The Catastrophic Natural Disasters~~ Just a Weird Thought Here
By pyewacket
@pyewacket (43903)
United States
May 26, 2008 11:25pm CST
Unless you've been living in a cave recently, you can't help notice that particularly within the last few years, that we nearly all over the world have been experiencing a lot more devastation and natural disasters ...from tornadoes hitting areas of the US where formerly there hardly were any or slight...the hurricanes, the earthquakes, the tsunamis..and so forth.
Now some may who are of the religious persuasion might say the end times are near....but then, the "end" times have been predicted since way back when. Every time there is some "sign" then it can be thought of the end times.
I don't particularly buy that theory though...but just wondering.
I have a lot of science background, including having studied geology...from a geological viewpoint it has been proven that the earth has gone through several major upheavals due to the changing of the magnetic poles, and from what I reckon we're kind of due for a shifting of the poles and may be in the process of it now, which could explain a lot more earthquakes activity in general. But then another thought struck me...up way yonder.
Maybe because of the recent Mars landing of Phoenix, it got me thinking...we have an awful lot of "stuff" floating up in the atmosphere...satellites, both regular communication ones and spy ones, I mean who the heck knows just how many of these things are floating around at any given time...anyway...could it be that with all these satellite gizmos flying around space and within our atmosphere and stratosphere, could these objects be affecting our weather patterns and not for the better?
I actually came up with this piece of info about satellites about just how many there are.
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.."[i]Did you know there are over eight thousand artificial objects orbiting Earth? Over 2,500 are satellites, operative and inoperative. The remaining objects are orbital debris: parts such as nosecone shrouds, lens, hatch covers, rocket bodies, payloads that have disintegrated or exploded, and even objects that "escape" from manned spacecraft during operations. .."
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This quote is from the NASA website itself..
http://science.nasa.gov/realtime/
Thing is...that is the government issued released info...like...since when do we trust what the govt says..LOL--there could be more flying objects than what is estimated here
Okay, maybe I'm just rattling here...but it's just one of those ideas that struck me for some reason...like in other words with all this "crap" we've purposely put up into space and is flying around us...are we then guilty that all this may have been having the effects of changing our weather patterns and creating all the natural disasters we've been having more recently?
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@highflyingxangel (9225)
• United States
27 May 08
Wow I actually knew what you were talking about when you mentioned shifting of poles. I actually did learn something in geology surprisingly! It wasn't a worthless class.
Anyway, I think we as humans are rather careless and just want to shove as much crap as we can up there and just forget about it. It very well could be our fault. The general population probably wouldn't want to admit that though because they can't do any wrong.
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
27 May 08
Glad to meet a fellow geologist...LOL. I think we can blame ourselves for a lot of what's wrong with our earth now...we really have taken it for granted for too long and have abused it no end...and even though so many are now more "aware" and trying to be eco-friendly, it is too little too late??
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@highflyingxangel (9225)
• United States
27 May 08
I've always wondered if it were too late myself. People are starting to jump on the green 'bandwagon' but really, is starting to be green now really going to solve any of the problems that we have?
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
28 May 08
Yes, more and more people are jumping on the "go green" bandwagon...but something like this should have been done about thirty years ago at least, and EVERYONE involved...not just a few conscientious people
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@faith210 (11224)
• Philippines
27 May 08
Hi pyewacket! Anything could be possible! Those flying objects could be one of the factors that has been affecting the climate change and creating all the natural disasters. Who really knows? It may be not the main culprit but definitely it somehow affecting mother earth. Of course, we won't have the real truth behind that. However, I guess each and everyone of us has somehow contributed in creating the natural disasters. Like for instance, people throwing garbage in the ocean, oil spilling, deforestation or illegal logging within the forest and mountains and so on. Look, I am no expert but maybe my two cents count somehow. haha..
Take Care and God Bless! Celebrate Life! 
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
28 May 08
Yes, mankind certainly hasn't been very nice on how he's treated this earth..for too long we as a species have taken advantage of it....now we're paying the price, don't you think?
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@faith210 (11224)
• Philippines
28 May 08
Hi pyewacket! Yes, I do agree with that thought. We are paying now the price of our irresponsibility and carelessness. I just hope it is not yet too late and I hope all people will be aware and do his/her share in caring for our earth.
Take Care!
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@Lakota12 (42600)
• United States
27 May 08
never thought of it this way but you may be right so how do you go about cleaning up space to get rid of all the stuff that dont need to be up there.
BUt then all these things happen all the time we now have the news to keep us up on it where years ago we didnt hav it this good.
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
28 May 08
I have no idea how we would go about cleaning up all that debris we've created up in space. You would think when they've had those Space Shuttle missions, they could have somehow cleaned some of it up..no?
@Aussies2007 (5336)
• Australia
27 May 08
Nope... space debris and satellites have nothing to do with it.
Climate change due to pollution does.
When you alter the balance... rather than having constant mild weather... you get extreme weather.
For instance rather than having some mild rain for six months of the year... you get a drought... and then you get a violent storm with a downpour giving you two months worth of rain in 48 hours. As a result you get inondations and massive damages.
Tornadoes form over the ocean because of extreme temperatures difference. The more extreme the more violent is the tornado.
Teutonic plates moves up and down in relation to their weight... which causes earthquakes from the friction between plates.
When the glaciers on top of the mountains melt due to climate change... the water from the glacier run into the river system to finish in the ocean.
The plate supporting the mountain raise up as the weight has got lighter since the glacier melted. While the plate supporting the ocean sink as it has the extra water of the glaciers.
This is only some basic ideas. There are many other reasons for earthquakes and violent weather.
For instance a major contributor to the weather pattern are the cold and warm current under the oceans. If the ice pole melted completely... it would be the end of the world... because the poles are the source of the cold currents under the ocean.
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@Aussies2007 (5336)
• Australia
28 May 08
If you have an heavy duty science background... you would know that only planets and stars have gravity... not objects like satellites.
And to affect the gravity of Earth... you would need another planet near by with a bigger gravity than Earth. The only thing which could affect Earth is our Sun.
Or a large enough meteorite crashing into Earth could affect its axle or change its orbit trajectory around the sun... but not its gravity.
Also remember that those satellites are outside the gravity pull of the Earth. As soon as they get too low... earth's gravity makes them fall and crash to earth.
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
28 May 08
Aussie I do happen to have a heavy duty science background myself and know all the "scientific" reasons behind natural phenomena...the point I'm suggesting maybe is this.
all those satellites and debris crap we have floating around up in space could be affecting the gravitational system --the only reason the satellites do float around space is due to the gravitational effect of our earth....but with so much crap up there that we've sent up, I'm just thinking it could be affecting the stability of gravity itself creating a chain or domino type effect, thus even affecting the air currents in our atmosphere, thus accelerating and creating more situations for many of our natural disasters....like more tornadoes, hurricanes and such
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@TriciaW (2441)
• United States
27 May 08
That my friend is an interesting thought. It could very well be. There are so many changes I keep telling people that some day the south will probably be cold and here in Nebraska we will have the heat. Well one can only hope*L* This winter didn't seem to put my theory on the right track since it was colder then it has been the last few years. It is scary though hearing all the tornados every where else when it is common for us to have them every year so they are making me a bit more nervous this year. I wish they could figure out what was going on maybe you should send your idea to the powers to be to research.
@GardenGerty (169439)
• United States
31 May 08
Winter seemed to last forever here, but it does not compare to winters I remember. I think mine was an attitude of winter
, but I would not be surprised to eventually find that we poisoned our own nest so to speak, but letting so much junk just fly around up there.
, but I would not be surprised to eventually find that we poisoned our own nest so to speak, but letting so much junk just fly around up there.@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
28 May 08
We actually had a very weird winter this past winter...hardly winter at all, and I'm here in the Big Apple where our winters can get pretty cold..below zero wind chills, snow..this past winter? Only a "dusting" of snow and rather mild--we had a longer than normal "spring" as well..usually by now we've started getting in the 80s by beginning of May...not so this time round
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@cortjo73 (6498)
• United States
27 May 08
I think that is possible. I mean, look at the pollution we have put out there and what we have done to the Ozone. We certainly have an effect on the climate from down here. Why wouldn't/couldn't we have an even bigger effect on the climate with all our man made junk that we put up there? I don't know how exactly that that would work but, I can imagine the possibility of it. We are messy and our messiness, as a whole, effects our world in little and in huge ways. And, given our ability to expand our world outward towards the stars, it has to have an effect as big out there as the effects of our messiness down here.
Thank you for making me think! I would never have considered the effect we may be having from up there. Sheesh! We need to clean our rooms before Mother Nature gets even more furious than she already is!
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
28 May 08
You know maybe it's a good thing that we are incapable of true space flight and exploring other worlds...we wind up ruining them just as we've ruined our earth...don't you think? Hey you changed your avatar...
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@cortjo73 (6498)
• United States
28 May 08
LOL! I was thinking that same thing earlier as I was responding. We were really great at destroying our world and the vast area that surrounds it. I too am glad we can't get any further to muck of other worlds.
And, yes I did change my Avatar. Minnie and Plunk sort of had a hand in cheering me on! LOL!
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@Thoroughrob (11742)
• United States
27 May 08
I do think alot of it is caused by things that are manmade. I have heard that they have things that can even control our weather. There does not seem to be evidence to back it up, but is something to consider. The government had been quoted at one time before 9/11 that the economy could get back on track, but that it would take a catastrophe or disaster to help it. We have had plenty, and that does not seem to be happening, but it does seem that there are many reasons for the weather we are having. We mess in things and maybe we are just making mother nature very mad.
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
28 May 08
For some reason that saying hit me..remember that old margarine add, where the woman says, "It's not nice to fool mother nature." Gee, with the way we've treated this earth, who knows maybe mother nature really is getting back at us. Anything is possible, no?
@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
28 May 08
Even the psychic Edgar Cayce mentioned about the polar shift
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@BarBaraPrz (51811)
• St. Catharines, Ontario
27 May 08
You might have something there... Maybe the lightning strike on the church in my neighborhood (http://www.mylot.com/w/discussions/1532467.aspx) wasn't an "act of God" but an "act of terror"... some political power bouncing a destructo ray off one of those said objects, testing out their ability to pinpoint a target... (it's a small church with some open space around it).
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
28 May 08
Sounds like science fiction there...LOL. But who knows...Look how they had to destroy that one satellite recently as it was thought it was going to crash into earth and it had very toxic materials in it, plus highly confidential info--it's a wonder it' not raining all this debris on us all the time from former satellites.
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@Kashmeresmycat (6369)
• United States
27 May 08
Good Morning Pye,...just thought I'd pop in today to say hi and let you know I'm alive and well, haha.
I don't think that the debris in space is causing this, but I do believe part of it is from cutting down the Rain Forests all over the world, which they've been doing for half a century. And if you do the math, remember when we were little and Spring was Spring, Summer was Summer and so forth. April Showers brings May flowers. Not so anymore. The seasons are all changing, and Summer is so short right now, you can blink and it's gone. Through the years I've noticed this more and more and it seemed to have started not long after they started cutting everything down. I might be wrong, but that's my theory. Good discussion Pye.
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
28 May 08
Hiya Kashmeresmycat --really glad to see you
Well whatever the heck is happening it sure is changing how our weather is...our weather here has been the opposite of where you are...we actually did have a long spring..now it's starting to really heat up and for the most part our summers have actually been longer rather than shorter. And the past two winters..like what winter? We had a very mild winter and hardly any snow this past winter...and it was really weird
Well whatever the heck is happening it sure is changing how our weather is...our weather here has been the opposite of where you are...we actually did have a long spring..now it's starting to really heat up and for the most part our summers have actually been longer rather than shorter. And the past two winters..like what winter? We had a very mild winter and hardly any snow this past winter...and it was really weird
@littleowl (7157)
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27 May 08
Hi Pye-you could have something there and if we are guilty (or should we say the governments) for doing this then they obviously must know the consequences of there actions-it is a fact that the north pole is melting which is going to cause more floods and meaning that the sea is going to have more room so certain places will be under water all over the world but I do intend to agree with you that it probably is our faults too for all these dramtic changes-and I don't beleieve about 'the end times'theory either-your friend littleowl
@thebeaddoodler (4262)
• Lubbock, Texas
27 May 08
I'm not a scientist, but I do know that mankind's arrogance and misinterpretation of "dominion" causes an upheaval in natural balance. Whether this imbalance is the cause of the increase in natural disasters has been debated by scientists all my life (and that's a while), but it just seems to be common sense that anything that subverts nature, whether it's pollution, or space debris could possibly cause nature to revolt.
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
28 May 08
We've done a lot of harm to our world haven't we..and I can't agree with you more about the concept that we've had this "dominion" thing over our world and everything on it, instead of being nurturers and caregivers to our earth instead
@aplaza (630)
• Netherlands
27 May 08
We now have cnn and 24/7 news coverage. There was a time when news wasn't getting to us all that fast in comparison. Although I agree that pollution may play a small role in some weather conditions I truly do not believe that we are getting more of whatever is going in your part of the world at the moment.
There have always been earthquakes in particularly susceptible parts of the earth. Just because plates in the earth's crust move about doesn't mean it's caused by us. You don't have to be a scientist to realise that a nice fat quake and a couple of after shocks will one day be the cause of a tsunami. It doesn't stretch the imagination too far to realise that it's nobody's fault if a volcano explodes. It was there for a zillion years anyways.
But I won't be surprised if NASA forgets to shoot down an old sattelite that's served it's purpose and bits of it will hit me. But hey that's a price I'm willing to pay considering I'm able to talk to you folks here, right now, at this moment in time, today!
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@GardenGerty (169439)
• United States
31 May 08
It sounds possible, and plausible to me. Actually makes some sense, and we are all the time finding out that things we have considered " harmless" are downright deadly. I wonder how we fix this fine mess? We keep on doing what we are doing and getting the same old thing we have been getting.
@polachicago (18716)
• United States
28 May 08
I would rather blame Experimental Weather Modification Program.
Read this:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=2423
Officials from China said that they will guarantee no rain during Olympics....What is this telling us?
@sumofalltears (3988)
• United States
28 May 08
Interesting thought, but I don't see how it could have any affect on our weather. Weather is a function of solar and lunar activity combined with our gravitational forces. The space junk would have to change something in one of those areas for it to be a factor.
I do however see space junk as being a more direct problem because eventually it all will fall back to earth and possibly cause damage that way.
@theprogamer (10532)
• United States
27 Jun 08
Humanity could always take said crap down from the orbit. I think that'd be rather nice... oh wait...! 
Now seriously, this isn't the first time satellites have been viewed as detrimental to the natural cycles of earth. The pole shifting contributing to more tectonic shifts is another familiar item, one spanning back several years from my recollection. There is also the possibility of weight and population on the land, but that really didn't seem as complete as other observations/hypothesis. Notice that the Earthquakes and storms are happening more frequently, and with this undersea trenches/eruptions are occuring too, some near the antarctic, others in the ring of fire area/Pacific area (of course). Pye, one thing I've noticed besides the violent quakes and storms on that side of the equation, is the unusual weather on the North American side of the equation. Tornados and violent storms were occuring in low chance areas Southern Georgia, W Virginia, Virginia. For June, its been quite precipetous to the point of flooding... the temperature is also lower than average for this point in the season. Even with all of this, there is still a significant chance that it is natural. Earth has been through some uphevals in its time and various geologic periods have had very different environments to them. Natural events themselves can have a rarity to them (supervolcanoes comes to mind).
Ah, before I destroy your eyesight with a wall of text, I'll cut it short here.
Now seriously, this isn't the first time satellites have been viewed as detrimental to the natural cycles of earth. The pole shifting contributing to more tectonic shifts is another familiar item, one spanning back several years from my recollection. There is also the possibility of weight and population on the land, but that really didn't seem as complete as other observations/hypothesis. Notice that the Earthquakes and storms are happening more frequently, and with this undersea trenches/eruptions are occuring too, some near the antarctic, others in the ring of fire area/Pacific area (of course). Pye, one thing I've noticed besides the violent quakes and storms on that side of the equation, is the unusual weather on the North American side of the equation. Tornados and violent storms were occuring in low chance areas Southern Georgia, W Virginia, Virginia. For June, its been quite precipetous to the point of flooding... the temperature is also lower than average for this point in the season. Even with all of this, there is still a significant chance that it is natural. Earth has been through some uphevals in its time and various geologic periods have had very different environments to them. Natural events themselves can have a rarity to them (supervolcanoes comes to mind).
Ah, before I destroy your eyesight with a wall of text, I'll cut it short here.
@twallace (2675)
• United States
28 May 08
To not notice the things that have been happening is to like having a blind eye to everything. Right now i know for sure that more things will began to happen in the years to come. The natural disasters are just letting people know that life is not controlled by mankind. But a higher force that is in control of everything.
@jer31558 (3683)
• United States
27 May 08
Isn't it possible that all that debris could be affecting the moons magnetic pull upon the earth? If you place something in between two magnets their pull upon each other is lessoned and if that object is thick enough it is negated completely. I have no idea what I am talking about but just thought I would make up something.
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