STOP : Religious Bigotery Hate Speech !

United States
October 21, 2007 8:39am CST
Yes, it is true. On over 100 campuses in the USA there is going to be an event called.... Islamo-Fascism Awareness Week. How dare these people utilize the first admendment to spread their filthy ideas. Does the first admendment cover "Religious Bigotery Hate Speech" ? What makes these people think the first admendment to the USA constitution applies to the likes of them? In case you don't believe it, you can read about it here, along with the ideas of some fellow who believes these event organizers actually are entitled to first admendment rights. How dare he? http://outsidethewire.mensnewsdaily.com/2007/10/20/american-muslims-must-learn-to-accept-free-speech/ So, what do you say? Should college students actually be exposed really to both sides of issues? Isn't there too big of a danger that these young unformed minds will make the wrong decisions?
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@thyst07 (2079)
• United States
21 Oct 07
I definitely agree with you that it is wrong for these people to spread hateful messages about another religion. Sending out these kind of messages is harmful no matter who the audience is- children, college students, older adults. I would argue that the danger is no greater to college students than it would be to other adults. Being a college student myself, and spending a great deal of time on a college campus, I believe that most college students are old enough and educated enough to have already made their own decisions on these type of issues. Just because we are younger than you are doesn't mean that we are any more impressionable, and I certainly don't think we have "unformed minds." Still, the negative implications of hate speech are undeniable. Some people will choose to listen and take it to heart- especially those who don't have any truthful information about Islam. If my college campus was one of the ones hosting these atrocities, I would definitely do everything I could to protest it- petitions, sit-ins, complaints to the dean, etc. Unfortunately, these types of hateful demonstrations are covered under the first amendment. I agree with you that it shouldn't be this way, but for now it is. As long as they don't perpetrate any acts of violence or break any other laws during their demonstration, these people have a legal right to speak their point of view. Perhaps sometime in the future, this nation as a whole will become educated enough to change this, but for now there isn't much we can do on a legal standpoint. It is worth noting, however, that individual colleges do have the authority to either allow or not allow these demonstrations to take place on campus. If you live near one of the campuses that are hosting these events, try contacting the dean of the college or the board to get them to ban the event. You might not think your individual effort would make a difference, but you might be surprised. By making the effort to have these talks banned, you're becoming an ally for the people whom these talks are against. I would encourage you to consider taking this action, and get other people in your community involved if you can. As Gandhi said, "Be the change you want to see in the world."
• United States
21 Oct 07
"I definitely agree with you that it is wrong for these people to spread hateful messages about another religion." Hmmm... how to tell you this? I was being sarcastic. I fully support the holding of these events. Whether their message is true or not, what they have to say should be listened to, discussed, and evaluated. Telling unpleasant truth, is not hate speech. "Unfortunately, these types of hateful demonstrations are covered under the first amendment." Not unfortunately, FORTUNATELY. It is sad you are a college student. You have not learned the essence of why the first admendment is important. You are not getting your money's worth from your educational dollars. "Perhaps sometime in the future, this nation as a whole will become educated enough to change this, but for now there isn't much we can do on a legal standpoint." This is mind bogglingly ignorant. The lack of honest discussion is what is the problem. We do not need an educated nation on the whole deciding what can and can not be discussed. This would be the opposite of an educated nation. "If you live near one of the campuses that are hosting these events, try contacting the dean of the college or the board to get them to ban the event." So, you are against free speech? "By making the effort to have these talks banned, you're becoming an ally for the people whom these talks are against." Why would I want to do that? "As Gandhi said, "Be the change you want to see in the world."" This is as I do everyday.
• United States
21 Oct 07
For an example of Islamo-fascism in action, see this thread: http://www.mylot.com/w/discussions/1310077.aspx
@thyst07 (2079)
• United States
23 Oct 07
Obviously, I misunderstood the nature of your post. I attribute that to a couple things: first, I'm not familiar with you or your style, so I didn't realize that you were being sarcastic. Second, I was not informed about the topic at hand. I assumed that talks on "Islamo-facism" would be against Islam as a whole and the people who follow it. Having taken the time to read the links you provided, I now realize that this is not the case. These talks are an effort to educate about the violence and oppression perpetrated by certain Muslim extremist groups. This is something that I would support, and I appreciate the opportunity to learn about it. I did, however, find some of the things you said in your reply to be pretty insulting. I would like to invite you to consider that just because someone makes a mistake, fails to be informed about a certain topic, or has a different opinion than you do does not necessarily mean that they are unintelligent or that their education is a waste of money. Nobody can learn everything they need to know in 4 years of college (or in a lifetime for that matter)- I'm no exception, although I do make an honest effort to learn as much as I can. I recognize the importance of the legal right to free speech; however, when that speech causes harm to other people, I have to question whether it is right or not. Hate speech may not cause direct physical harm, but it causes harm to certain groups of people in many other ways. Yes, I can agree that it is wrong to take away people's legal right to state their opinion. So maybe, instead of an "educated nation" that takes this right away from certain people, what I really hope for is a nation whose people are more aware and accepting of diversity, where hate speech doesn't exist. I realize that this is idealistic and probably impossible; however, I think that any step in that direction is a good thing, and I will do what I can to encourage it.
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@kamran12 (5526)
• Pakistan
22 Oct 07
Hello redyellowblackdog! I don't think that it's a religious bigotry or hate speech per se, to organize such events. As long as facts are presented, I really would like much that such events be organized. Fascism should be exposed, condemned and fought against, be it Muslim, Christian, Jewish, Hindu, Pagan, Atheist, Secular, American, Russian, Chinese, European or Iranian. However, if the sources of information for those students are the same as are of ‘educated’ members of this community, then I really doubt that we can expect a positive or real outcome. When the information source is lie ridden media, it is really difficult to reach to factual and real solutions and understanding. In past few weeks, I have seen many ‘educated’, ‘intelligent’, ‘careful’ and ‘responsible’ members of this community who fall to even obvious lies without even a little back ground check. Seeing these members following lies, I have less optimism about that week. Still, I have hopes, owing to inquisitive nature of youth and especially students that they will make a change. So, I fully support such activities and I hope that they will act much more responsibly and reasonably than many mature members of this community or else where. peace be to all!:-)
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• United States
22 Oct 07
The only way to completely and truely "fact check" anything is for it to be discussed. Then, the lie and the liar are exposed. This is what we are doing here. Would you rather shut up those who hate Islam enough to lie about it? Then you could never learn who they are. Let them lie, then expose the liar.
• United States
22 Oct 07
I've read the article. It mostly is meaningless. Understanding these kind of studies is what I specialized in at graduate school. I can read enough just in the article to see the study has no validity. I'd explain why, but I'm not going to write out several thousand words along with the necessary math for the 2 cents myLot would pay me.
@kamran12 (5526)
• Pakistan
22 Oct 07
I totally agree with you, yet, it doesn't work that way in the real world. When there are thousands of sites and plenty of 'trusted' media sources spreading lies and only few are exposing them, then it doesn't work, really! Look at the following report to see how the minds of American public were made for Iraq: http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/articles/international_security_bt/102.php?nid=&id=&pnt=102&lb=brusc Note: I haven't come up with a Anti-American or Non-American source. Validity of this report should be judged by yourself. I have personally analyzed a news article of CBS and an Arab news source in one of your discussions. I'll talk about the obvious lies of Bush administration and how people have forgotten them, in one of your newer discussions. Still, I do have hope with youth!
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@estherlou (5015)
• United States
21 Oct 07
What a wonderful tongue-in-cheek discussion you started! I got a chuckle from your perspective, as usual. I say, bravo for the Islamo-Fascism Awareness Week idea. And it's about time! This actually has merit and is a good idea. Quite different than when the leader of a terrorist country speaks to our college students! And I love Bob Barks telling in the article, that the muslims could just get over it...if they didn't like hearing it, oh well. The rest of us have to listen to stuff we don't like. The Awareness Week is to point out the difference in the radical muslims who become terrorists, and the other muslims who are normal everyday citizens. Again...I say bravo to them for trying to educate so we don't lumb everyone into the same "muslim" boat.
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• United States
21 Oct 07
Glad you liked it. Hopefully, saying really outrageous stupid things might get some to think a little. And provide everyone else a good laugh. To be clear, I have no problem with Islamo-Fascism-Awarness Week. It is a great idea. If the Muslims want to have a USA-Capitialism-Evil-Great-Satan Week, that's all right too. They should just expect some arguement and discussion about the subject.
@astaha (129)
• India
29 Oct 07
thank god. nice to see a westerner accepting corelation of USA with evil.
@MntlWard (878)
• United States
22 Oct 07
Are there really so many US citizens who are unaware of Islamic extremism that we need to name a week dedicated to correcting that? Furthermore, naming it with a fake word made up by some talk radio personality leads me to believe it's not likely to be a week intended to provide completely factual information. That being said, they do have the First Amendment right to speak, but I really hope most people will not bother to pay attention to what they're saying. There's a lot of factual information about Islamic oppression out there, but I doubt the people behind this "Week" will be a proper source of it.
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• United States
22 Oct 07
Thank you for an intelligent, honest opinion in opposition. We #1's have to stick together!
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@Destiny007 (5805)
• United States
21 Oct 07
Yes, college students... and everyone else... should be exposed to all sides of any issue. It is only when you have all of the facts that an informed decision can be made. Yes there is a danger that they could come to the "wrong" conclusion... any conclusion could be deemed wrong if it opposes what you are trying to accomplish, and that is the problem that the Muslims are upset about. They don't want the truth known because that hurts their goals. Although there are still people who would attribute the actions of a few to mean that an entire group is the same, these people are a very small minority. Most people know that radical or bad people never represent an entire ethnic or social group, however a lot of the time the leaders of these groups can be radical while the genral members are not. The Muslim community may consider this Awareness Week to be riligious bigotry, however it is not. Knowledge is power and the lack of knowledge can be devastating. These Muslim leaders do not want this knowledge made available because it will hurt their agenda, thus they are calling it hate speech in the hopes that America will once again grant them special protection and consideration. In my opinion this Awareness Week should take place, and it should become a permanent thing. People need to wake up and see the truth.
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• United States
21 Oct 07
Certainly, I agree with you. Unfortunately, the truth often is not much fun whereas the delusional fantasy of the world as we'd like to see it can be a laugh a minute. I guess we need to balence having a good time with sober reality.
• United States
22 Oct 07
All of us should be exposed to all sides of an issue, especially college students. College is a time to see what you really believe in. And of course the first amendment applies to fascists. It applies to all or non. As soon as we say that the fascists can't speak, the black panthers won't be allowed to speak either and then slowly everyone won't be allowed to speak.Besides , I would rather see who is a fascist than not being able to know who they are.And when they have their rally, you can have an opposing rally, now that's America.
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