A San Diego elementary school allowed Muslim prayer time

@estherlou (5017)
United States
July 3, 2007 11:23am CST
They are now embroiled in a controversy and conservative talk radio is having a field day. If they had allowed Christians to pray during the day, the ACLU would have been up in arms! http://www.arcamax.com/newsheadlines/s-209035-960292
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• United States
3 Jul 07
just another case ovf political correctness the heck with our own peoples beliefs we just must give the muslims what they want !if I lived there is sure sue
@budsr03 (2354)
• Canada
4 Jul 07
Here in Canada we used to say the Lords' Prayer in school, but that was taken away because it could offend. What crap! I say if you want to be Canadian adapt to us not the other way around. I'm sure the countries some of you people come from wouldn't allow me my freedoms,so i would have to adapt and accept your customs. Take care Estherlou.
@RobinJ (2501)
• Canada
4 Jul 07
There is more to this than saying the lords prayer, and our country was founded because in other countries their beliefs were trampled on, and we opened the door and rightfully welcomed them, Not every person who used to live in Canada were Christian, but we did respect each other enough to be tolerant of each others beliefs. Now it seems it is believe as I do or get the heck out. Which in my opinion makes us as bad as every one else.
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@budsr03 (2354)
• Canada
5 Jul 07
For me it's not believe as i do, it's let me believe what i believe and don't take it away from me! I don't just say this for Canada, every country used to have an identity.
@Lindalinda (4112)
• Canada
3 Jul 07
No, this is going too far. There is supposed to be a separation between church and state. I don't know about the US but here in Canada morning prayers are not allowed in schools anymore, except in Catholic Shools even though this is a Christian country where the muslim population is only about 1.5 percent. If these prayer breaks are allowed it will set the students apart from mainstream society, stops them from integrating and allow them in later life to form complete muslim parallel communities as they already exist in the UK. Those communities do not integrate, they form their own infrastructure as far as goods and services are concerned and eventually want islamic laws to govern their community.Increasingly women in those islamic communit We had a case here in Ontario where the Islamic community wanted to implement Sharia law in family disputes and custody cases instead of going through family court. The premier of Ontario had to step in, new pprovisions in the law had to be made that no mediations of this kind would be binding. I feel very sad that so many muslims want to come to the West and then demand rights which we would never get in muslim countries.
@RobinJ (2501)
• Canada
4 Jul 07
I am sorry I do not see the problem here.I know that in Canada and here in the town I live there are several Christian schools. and I would be willing to bet anything they have prayer time as well as Christian religion and beliefs taught. You can not stop people from practicing their beliefs, I believe that the Roman Catholic Church found that out quite some time ago when they stopped burning heretics at the stake. Sounds to me some people want to bring back that particular custom. You can pass laws, all you want but you can never stop a person from believing what they want.And making a person go underground to practice their beliefs, and taking away their right to believe is never never going to work. Also I have a belief that some people state their faith, while others live it. those that state their faith follow, and those that live it are willing to die for it.
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@estherlou (5017)
• United States
4 Jul 07
The point of the article was, in our public schools no one can even mention christianity or Jesus without being really careful. There have been many lawsuits on behalf of kids just trying to carry a Bible to school, or wear a t-shirt talking about their beliefs...that kind of thing. Public prayer has been taken out of the schools. Personal prayer is supposed to be okay. This is making time for muslims to stop during the day and pray...something they don't allow anyone else to do.
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@RobinJ (2501)
• Canada
4 Jul 07
Sorry I admit I am not familiar with Schools in the states, but again my thinking is you can try to take god away from the people, , but you can not take people away from God. I have seen news stories that say they want any religious artifact removed from every public place. I know it is an old joke but I think this is down right foolish, court, school or places of learning. should be open minded rather than closed to all, as it appears to now be the practice. People will live their beliefs no matter what. I believe our countries were founded on that principal. the freedom of religion for every one not just some and not others.
@MsTickle (25050)
• Australia
7 Jul 07
I thought the argument that a request to pray at a certain time of day is treated the same as a request for an insulin shot at a certain time of day. One is a health issue the other is a matter od great concern when Christian prayers are being disallowed.
@Katlady2 (9920)
• United States
6 Jul 07
No offense intended toward anyone of the Muslim beliefs, but this is America, and this being allowed is wrong. If schools are able to allow Muslim prayer during class, they should be able to allow Christian prayer...or any kind of prayer for that matter....as well. I think that whomever is making these laws and the exceptions to them needs to get their heads straightened out and make up their minds as to what they are going to stick to.
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@Eskimo (2317)
4 Jul 07
After the events last week in the U.K. it's time that the moral Christian majority started to win back a lot of things which has been lost over the years due to political correctness. Christmas is being changed to winter festival, schools are no longer allowed to have Christian Services, plus lots of other changes (a few at a time), in case that ethnic minorities are offended. What I think is that if anyone wants to live in another country then they should be willing to adapt to that countries rules and ideals, and learn to speak the language, (without necessarily completely losing their own culture and religion) if they don't wish to do that then why would they want to move to that country anyway.
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• United States
4 Jul 07
One of our rights in the USA if the right of practice any religion we want. Now if they allow other religious groups to pray then they should allow the muslims. Just because you are muslim does not mean you are against the USA or you are terriorest. I think the problem falls with the time of day they need to pray. Would the school stop class to let me pray at a certain time, if my religion demaned it I am uncertain of it. Is this reverse discrimation time will tell. We will see what other groups want to do in that school.
@Willowlady (10666)
• United States
4 Jul 07
That is why the ACLU is not the organization it claims to be. They should be ignored alot by now but somehow are not. All relgion should be allowed and discussed. The right thing would come out in the end if only given the chance. We are all more alike than we normally admit. Will be neat to see how this eventually turns out.
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@gewcew23 (8010)
• United States
3 Jul 07
San Diego has been the site of a lot of controversy on religion in the public. San Diego is the city that built the 75 foot War Memorial Cross. Then an atheist came along and demanded that the city after it was built to tear it down. Now San Diego is allowing its Muslim population to have special rights that its Christian population does not. But I have seen this in a lot of other cities. Koran being taught in public school. Now why do they teach the Koran because it is a historic book. But the Bible was canonized 400 years before the Koran with some of the books dating 2,000 years before the Koran. It needs to be said that there is a bible curriculum for the public school that teaches about the Bible the exact same way that the are teaching the Koran. The deal is that most schools will not put it in their curriculum because it violates the seperation of church and state. Well ok if you want to enforce seperation of church and state, then lets start enforcing the seperation of church and state. Lets stop allowing Muslims to stop praying at our public schools, witches having Wicca ceremonies, and new agers teaching children to worship Mother Earth. I would be willing to give up prayers in public schools IF the schools would become 100% secular, and none of this specific secular.
@cyntrow (8524)
• United States
3 Jul 07
Kids are legally allowed to pray during school, it just cannot be school sanctioned. My kids do it. However, I think the problem is that their religion mandates that they pray 5 times a day so the schools feel that they have to bend over backwards to allow this. Christianity has no such mandate. We pray when we feel the need. The biggest thing, however, is whether the school is announcing, "OK, please let your muslim students pray now." That would be against the law.
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@kelly60 (4548)
• United States
3 Jul 07
That's right, even though this country was built on a Christian foundation, they think that they have to take away our rights because of the complaints of others, yet they don't seem to have a problem with giving the rights they have taken from us to others instead.
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