Divination Methods
By missak
@missak (3311)
Spain
July 10, 2007 11:57am CST
There have existed divination methods in all cultures. The main definition would be a system of natural randomness between different options that the wises of that tool should interpret as responses for answers.
The simpler one would be a coin, where there are two different options that would be interpreted as YES/NO for a question. But more accurated answers needed more complex systems with higher mathematics, and complicated answer options.
Do you believe in divination methods? Do you know how to read any of them? Have you ever made someone read them for you? If yes, how was your esperience?
The basis of believing in a divination system is that things don't happen without purpose. So what is supposed to be "random", actually has some hidden message.
This kind of messages can be found in lots of resources, such as dreams, subconscient ideas, celestial bodies, popular knowledge... They are usually gathered in a serie of short stories or spells that summarize this knowledge in an easier way to recall.
In my opinion, wheather devination methods work or not, this serie of stories and spells are a great resource of examples of cultures and morals, and what is maybe more interesting, they make a popular psicologic study of the different kind of people that each society is made of.
One example of this is the I Ching (??) or Book of Changes, a complex chinese method . The book is structured as an 8x8 matrix of sixty-four hexagrams representing the states and the dynamic relationships of the eight elements, each represented by a trigram.
lol, I don't know what that means exctly but as a result there are lots of pre-made answers that have an accurate reflection of human psicologies so that anyone can feel related to the given answer. To be more exact, there are 64 answers, called hexagrams, which consist on "lines" that are a description of a state or process. Each exagram has subdivisons into "triagrams", 8 possible solutions for each one of the 64.
Onother example is the IFA, a Nigerian tool. UNESCO, the cultural and scientific education arm of the United Nations, declared Ifa a Masterpiece of the Oral and Intangible Heritage of Humanity in 2005. This one is based on 16x16 binary combinations, which means 256 solutions called Odu. Each Odu has a story related, and a sery of options of reading according to the moment. This stories are based on Orishas, spiritual entities that symbolize the different minds and ways of life of humankind, and the things that could happen to each one.
What is your knowledge about all that? Do you know about other divination systems and their value further than whether they work or not? Do you think they work?
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9 responses
@SEOGUY (906)
• United States
11 Jul 07
Man! Where do you find your topics? I need to study with you. Divination, to devine, to predect or tell the state of an object. I love all forms of devination, Though I don't beleive in all of them, many can impart another type of knowlege to you. Take the tarot for example. On the surface you have a deck of cards and each card is symbolic of situation and or person, with oppiset meanings for reverse cards. Each card is laid down in a possion of the persons life and then one can read the situation to a specific question by "seeing the person, there past that has led to this moment, influences good and bad and things that they need to beware of and finaly the outcome. But under that the cards pictures and symbles show astrological and mateial forces and how these work togethr, as well as historical meanings of myth. My favorite devenation sytem that I have read about would be that of the anciant hebrews, whos high priest wore a brest plate of colored stones with the name of God writen thereon. and the stones are said to have let up in a certain sequence to answer perticular questions. Personaly i practice one type of divenation, but it is different, It is devineing where metals are in the earth, some call it dowsing, and no I am not useing a metal detector. my methode can out do a metal detecter everytime, I can find things as small as a dime 6 feet in the ground. useing two brass rods shaped like an ell (L)try this for yourself you can even use a metal coat hanger. bend it to the shape of a capital (L) useing the smaller side as a handle hold it lossly in your hands with the long end pointing strait ou away from you. position your hands to let the two rods point paralel infront of you. now have someone hide a quarter or some coin in the ground, and walk over the ground holding the rods loosely so that they are able to swing freely, You will se that the rod will cross over each other in the form of an X when they pass over metal. dig below where they cross and you will find the coin, This is my favorite form of divenation, the kind that pays.
@missak (3311)
• Spain
11 Jul 07
lol, nice answer! I ask myself the same about you "Where do you find your answers? I have to study with you!". Althought you are more fascinated with Israel ancestors and I am fascinated with African ancestors, we both look at the same details and find similar conclusions!
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@SEOGUY (906)
• United States
11 Jul 07
I too am fasinated by Affrican liniage and religions espesialy those of western Affrica. And sense this topic is about divanation and now Africa has been introduced to the topic, one must also cosider the religion ov Voodo, Not the Holywood version of Voodo, The real one. This religion is all about divination I feel. Sacrificeing cattle to devine the outcome of the vilage that year, and if it the gods will favor them or not. I find especialy the introduction of specific drum beats to the ritcuals that summan specific spirits. Here is a religion that divination is the norm still to this day. And in some parts of the Americas like the Dominican Republic and Cuba where many of free slaves kept there reigious back ground and comingaled with Catholosism to creat Santaria. Now if I could learn another form it would be that of the southern Eurpoieans gypsies.
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@missak (3311)
• Spain
11 Jul 07
I am very interested in gypsies too, but I have no good way to research about them... I come from Cuba as you may read in other posts, and have a lot of information about Santeria and other afro-cuban religions (there are many althought people usually don't know). About voodoo I know a little, and it comes from the same west africa origins so it is very similar. Actually Ifa is more used in Cuba in Santeria than in its original Nigeria, and there are several other divination systems such as the conchs and the coconuts...
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@AnoChaudhary (1719)
• India
12 Jul 07
hey missak another of your discussions where we can all learn about a lot of things so iam going to watch this discussion with interest. But i got to tell you i dont have much to say in this b'cos i have not used divination methods myself though i liked SEOGUY's one! and the only one i know and which is very famous specially in SOuth india is the 'NAADI joshiyam' but iam not sure it would come under divination. There is a temple in south india where you just have to give your thumb impression and they will tell you almost your whole history which is written on 'palm leaves' its called 'Olay chudi' but iam not sure how acurate or not they are b'cos i have not tried it myself but my relatives who have tried find it very accurate. I beleive they can even predict your past, present and your future. It is an ancient method which was handed down by Saint Agasithya who lived about 4000 years back. The people who do the readings are directly related to him b'cos its mostly handed down from generation to generation. Its kind of a record of everyone's life. I do find it very fancinating. SO iam planning to visit this temple very soon. If i do i will let you know. But then it should be 'written' i will visit the temple if there is no 'calling' you wont be able to visit it!

@missak (3311)
• Spain
15 Jul 07
The 'NAADI joshiyam' sounds really interesting. I would for sure love to learn more about it. I want to know more about this 'palm leaves' or "how it works", and of course if you ever get to try it I would love to hear your experience! I didn't understand your last sentence but it sounded something interesting to think about...
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@saivenkaat802003 (4823)
• India
15 Jul 07
Hi Ano, If happen to see Naadi Joshiyam, Kindly check with them, whether Venkatesh will meet one day or other his mylot friend Ano,and also ask them whether u help me in earning/ rather guiding my goal of getting $1000 a month..
BTW, if u really want to see Nadi Joshiyam, which is most famous in Vathieswaran koil, in Tamilnadu, you have to go Via, my home town.(Touching my native place) Heheheheee.... No other alternative..
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@magica (3707)
• Bulgaria
12 Jul 07
Well, i value two methods: astrology and I-dzin. Both systems are different, but they have some common things.And of course the interpreter must be enough skilled and reliable. I use divination not for my daily problems, only for really very serious materies.
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@kitchenwitchoftupper (2290)
• United States
11 Jul 07
Missak, It is my belief that any form of divination "works" if the diviner is in touch with the spiritual aspect of the working. My grandmother was a tiny old woman who made magic and new magic from the earth with no formal training at all (she had a 3rd grade education). Despite this, she was a "seer". I also believe that divination is a gift that is given for good workings; but it can also be something that is learned. My preference at one time was Tarot Cards but I drifted away from them and now rely on self-induced "meditative dreamtime" instead. ~Donna
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@lecanis (16647)
• Murfreesboro, Tennessee
11 Jul 07
There are so many divination techniques that it boggles the mind even trying to think of them all! I was trying to come up with a short list in my head, and I just keep thinking of more and more.
Many of the early divination methods required sacrifice, and involved reading the entrails of the sacrifice, examining bones, doing specific things with the blood and body, etc. I'm sure there's still someone somewhere out there that does it that way, but thankfully most of us have moved on to less bloody methods.
The simplest methods of divination I can think of that are used today are the ones that work off of finding shapes and pictures in ordinary objects. This would cover things like reading tea leaves, using various oils on water, that sort of thing. There is still a system of sorts in that certain images are typically considered to mean certain outcomes, but it's more direct than the ones that use a lot of symbols.
The divination methods I could say I have the most personal experience with are: the Celtic Ogham, the Norse runes, and Tarot cards. If I had to pick just one that is the most popular divination system in use among the people I know, I would say it would be Tarot. Tarot cards have such a varied history of use from the serious to the silly, and are often seen as sport especially among teenagers.
The Ogham is the divination tactic that is closest to my own belief system, but even then its use as divination is not as ancient as other parts of my belief. The old Celts used astrology, and relied much on natural signs for divination as well (flight patterns of birds, the way plants were growing, etc). Ogham is essentially a language made up of tiny slashes that were typically left on trees or stones for other druids to see, but it's come into use as a divination form in much the same way runes are used for that.
My set of ogham stones was made for me by a very dear friend. The specific ogham marks used for divination mostly stand for trees, and thus the magical properties of the tree (which was something very important in my religion). Using the Ogham for divination involves either casting them onto a cloth and reading where they fall, or drawing them out and arranging them in a pattern (like with Tarot cards). There are also methods involving simply drawing one stone, for a yes or no type question.
The method for using them is pretty much the same as the way the Norse rune stones are typically used, and in fact much of the way modern practitioners use them was probably stolen from there. =p
I don't think there is any divination system that is really better than others, I think it merely comes down to utilizing talents that we already have anyway. All the methods are just tools. I can look into a fire and see dancing images and divine if I so choose, or I can pull out any of my little runes or oghams or cards, or I can just close my eyes and wonder. I don't believe there is any way to know everything that will happen, or what all the possibilities are, but I do believe that we as human beings are allowed glimpses into the future or at least into the possible futures of where our current path is taking us. It's just a matter of finding the method you are comfortable with that works for you, learning it, and learning exactly how seriously to take it. (As in too much can be VERY bad.)
In my own life, I do divination when there are things going on that I am not sure of the cause of, or when my own motivations and goals seem hidden, or I have important decisions to make that I am struggling with. Right now with my health problems I've found myself doing a bit of divination in order to find the right paths for treatment, but I am also doing much work towards that in the physical realm as well, so it all works together in my mind. I also do divination on certain holidays, specifically the one that is seen as the Celtic New Year.
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@Ravenladyj (22902)
• United States
11 Jul 07
" don't think there is any divination system that is really better than others, I think it merely comes down to utilizing talents that we already have anyway. All the methods are just tools"
That is SO TRUE....and yes I agree there isnt any one system better than others by any means...
" I can just close my eyes and wonder"
Yea I dont wonder but I do when I need to in a pinch just close my eyes and sit in silence in order to find out what i need to....Alot of times thats actually the best way for me...but I do love my Tarot as well...Runes I cant seem to get the hang of so I gave up on that one a while back..
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@morgandrake (2136)
• United States
11 Jul 07
As a member of Golden Dawn, I have been required to study astrology, Tarot, and geomancy. I know some about the IFA and I-Ching due to its relationship to geomancy.
I have readings done for me. Some readers are btter than others.
For myself when reading, I prefer the Elder Futhark (the so-called Norse Runes). It seems to work. But then again, I might be delusional. ;)
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@missak (3311)
• Spain
11 Jul 07
Thanks for sharing! IF Geomancy is related to thoose, I definitly would like to know more about it. Also I am interested in runes in general, so Elder Futhark sounds wonderful. Can you explain more? I'll research on them also. I agree that it can be delusional :P
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@morgandrake (2136)
• United States
11 Jul 07
Geomancy is a binary system of divination just like the I-Ching and the IFA. Some people theorize that European Geomancy came from IFA though the Arabs. I am not sure if that is true or not. I am fairly confident that the idea of geomancy (divination by generating points) did trace from the Arabs. Geomancy is one of the few divination types that a Muslim can do "writings in the sand" and still obey the Quran.
European geomancy relies more heavily on astrology than what I have seen of the Arabic lore. In fact, during the Middle Ages, geomancy seemed to be used mainly to come up with a form of astrological reading.
Unfortunately, geomancy has fallen on hard times. In part because everyone uses the Golden Dawn documents that Regardie published as the baseline--the tabulated rules are NOT the whole of the system, but most authorities seem to forget that.
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@Lydia1901 (16351)
• United States
20 Jul 07
I do not think that I do know much about this but thanks for sharing all of this. At least now I know a little bit about it.
@kitchenwitchoftupper (2290)
• United States
12 Jul 07
One of the most important things of any divination tool that I didn't add and I don't believe that I read it in any other post either is that Divination is NOT something to "experiment" with.
Naturally, when you are learning the skill, you will have to practice, but that is much different than experimentation.
I know that I read that Lecanis uses Runes and am sure she has learned well how to use them with respect. If you are studying divination with a teacher, you will be given thorough warning and instruction I would hope; however, if you are trying to learn out of a book, you may not get complete instructions.
Before you try anything, the first thing to learn, and it is an absolute MUST, is to guard yourself. Any time you open yourself up to the spirit world, you are not just opening yourself up to Aunt Mary, Grandma Smith, or whomever it is you are seeking guidance from. There is a chance they may come to you to give you the requested guidance, but there is also a chance that you could be sucked into a realm of consciousness with travelers that you may not want to be traveling with. If you have any questions as to guarding yourself, please take the time to research the Divination method you are getting ready to pursue before actually doing it. ~Donna
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@kyutstudph (1263)
• Philippines
12 Jul 07
Wow I dont really have the idea about this that's why I made a research.Innumerable methods of divination can be found around the world, and many cultures practice the same methods under different names. During the Middle Ages, scholars coined terms for many of these methods — some of which had hitherto been unnamed — in Medieval Latin, very often utilizing the suffix -mantia when the art seemed more mystical (ultimately from Greek mantis, prophet) and the suffix -scopia when the art seemed more scientific (ultimately from Greek skopein, to observe). Names like drimimantia, nigromantia, and horoscopia turned up, along with a slew of other esoteric (and distinctly Medieval) "sciences" such as phrenology and physiognomy.
Of course, some forms of divination are much older than the Middle Ages, like haruspication and dobutsu uranai, while others (such as megapolisomancy or coffee-based tasseomancy) are born of the 20th and 21st century.
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