor at Baltimore's Johns Hopkins University, home of the National Center for Summer Learning.

Disadvantaged kids, on the whole, make no progress in the summer, Alexander said. Some studies suggest they actually fall back. Wealthier kids have parents who read to them, have strong language skills and go to great lengths to give them learning opportunities such as computers, summer camp, vacations, music lessons, or playing on sports teams.

"If your parents are high school dropouts with low literacy levels and reading for pleasure is not hard-wired, it's hard to be a good role model for your children, even if you really want to be," Alexander said.

Extra time is not cheap. The Massachusetts program costs an extra $1,300 per student, or 12 percent to 15 percent more than regular per-student spending, said Jennifer Davis, a founder of the program. It received more than $17.5 million from the state Legislature last year.

The Montgomery County, Md., summer program, which includes Brookhaven, received $1.6 million in federal stimulus dollars to operate this year and next, but it runs for only 20 days.

Aside from improving academic performance, Education Secretary Duncan has a vision of schools as the heart of the community. Duncan, who was Chicago's schools chief, grew up studying alongside poor kids on the city's South Side as part of the tutoring program his mother still runs.

"Those hours from 3 o'clock to 7 o'clock are times of high anxiety for parents," Duncan said. "They want their children safe. Families are working one and two and three jobs now to make ends meet and to keep food on the table."

 

Associated Press writer Russell Contreras in Boston contributed to this report.

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tags:  school, more school, education, obama, united states
 
1. myLot reputation of 86/100. echomonster (2794)   3 months ago

Maybe more school should be an option for all parents who can't supervise their kids after school, but I'm not so sure it would be beneficial across the board. Kids do need to play and, ultimately, they need to learn to study on their own also. It's hard to survive in higher education if you're not self-motivated to learn, and your ability to learn new things outside the classroom throughout your life depends on self-motivation and a love for learning. My mom's encouraging me to be a reader did more to make me a lifetime learner than school did...but of course that doesn't mean teachers can't motivate their kids to be lifetime learners as well. I'm just not convinced more school is the answer.

 
2. myLot reputation of 29/100. lilnono (184)   3 months ago

I do think the current model is outdated. I don't know if more school will have a significant effect on achievement but it will help out a lot of parents who need child care. It's kind of ironic that I'm reading this . In my state they are actually having less school due to budget cuts. They are going to start giving kids Fridays off. Obama has a tough road ahead of him.

 
3. brandykae (9)   3 months ago

Oh I agree with the longer school time. I think kids need to have more class time as well. The summer break is great for the younger kids but for high school it does not make scents to me. I know we need them to be kids however they will not have a summer break once they enter the work force. I feel that we would have a more educated society. There has to be a equal balance between the two.

 
4. myLot reputation of 94/100. harmonee (657)   3 months ago

I went to year around school when I was growing up and did the same thing in college - not taking a break at summer. It was cool. I retained more information and I think it was easier on my parents because they didn't have to find things for me to do during the 3 months that every one else was out for summer. We still got 3 or 4 day weekends sometimes and we got 2 weeks off for spring break so the family could go on vacation. As a new parent I know I will be trying to find ways for my son to learn things while he is not in school. A longer year will take care of a lot of that for me.

 
5. mikes197131 (8)   3 months ago

I don't like the idea of more school for kids. Even in the article it stated that kids in the U.S. are in school more hours than the Asian countries that fare better than us at math and science. I understand that school is important, but aren't there other ways to help our kids score better academically? What about figuring out better ways to teach the kids? Some kids learn better with hands on learning, others are better learning from books. Teaching methods should be updated to cater better to our children. I really enjoy the time during the summer that I spend with my kids, I really don't want to lose those times. I just think there are better ways of educating kids, I really think it's unfair that the kids would have longer days at school, than the average person spends at work.

 
6. myLot reputation of 97/100. deebomb (8980)   3 months ago

As I read this our kids already spend more time in school than any other country. Maybe it's not more time that is needed but better instructions in the class rooms and more focus on real subjects rather than class enrichment. Also there is the time spent on buses and the safety factor. Kids have to be at bus stops before daylight and after dark in some areas. besides I thought that the schools were managed by education boards in the school district. More intrusion by big government. I agree that something needs to be done to improve the schools but it should be done locally not by the government.

 
7. myLot reputation of 91/100. speakeasy (1427)   3 months ago

A lot of schools around the country have gone to all year schooling and it does make an improvement because the students don't have as long a summer break to forget a the things they learned.

But, they still go to school the same number of days and the same hours.

Small children would especially have problems with a school day that was 3 hours longer; many of them have problems concentrating and behaving for a regular length school day.

And, if they are in school more hours, when are they supposed to find time to do homework? When my son was still in school, there were a lot of times when he would come home with 2 - 3 hours worth of homework. He would get up in the morning, go to school, start his homework, take a break to eat his supper, finish his homework and then get ready for bed. He would get up the next day and repeat.


myLot reputation of 91/100. speakeasy (1427)  3 months ago

That type of a schedule would be tough on an adult let alone a child! There were times my son hated school because he didn't even have time for extracurricular activities or just time to be a kid.

 
8. myLot reputation of 78/100. coolcoder (1484)   3 months ago

All I have to say is: Thank God I'm not in elementary, middle, or high school right now. First it was mandatory uniforms, now it might be more school? When will these kids be able to get play time in? Will Sasha and Malia have to live by what their dad's proposing? Inquiring minds want to know.

If I ever have children, they are so going to be home-schooled.

 
9. myLot reputation of 90/100. KMPierce (117)   3 months ago

This absolutely insane!!! I do agree that kids have too much time off, but this is not the answer. Why can't they go to year round school.... six weeks of school and two weeks off-- year round. I did this when I was a kid, in California and it worked out great. I don't think pushing our kids to have an adult schedule is the answer. Our kids need to be kids and have time for fun and family time. If you push our kids to have more hours at school you are doing away with family time. This is so wrong and heading in the wrong the direction. Adding to pressure, for our kids, isn't the way to make them smarter.

 
10. myLot reputation of 93/100. rmorefield (783)   3 months ago

I don't think that we need to reform the school structure. We don't need to add hours to the day OR days to the school year. What would it actually accomplish if we added hours to the day? My children already come home with about 2 hours worth of homework. On Wednesday nights, they go to church. I will not give that up so that they can spend more time in a public school that takes away from their religious enrichment. My oldest daughter is working on a basketball scholarship, so that she can go to college. (She's also working on an academic scholarship. She has a 4.0) My oldest son plays basketball, football, and baseball. If more hours were spent in school every day, they would not be able to do this. Basketball means everything to my daughter. She wants to play through college before she goes to med school. I can't take that away from her. She has earned it. I cherish what little time I get to spend with them in the evenings and during the summer. If they went to school all summer, there would be no family vacation. I wouldn't be able to take them out of school for a week because they would be held back in the same grade, thus ruining their chances at a good college. My mom works as a special ed teacher in the high school. I hear her stories every day....not about the students, but about the teachers. I think that what needs to be done is not reform of the school hours, but reform of the teachers. They, for the most part, have lost their edge. Most of them no longer care about the kids, because their spirits have been broken. Too many of them are taking pay cuts or losing their jobs entirely. We need to appreciate them more. If we did, I think that they would be able to give our children the education that they deserve. We also need to take more time for our kids (if possible). As parents, we play a huge part in our children's education. More of us need to step up to the plate.

 
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