Colour Discrimination

Dusky complexion - Flaunt it
@SViswan (12051)
India
January 26, 2008 2:23am CST
Well...not exactly what you thought! This has nothing to do with people of different races. It's about the being 'fair' tag. While matrimonial columns (in India) still continue with their search for a 'fair complexioned' bride, dusky complexioned seems to be the rage in showbiz. Aishwarya Rai had to go many shades darker in Dhoom2. Bipasha Basu, Kajol are a few of the dusky actresses doing well. Even the mini screen is following suite. But 'fair' still fares better in the marriage market. Why is this so? Psst...I'm not fair complexioned and happily married....but most people do look for a fair complexioned bride.
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@I_LUV_U (2519)
• India
28 Jan 08
I think choices are subjective. I'm not sure if it is right to ask "why this is so?". It will be like asking "Why most people love icecreams more than biscuits?", "Why all children love to read comics than history?" That is how this world works. It is just NATURAL! It's not only guys, even women feel the same. Any woman on any day will find Hrithik Roshan more handsome than Rajinikanth. Just interchange their complexions and you see the difference! I, personally, have been attracted to both fair and dark women. So, I never look particularly for fair or dark bride, when I decide to find for myself. If I do, I would miss many beautiful missies..lol
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@SViswan (12051)
• India
30 Jan 08
Mimpi, I wouldn't say that there is hatred towards people who are dark. It's just like I_LUV_U said that there is a preference to a certain colour (for various reasons). And I_LUV_U did have a point that we women do have our preferences whatever they may be (not only colour). I actually didn't think of that aspect because the general idea is that girls have to go with whatever is chosen for them (yes..there are certain sectors which still practice that...where girls have no say)....but generally we now find that girls do have preferences and choices.....eg...I don't want someone who is fat or hefty or dark even!
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@mimpi1911 (25464)
• India
30 Jan 08
Dear ILUVU, A preference of what you have mentioned does not curb the advancement of the society at large. But racial and color discrimination do. So, dear, when you say that it’s just like choosing another option over the other, I differ strongly. This is far graver than that. We do not practice this out of fancy but we are ignorant and spiteful and full of hatred towards dark people. Why else would someone want a fair wife and not a dark one? I wish things were that easy like a brand choice, but reality is harsh. Get real sweet heart! *smiles*
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@apsara60 (6609)
• Israel
30 Jan 08
Nice and true reply friend....SV made right choice by giving you BR, because we alway think Boys want fair girls, but we forget that girls also have same demands.......lol...you got us there.......:))
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@cupid74 (11388)
• Pakistan
26 Jan 08
hi dear sviswan fair skin mean not too dark, not too white medium color and i think its ok it may be initial demand as only color does not make complete look its whole face, rather whole personalities, i have seen quite white face but they are not attractive, and on the other side dark faces but attractive and eye catching so i think its true that Beauty lies of beholder so dont worry, ask ur hubby or ask friends, like Me, LOl take care
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@cupid74 (11388)
• Pakistan
28 Jan 08
Hi Sviswan i like when u agree with me and so i think whatever u said, i agree with u lol but u r right, character refelects on face and if u have sttrong character and good qualities then complexion and facial beauty are not that important take care
@SViswan (12051)
• India
28 Jan 08
lol..cupid..sometimes I disagree too....this just happens to be one instance where I agree. But I think I can disagree without having to fight with you because you are a friend. Btw...what's the new avatar....it's like a total contrast to your earlier one....I got a jolt with this one:)
@cupid74 (11388)
• Pakistan
28 Jan 08
Hi but i like it as here we agree with each other and sure u can diasgree with me and no fight at all, as whatever we discuss is our idea or our assumption, which may be wrong, so conflict of idea is not a problem . by this u learn new things and u can see vast horizons. My new avator, i have changed it, but why u were jolted?? take care
@mimpi1911 (25464)
• India
28 Jan 08
This one fact, together with many others, endorses how we are still inherently 'racial' color wise and I guess otherwise as well! You have indeed pointed out a very grave issue. This fact, predominantly exists in the lower stratum of the society where dowry and other evil practices are still prevalent. Excluding the glamor world and higher middle class and higher class ppl, this gets serious when in rural India a fair girl ends up paying less dowry than a dark skinned girl, even if the latter is more beautiful or efficient! It's all in the mentality of the people and these are the same people who would rather prefer a boy child to a girl one!! Here, I would like to share a fact. Sviswan, in reality a dark skinned person would have a better skin even when aged in comparison to a fair skinned person. It has to do with melanin balance of the skin, which the dark people retain till long. Obviously, the dark skinned or black people have a better skin anytime. *laughs*
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@SViswan (12051)
• India
30 Jan 08
Yes, I know about dark skin ages better:) But I do not agree that it predominantly exists in the lower stratum of society...though the amount of dowry differing there might be right. I see it in all strata of society.
@SViswan (12051)
• India
30 Jan 08
Mine was based on experience. When we were bridegroom hunting for my sister, we would go through the classified and ALL of them (with the exception of a few from the lower strata) wanted fair skin brides. I'm sure that might not be the case where you stay at and the survey was based on a cross section from the same place or state or region. All that I wanted to say was that it doesn't matter what strata of society, most of them wanted the same thing about skin colour.
@mimpi1911 (25464)
• India
31 Jan 08
You did not get my point! Sorry. PERIOD.
@Lakota12 (42600)
• United States
27 Jan 08
WEll they arent marring for love! and really fair or dark if they love the woman it wont matter. And I just dont know why there should be a difference. are the men that picky? they shouldnt be and do they still have to marry who is picked for them from birth?
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@SViswan (12051)
• India
30 Jan 08
Well, in my case my parents facilitated the meeting...they introduced me to my husband and it was my choice from then...no forcing. If we felt we had totally different view points, we could always part as friends. Even now, my parents wouldn't stand in my way if things don't work out and we need to separate. In my sister's case, she had met the guy on work...and she asked my mother if we could think of the match. We got a relative to ask the guy and when he knew who it was, he agreed. Though love isn't involved in the beginning, there's a lot of practical aspect that we look into (which most people in love are blind to)...and I think it works out best for us this way. My parents would have let me marry someone I loved (even from a different caste, religion or country) but I chose to have an arranged marriage.
@Lakota12 (42600)
• United States
31 Jan 08
well her way should work out good . and sounds like you have picked some one ya wanted. I know marriage is hard work and most times it takes awhile to fall in love with that person and if you do and he does you really can have a wonderful life together. I would hate to leave in a marriage that was torture. With my 2nd hubby we sat all day and night dancing and talking and I just knew we would be great together the funny thing is he saw me on the street walking one day and told his buddy I was the girl for him lol
@Lakota12 (42600)
• United States
28 Jan 08
well its ashame that love dont come into it. adn I like the feller that picked your sister he saw what he wanted and went for it. I hope they are very happy and have a very good life. SOme times ya just know your soul mate on a clance and I hope your sister approved of being picked. I just dont understand the parents they should want thier kids to be happy in married life. No matter if fair skinned or not. and from your pic. you look pretty light to me. so Dusky looks good on you. hugs
• United States
26 Jan 08
That is sad.What does your complexion have to do with a good marriage?Everyone has their vision of beauty but you may find the you perfect match and he/she may look completely different than what you were picturing.I have always been attracted to red haired men but my true love may or may nor have red hair.Who knows. and it is dangerous to have it known that people of a certain complexion won't be able to get married or be able to be happy.That would send the wrong signals to young darker young women and men. Here in the States, the ideal woman is usually portrayed as a blonde. But there are Many beautiful brunette women here. And these " ideal" brides may not be the type a guy is looking for.there are many men who prefer brunettes so i am assuming there are men who like darker skinned women in India.
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@SViswan (12051)
• India
26 Jan 08
Just as the ideal woman in the States is potrayed as blonde, it's a woman with fair complexion here in India. It doesn't seem to have changed much. Most people have arranged marriages and the parents look around for a fair skinned bride (even if both the parents and son are dark skinned). It makes no difference what the girl's qualities are...they mainly look at the colour.
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@SViswan (12051)
• India
28 Jan 08
Well, divorce rates are going up here too...with girls being educated and professionally on par with men. But I think that scenario is only in the metros...and in most of the towns and villages where arranged marriages are the norm, they have to stick to each other or there are lots of atrocities inflicted on the poor woman. There are even cases where the man decides that he doesn't want her as his wife anymore and lives and has a family with another woman...and his legal wife (I'm not sure how legal...I doubt if they apply for registration of marriages) can do nothing about it!
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• United States
27 Jan 08
You would think that looks would be just one of many qualities you look for in a bride or groom in a arranged marriage.There aren't as many divorces as there are here in The States, so you Have to remain married. So you would think that parents would look for a mate who has the best personality before the "ideal" looks.
@apsara60 (6609)
• Israel
30 Jan 08
Dear SV, nice discussion. I know there was a time when women was choosen just like you choose some kind of commodity in the market....remember when people came to see girls for marriage what they asked....zara chal kar dekho, zara gaa kar dekhao,zara nach kar dikho.....what the hell????????, thank god time is changing and I am sure soon this "FAIR" will also change because fair people here in western countries are crazy about our India wheatish colour complex, besides dark girls have very sharp feature, like saloony from saath phere.......black is beauty and 95% world has already accepted this fact. It is only our old generation who still add fair to their demands....because our generation is educatied and it already knows that inner beauty is more valuable than outer colour and beauty.
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@SViswan (12051)
• India
30 Jan 08
lol..in the years to come, we might have the preference moving from 'fair' to 'dark'. That's not good either. The discussion would still be the same with the words 'fair' and 'dark' interchanged. People need to go beyond the colour to understand what a person is.
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@SViswan (12051)
• India
31 Jan 08
lol...yes education is key! Being a teacher has its advantages....I can mould the children's charaters and I believe that it starts from the time the child steps into school. You don't want to get me started on education and society..I can go on and on. thanks...but I still have not reached the stage where I can really influence a child...but I hope I'll get there one day:)
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@apsara60 (6609)
• Israel
30 Jan 08
yeah SV and education is the only key to this problem. The more you are educated, the better is your understanding. I hope there will come a day, when each and every citizen of India will be educated and self dependent....specially , Indian women.......now my respect for you is even more because you are a teacher....vidya ki devi........lol
@GardenGerty (169406)
• United States
26 Jan 08
I think that people who really get to know others do not notice color so much. I do not experience this, as I am in the US, and average to fair skinned and our culture is different. I think the discrimination here is whether you are "height and weight appropriate" ( read that as 'not fat').I think that you have made an interesting cultural observation.
@davido (1623)
• Canada
26 Jan 08
Well people are getting wiser about color that it is not what makes the outside matters but what comes from the inside. A fair colred bride that causes problem is not worth it. Marriage is not about show but by result. (good ones)
@SViswan (12051)
• India
26 Jan 08
Well, you'd think the parents of the groom would know that after atleast 25 years of marriage. But in India, people still look for a fair skinned bride.
@dpk262006 (58679)
• Delhi, India
28 Jan 08
Excellent Post SV! You are on the dot. Everyone looks for fair colour. Men may be looking for fair coloured wife and vice versa. People has been tuned to such a mentality...that they always demand a 'fair colour' or fair skin girl for the bridegroom. Do you know 'Fair & Lovely' cream sells like hot cakes in the market, the compnay sells it because the company knows the mentality of we people. Everyone wishes to look fair. It is very difficult to change to mind set of people. In my opinion, on the other hand they should look our for virtues and qualities in a person (read bride), rather than going for a fair skinned person. I may tell you that my colour is vary fair and my wife's colour is wheatish. But on the very first occasion/meeting we were told about this thing by girl's (now my wife) parents..our reply was - we are looking for someone who can adjust in our home and who could be compatible to the boy i.e. boy. We were not looking for any fair colour girl, as such. For us, a good natured girl was more important than anything else. Our marriage proved successful and we do not discuss at all anything about our skin colour with each other. If a girl and a boy can adjust to each other after marriage, skin colour does not matter at all.
@SViswan (12051)
• India
30 Jan 08
lol...I guess that's right...based on our similar responses to many discussions.
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@SViswan (12051)
• India
28 Jan 08
You are absolutely right and I am proud that you have proved it too. What I'm wondering is....usually people are influenced by the movies and earlier we had fair skinned actresses....but that trend has changed and most of the successful actresses are dusky. Why then are the boy's family fixated with colour? And your in-laws knew that colour was an important criteria for most families and that is why they had to tell you in the beginning about your wife's colour before you could see her and insult the family. But your wife is lucky to have you.....who sees her qualities and not her colour.
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@dpk262006 (58679)
• Delhi, India
28 Jan 08
It is very difficult to change the mind set of people looking for fair bride. I will have to check it up from my wife whether she considers herself lucky to have me or not.....LOL! Thanks for agreeing with me. Our line of thinking is more or less on the same lines.
@maximax8 (31042)
• United Kingdom
30 Jan 08
This is interesting. I think fair complexion ladies have not spent much time outside in the hot sun. Ladies with darker complexions must have spent plenty of time in the sun. It is funny that many film stars have a dark complexion and yet men like to choose a wife with a fair complexion. I used to like having a tan and getting a darker complexion but not anymore now that the possibility of skin cancer is a concern. I have a very pale skin and I wish I had a naturally tanned looking skin.
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@SViswan (12051)
• India
31 Jan 08
lol...the grass is greener on the other side... dark skinned people want to be fair..and fair skinned want to be tan!
@aseretdd (13729)
• Philippines
28 Jan 08
That is also happening even in my country... there are a lot of actors and actresses who are doing everything just to have a whiter or fairer complexion... they seem to think that that will give them an advantage... even the men seem to prefer women with such a complexion But i still prefer one's original or natural complexion... my sking is light brown... and i don't want to make it any lighter... color is only skin deep... what's important is one's attitude and outlook in life...
@SViswan (12051)
• India
28 Jan 08
But here...the dusky actresses are in demand. But people still prefer fair skin brides. By the way, which country are you from?
@aseretdd (13729)
• Philippines
29 Jan 08
I am from the Philippines and most actors and actresses have milk white skin... i only know of a handful who retained their brown complexion...
@4mymak (1793)
• Malaysia
29 Jan 08
same thing going on here in our country, too... the fairer you are - the better-looking you are... that's how everyone seems to think.. and yes.. the fairer skinned actresses, are the ones who sells - in movies, and tv, modelling.. but in the 'marriage market' - not sure... i dun think guys are really into 'skin tone',.. maybe just the looks.. i am not fair-skinned myself,.. and proud of it.. .. and... i'm happily married, too.
@SViswan (12051)
• India
30 Jan 08
Here the dusky actresses sell and still people are after fair skinned brides. Anyways, I'm dusky too and happily married!
@kwenge (2487)
• Kenya
26 Jan 08
As they say, beauty is in the eyes of the beholder! someone might find dusky complexion beautiful and another prefer fair........myself am very dark in color and am getting married soon! he finds me beautiful and does not prefer fair women. Every person has got different taste......I think it is common in india because of the arranged marriages, but if they are left to choose, you might be astnoshed how people go different ways colourwise. It is the heart that matters and not physical appearance.......the inside beauty!
@pree70 (525)
• India
26 Jan 08
oh.. this is indeed a pathetic situation that we face today. being fair in the indian society means a lot, especially in the matrimonial market. just goes to show that beauty is after all only skin deep... The amount of money and time people spend in their desire to become fair is really crazy. NO wonder these fairness cream manufacturers are laughing all the way to their bank! I just hope that people see sense soon. After all, why bother so much over the colour of your skin???
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@samson1967 (7411)
• India
26 Jan 08
Now the colour descrimination is fading gradualy, fair complexon is no more importance, as money has dominated the caste, colour,creed ..... in the marriages.
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@SViswan (12051)
• India
26 Jan 08
Oh yes, I guess you are right about that one. I'm sure more dowry will be good enough to "buy" a boy even if the girl is dusky complexioned. ...or do you think the girl will have to pay more because she isn't fair complexioned? If so, it still boils down to the same thing...fair complexion is important.
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@drannhh (15219)
• United States
26 Jan 08
Since I did most of my academic research in language studies, I noticed this "complexion" issue in the different forms of literature, where desirable maidens were supposed to have "pearly white teeth" and "ruby red lips" and pale skin along with other stereotyped characteristics (tiny feet?) that no real woman ever had, especially not in those days. The said thing is that even now so many women ruin their health and empty their pocketbooks trying to live up to this "ideal" which really never existed. It is what we call a double standard, and you are right, it is not about race. It seems to take place within many individual races, though. Maybe it is because since scientifically the darker skin genes are dominant, society reaches out in the other direction and looks for something they can regard as more rare or exotic.
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@SViswan (12051)
• India
26 Jan 08
Yes, but the trend in showbiz is changing here in India...and most actresses who do not have pale skin are favoured over their pale skinned counterparts. And movies influence the people here...but I find that their attitude towards a bride's skin colour is yet to change.
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