It's Not That Complicated Folks!

@ParaTed2k (22940)
Sheboygan, Wisconsin
January 18, 2008 8:35am CST
People complain that the U.S. election system is too complicated, and hard to follow. That simply isn't true. When it comes right down to it, our election system only gets complicated when people muddle it up with how they think it should work, instead of just seeing it how it really is. First of all, people think we have national elections. We don't, we have 50 state elections. Why have a national election when there's only 1 elected position that is national? The House and Senate aren't national, they are state and district positions. Therefore, a national election would be worthless. Our Congress also isn't apportioned by democraphics, so any argument or lamenting over them is a waste of time and energy. Whether or not the Houses of Congress reflect the percentage of any given demagraphic in the general population means absolutely nothing. People seem to think that primary elections are meant to decide who can run for president and who can't. This is just not true. The only purpose of a primary election is for the members of each party to choose the party's nominee. Contrary to popular belief, the Electoral College wasn't established because of limited communication back in the day. It doesn't matter if information moves at horse and buggy speed or the speed of light. Voters still show up to vote in precincts, the votes are tallied and the numbers are reported to the state. The Electoral College basically does the same thing, so speed of communications has nothing to do with it. The EC was established so the states and the people both have a voice in choosing the president. See, it's pretty simple when you just look at the elections as they are. Adding to them, or taking away from them is what complicates them in people's minds.
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• Kottayam, India
18 Jan 08
I think election system not worked well last time, well this time it should be revamped, see India where very smooth elections are taking place though we are not a tech-rich nation.
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
18 Jan 08
True, technology has done more to complicate the system than help it.
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• Kottayam, India
18 Jan 08
thanks.
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• Italy
18 Jan 08
I don't know if it's the same for the final elections, but I find strange that not every state does the primaries in the same day. With this system people are getting influenced of what the other states have done. Also you can campaign and say polls results even the same day of elections and people are influenced also by that. In my country you can't campaign the last two days, at least last-time chooser have time to think on their own.
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
18 Jan 08
Why would the party leaders in every state feel the need to hold their primary the same day as all the others? Since there is no national election organization, who would set that date?
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@anniepa (27955)
• United States
21 Jan 08
So, can I take from what you're saying that we, the voters have no say in who the party chooses as its nominee? To me you're right, it's not that complicated and as another poster said there really is not excuse for apathy and if someone doesn't exercise their right to vote they really have no right to gripe. That having been said, I am not nor have I ever been "apathetic", in fact I've voted in every election since I became of age to do so. I pay very close attention to what the candidates are saying and what their records are and I vote accordingly. And I still do not agree with the Electoral College and I believe very firmly in "One person, one vote". I don't care what the reasons for the EC were 200+ years ago, it serves no real purpose now except to add to people's confusion and frustration and therefore voter apathy. We are "One nation" - we can debate the "Under God" which was added many, MANY years later at another time - and our elections should reflect that. The demographics of our Congressional Districts do matter due to the gerrymandering that is done which makes them relevant and in many cases very unfair. At least our U.S. Senators are chosen statewide but our Representatives in Congress are chosen by districts that are created by whichever party is in power at the time of the census which is often very unfair to certain groups depending on who is in power and who would benefit the most by how the districts are drawn. Annie
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
21 Jan 08
No, you are not apathetic, and I thank you for it. That's why I wonder why you want to relinquish your say to the people in New York, Chicago, Los Angeles and a handful of other major cities. I don't understand why you would actively argue to lose your voice to them?
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@anniepa (27955)
• United States
27 Jan 08
First, the people of New York, Chicago and Los Angeles don't all share the same beliefs on any number of issues because there are different pressing issues for different cities and geographical areas. And every voter in each individual city is not a carbon copy of the next one. I'm from a small town in Pennsylvania and I'm surrounded by rural areas but that doesn't mean I don't understand any of the problems faced by people who live in the cities. I guess when you really think about it it's those of us from "Small Town USA" that make up the largest collective group of people but are the most ignored. You hear about the big city "Urban" people and the "Rural" folks but nothing about those of us who are neither. I just don't get the reasoning that people from the cities are totally different from those from rural areas when it comes to the issues that are the most important to all Americans. I agree with John Edwards when he talks about there being "two Americas" and it's not "rural America" and "urban America", large states and small states, northeastern and midwestern, red states and blue states or black and white. When it comes to economic issues, which are the most pressing facing us right now at this moment in time, it's the haves and the have-nots and the latter group is growing at an alarming rate. Now, with the stock market on a roller-coaster ride, the wealthy are facing a bit of a crisis of their own but they will never face the reality of not being able to feed their families or pay for their health care, just to name two of the problems facing what once was the middle class. As for the Presidential candidates not bothering to visit all areas of the country if it were not for the way the elections are held, well guess what? There are many more of us who they don't visit than they do and I don't see that changing either way. They to show up in Iowa and New Hampshire for months and months before the first vote is cast and then go to the other earlier states but if we were to go to a "National Primary" election day they'd go to the areas where they thought they could get the most votes, whether it be to the cities or the "heartland". Candidates such as Mike Huckabee would still spend a great deal of time in the south where there are a large number of Evangelical Christians and most of the Democratic candidates would still go to areas where there are many union members. Candidates from both parties would continue to pander to those they believe to be their most likely supporters and contributers. My quiet, untalked about region of northeastern and central Pennsylvania will most likely continue to be ignored except for maybe a few last minute - and I do mean "MINUTE" - stops in the last days and weeks before the general election. That won't change but I still want my one vote to count the same - no more and no less - than the farmer in Iowa or the cab driver in NYC. Or the NRA member from West Virginia and the teacher/NEA member from Massachusetts. We don't all agree on all issues, sometimes we don't agree on any issues but we all have a right to vote and for our vote to count. That's not all that complicated at all! Annie
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
28 Jan 08
Look at the maps that break the 2000 election down by county. The vast majority of the counties voted for Bush, but Gore got more votes. If we left it up to "popular vote" the cities would decide everything, those in "fly over country" would be left out in the cold. Look at your own state and how it breaks down by county. Do you think the people in the cities would even give the needs of those in the country a second thought? The founding fathers set up a system that keeps mob rule from becoming he law of the land. One lesson we learn from mob rule... only those in the mob get what they want.
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• United States
18 Jan 08
Plus the fact,ParaTed, I think people will come up with any excuse (in many cases) just to have a reason not to vote. There is a word for it. It's called Apathy. People had rather be able to gripe and complain about it all, than use their brains and vote. My theory is simple - "If you don't vote - then you don't have a right to complain". I understand your discussion isn't about voting. It's about how simple it is to understand the Electoral process. The problem with a lot of people is they haven't taken the time to understand the process, so they reason - it's too complicated to understand. The same is true for selecting who they will vote for. They can't take the time to find out what the person running for office is about or what he believes in, or what platform he or she is running on. People don't understand, or take the time to know, the difference between Republican and Democrat. How are they going to understand anything else. As an American, a citizen, it's our duty to understand, to be able to make the choices - to distinguish who we think best suits the needs of the entire USA. It's our duty as citizens to vote. How can we do that if we know little to nothing about the process or the people. As I stated earlier, it's easier to sit back and complain. Thanks for the Electoral College explaination. I hope people read it.
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
18 Jan 08
Exactly! People make it more complicated so they can excuse their own apathy. Great way to put it!
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