Joining the Military
By ParaTed2k
@ParaTed2k (22940)
Sheboygan, Wisconsin
December 7, 2007 9:24am CST
I've spent most of my adult life in the U.S. Army, both on Active Duty and in the National Guards of 3 states. I retired a few years ago, and I miss it a lot. I'm also dealing with Post Traumatic Stress Disorder and other forms of "burnout" from my experiences in the military, riding ambulance and disaster recovery.
Because of my experiences, if anyone asks me about a career in the military (or EMS and disaster recovery), I can talk with them about both the great benefits and the definite drawbacks that go with the decision.
But most of you don't have that experience to draw on.
So, if your son, daughter, spouse, sibling or just good friend was looking into joining the military, what would you say to them?
If you would try to talk them out of it, what arguments would you use? If you were supportive of it, what encouragements would you use?
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@raphael_volts (1131)
• India
8 Dec 07
I myself am just 20 right now, but what I did try to join Indian army, by giving there exam. I didn't pass through. Not that I didn't know the drawbacks but I was rally eager to going there. I really wanted to do something for my country. I really like army life and the amount of training they are given, the strength they hold.
I would have really liked it, had I made it there. I would really like to encourage anybody who wants to go to Army. i would generally tell them, how it feels to have the power, and the respect, and the first stand in saving and protecting your nation. Making it and keeping it safe from terrorists and invaders. To live and die for the country is a big honor.
Any ways
Take Care
May GOD Bless YOU
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
8 Dec 07
Thank you for your comments. While most of my threads are based on my country, I'm usually interested to hear what people from other countries and cultures have to say about the topics.
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@ESKARENA1 (18260)
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7 Dec 07
i would tell them to follow their heart. I honestly do not think anyone is best served by having others trying to persude them to make their descision one way or another, they realy do have to come to that descision all by themself
blessed be
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@sedel1027 (17846)
• Cupertino, California
7 Dec 07
My ex husband was in the Army for most of the time we were married (he was in the military already when we met). Over the course of our relationship he was almost killed 3 times (state side), suffered from depression (that was mistreated by the military), and toured in Iraq (which gave him PTSD). The only sort of positive that came out of it was him using his GI Bill to pay for his MCSE tests (he finished his BA but the GI Bill didn't approve of the college he attended).
My current husband is ex-Army and was going into the Marine Corps. I was in full support. He was a) going into an MOS that would have kept him state side, b) going to get his GI Bill back, c) helping us get back on track financially. Due to the fact that his recruiter went MIA for 2 months my husband decided to just change jobs which in the end is a much better move financially for us and it will allow him to go to college much sooner.
I do have a son. My ex thinks he HAS to go in the military (some BS about 1st born male). My son is not military material at all. He has no desire to go into the military, he wants to be vetrinarian. My feelings are this, if at 18 he comes to me and says I changed my mind I want to go into the military - not influenced by his father of course - I will back him. I would encourage him to look at all branches and find out as much information about each as he could before joining. I would also encourage him to find out information about all MOS's that he is interested and find out how the MOS's are allocated to ensure if he will get what he wants (I know Army Guard allows you to choose your MOS and that is definitely what you get).
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@sedel1027 (17846)
• Cupertino, California
7 Dec 07
Marine Corps does not allow you to choose you MOS. you chose a primary and secondary group of MOS that you may be assigned. That is one thing I didn't like about the Marine Corps.
The Army lets you choose your MOS going in but only the Active Duty National Guard guarantees your MOS (and if you have a language, they guarantee your language) and puts it in your contract. Unless the Army has changes their policy for Active Duty in the last 3 years.
I don't know what the Air Force does.
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
7 Dec 07
Actually the "AWOL" report is a press inspired load of crap. What they did was go back to 1980 to make an impressive statistic for their propaganda.
The fact is, AWOL was actually higher in the late 90s, 2000 and 2001 than any of the years since 2003.
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
7 Dec 07
I have a friend whose son is joining the Coast Guard... to be a veteraniarian. ;~D
The Army (Active, Guard and Reserve) allow a person to choose their MOS (based on ASVAB test scores and availability, of course). I'm not sure about the other services. I'll leave it up to anyone who has served with them to answer that.
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@redyellowblackdog (10629)
• United States
7 Dec 07
Serving in the US military with the purpose of defending the USA and its constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic is one of the highest callings there can possibly be.
This is because the freedom of the kind that comes from the Constitution, especially the BILL of RIGHTS, is what has allowed the development of modern advanced civilization and technology.
Around the world and throughout history, the countries with freedoms similar to those we enjoy are the ones that have contributed the most to advancing the cause of humankind and elevating the human condition.
Serving in the US military is a way to preserve, protect, and defend the cause of advancing civilization and humankind.
The above is what I would tell someone as to why they might want to serve in the US military. I'll sum it up this way.
"To serve in the forces of freedom is to be a part of something much bigger than ones self that can accomplish an amount of good in the world almost no one could do on their own."
Why not serve?
Too often the citizens of the USA elect unscrupilious scoundrels willing to squander the lives of our brave precious Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen, and Marines.
Politicians without honor waste US service personnel's lives by underfunding them logistically and deploying them for purposes other than that which they are intended.
To serve or not is a difficult choice.
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
7 Dec 07
Yes, it is a difficult choice, and like all choices of career, it shouldn't be taken lightly.
Serving in the military is an honor, and one that isn't open to everyone. It should be respected and revered.
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@sedel1027 (17846)
• Cupertino, California
7 Dec 07
"Serving in the military is an honor, and one that isn't open to everyone. It should be respected and revered."
I agree that serving is an honor, but just about anyone can serve unfortunately. I have a friend who is a recruiter and he has said many times that they are so desperate, they will jump through hoops to enlist anyone that they can get - even people who are about to go to jail. He has actually gone down to the judges chambers and asked for a reprieve for guys who are enlisting, however if they break their enlistment contract, they will go to jail.
Should people who do not respect the law even be considered for this type of position?
My husband said that when he was at boot camp he met a guy - who was suppose to watch his back - that was there to skip jail time for check forgery and beating his girlfriend. Would you trust him to watch your back during a live fire exercise?
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
7 Dec 07
"Join the Army or Go to Jail" has been a common theme throughout history. I've been a wildland firefighter, one of the best teams I've ever worked with was the "Flame N Goes"... Flame N Goes are teams from the Utah State Prison.
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@Lakota12 (42600)
• United States
8 Dec 07
Sorry that you have PTSD I am guessing it goes with what you did while in the service. and I know it takes years to get out of it but then ya have to work at that.
as I have a son in Iraq right now I do beleive he is there to make our world safe and that is his duty .
As for talking any one out of it ,Nope wouldnt.As for talking to them about going in I do think that is a caricture builder for most.
They learn disapline and manners and lots of things can also finish school and learn a trade while in there. and seems like most that do go do learn a trade that they might not get to do out side the service. and they should be very proud to serve our country . I just might be frrom the old school ,but I do think it is a good thing to do.
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@Lakota12 (42600)
• United States
9 Dec 07
thanks am sure he will come home soon and only know now he will have a time getting used to loud noises but we will help him out as much as we can so it hopefull wont take 6 months for him to recover from this.
Merry CHristmas or HAppy what ever you celibrate!
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
8 Dec 07
Some of the causes of my PTSD stem from military action, but most of it come from EMS and disaster recovery activities.
Thanks for supporting our military and I pray your son comes home soon, and healthy.
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@RebeccaLynn (2256)
• United States
8 Dec 07
Our government is so stupid that I don't want my cjildren in the military.
Yes - fight for your country when it is necessary to fight,but these made up wars are killing too many of our children. Are we REALLY looking for Osama? Or are we really looking for better leverage in the oil fields?
Not to mention how horribly our injured troops have been treated! No proper medical or mental health treatment. It's shameful!
I pray you have the proper support to help you with your ptsd. It's a terrible condition.
I've seen plenty of soldiers in your predicament and all I CAN do is pray for you and them.
God bless you for serving and keeping us safe. I know it came at a high price for you.
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
8 Dec 07
Thank you.
The first thing they should do to help us is close the VA medical system and use the money to pay local doctors, clinics and hospitals. The VA is too big a bureaucracy to ever be effective in treating us.
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@sizzle3000 (3036)
• United States
1 Jan 08
I come from a long line of military. My husband is ex army. My brother is law is a retired ranger. Several of my nephews have joined other branches of the military. My family believes in serving their country and protecting it from terrorist. I have to admit that they got good educations out of the deal as well. Yes, there are draw backs but there is with any occupation you choose. I do not try to talk anyone into serving or not serving. I say to those who choose to join that I admire them and thank them for standing up for the US as a whole. I also say may God bless them for defending those who are safe at home. My husband sacraficed many years of his life for his country as well as his hearing but you will never here him say that he regrets serving his country. I am very proud of every family member who stepped up and defended their beliefs and their country. If for some reason you choose not to serve that is ok too, I just hope that those who do not serve will honor and support those who do. I thank all men and women who have fought in our military at one time or another to keep those of us safe that stayed at home.I had an Uncle who served in Vetnam, and cousins and uncle's who served in Korea. Now that we are in afganistan and iraq I also have family there. I watch the new all the time. Being in the military is a calling and an honor. Serving your country just to get an education is no reason to serve, it is an added bonus. I feel shame for the people who got a good education on Uncle Sam's tab and when the war broke out decided that they did not want to serve any more. They got their education and now they wanted to run and hide.
I support our troops to the fullest. They go where they are told and they do the best they can. I would never try to convince a person to join the military or not to join. I would only support any choice that they freely made.
@bravenewworld (746)
• United States
8 Dec 07
That my kids will join the military is one of my biggest fears. I certainly don't want my kids put in that kind of danger, unless for a VERY good cause. Similarly, I don't want them to have to kill anyone, or witnes the traumatizing consequences of war. Even if they were not in combat, I believe the military is dehumanizing. I don't think there's been a military cause worth this type of self sacrifice since WWII. I hate the military commercials and I hate recruitment on campuses. My kids my join up just to spite me, I guess. But that doesn't stop me doing all I can to discourage them from it.
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
8 Dec 07
Then keep them away from the medical field too. I never killed one person in the Army, but I killed a some in the ambulance. In fact, most my burnout stems from Humanitarian activities, not military ones.
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@froggylovesu (173)
• United States
7 Dec 07
PROUD YOU SERVED
I support our troops and those who served ( Vetrans )
((((PRAYING))))










