What's the difference between 'voter registration fraud' & 'election fraud'?

Rush Limbaugh brought up a good point today. As usual. He said that all of the extra registrations are affecting the polls. If a district or state has so many more Dems registered to vote, then the pollsters will ask more Dems to participate in the Questions. So it makes it seem that The Obama is ahead. This is why I don't care about polls. They are the MSM's "Jedi Mind Trick". I have always looked at them the same way a 6th grade teacher sees a pop quiz. It's main purpose is to let the teacher know what she needs to work on. What areas she needs to concentrate more effort on. So it is with the MSM. "Oh, people still believe that Obama is connected to Ayers? We need to A)Vilify the messenger. B)send out the counter message. C)Distract the peasants with something shiny." But I think this is going to backfire on them. Because,what they never count on is all of the Conservatives. (As many as 53% of Americans describe themselves as Conservative.)WE are not as stupid as the MSM's target demographic. WE ARE the Control Group. WE don't need to stand on street corners to register and harass people. And WE usually stay quiet until Election Day. We who post on Forums and have blogs are really in the minority. Most of the Cons just watch and listen and say nothing. Waiting for the Day that they can speak the loudest. And besides, this is what we are up against, I love this Bit. It has over a Quarter of a million hits and 79 Video Responses in two days. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyvqhdllXgU

'Voter registration fraud' & 'election fraud' certainly are one and the same. I watched a spokesperson say otherwise on TV and just wanted to ask him if he was stupid or thinks we are? 'Voter registration fraud' is a subset of various behaviors that could be called 'election fraud'. That supposedly intelligent persons can go on TV and say they aren't without being challenged on it shows that the MSM is now practically worthless except as a propaganda tool. As to the lack of charges or jail time or fines for the 'Voter registration fraud', it all has to do with race and the intimidation that arises from fear of race riots. It is time to enforce the law. The consequences of not enforcing the law are going to be more serious than the consequences of enforcing the law. Those who resort to violence should be dealt with according to the law. Elected officials should not let fear of riots keep them from enforcing the law. Americans will support the enforcement of the election laws of the USA while simutanously turning against those who resort to violence. Enforce election fraud laws now.

Oh a disclaimer, one of these days I will write a disclaimer that goes "The view expressed in these thread is solely the views of a liberty love, tax hating woman that just wants to live her live with her husband the way they choose without a government official telling them what to do." Now onto the matter at hand. 1. Can someone please explain to me why felony fraud charges shouldn't apply? You know that I cannot nor would I try, because felony fraud charges should apply. 2. If these progressive activists cannot PROVE that they met the residency requirements to request an absentee ballot: Should fines apply? Should jail time apply? Should these individuals forever lose their right to vote? Yes on all accounts. Fines should be based, in my opinion, on how much taxpayer money went to the activist, and how much taxpayer money it took to fix their fraud. Jail time because they violated the most sacred part of democracy, honest election and every vote counts. If my vote is canceled out by some one's fraudulent vote, then never was the election fare nor was every vote made to count. 3. Does this make you question how far reaching this type of fraud is in this Obama/McCain election? And, do you trust that the Secretaries of State will be able to pull it together to provide the voter with a bona fide fair election? Well yes it does make me question the election. My trust is shaken when I hear that a Secretary of State from a battleground state did not want to go through all of these new questionable voter registrations. 4. Any other thoughts on this? Yes, Democrats talk about how George W. Bush was selected not elected. Well as far as I can see it Barack Obama was selected by the Democrat powers that be, and is fast on his way to be come the first African-American to steal the Presidency.

Felony fraud charges should apply, and those conveniently out of the country should be flagged and picked as they return. Let's put Homeland Security to some good use here. If these activists cannot prove there residency then they should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. I look forward to reading about the civil suits against them filed by the voters who claim they were disenfranchised by this and their rights violated. The awards should leave these clown forever and irretrievably destitute. I think that this is very far reaching in this election... I further believe that this was attempted in the last two elections and despite the rampant fraud on the part of the democrats they still lost. They are attempting to steal this election. Democrats will stop at nothing to see their socialist agenda realized. I think it is far too late to ensure a fair election at this point. The damage has been done. I have a lot of other thoughts concerning the democrats, and their neocon buddies... but I can't put them here.

Well if you had compulsory voting this would be much harder to do as everyone would be registered to vote once they turned 18 and their electorate would change if they moved but to vote in a different state they would actually have to register a change of address well before the election. It seems to me that this could only be voter fraud if these people were voting under fake names and trying to vote twice. Maybe I just do not understand your election system but in Australia it could only be voter fraud if the person was trying to vote twice in different places and using fake names to do so. We have electoral roles for the entire country and voter registration must be done months before the election. You only get one ballot paper. Absentee votes are quite common as people cannot guarantee that they will be home on the day of election so they apply for absentee votes ahead of time. These are much harder to fake as only one vote for this person will be counted. You say that there are new people being registered but how do you know that these people are not just first time voters as your system does not seem to keep electoral roles of all eligible voters in the country. How can you possibly know that they are voting twice?

This, I think, is more complicated than it appears on the surface. I think we have all been aware that some of this has been going on for years. I grew up in Chicago, where the political mantra is "Vote early, vote often!" What bothers me is the extent and the blatant way that they are "massaging" their interpretation of the law and the level to which they are organized. But why should we be surprised? The problem is the apathy of our society. We have allowed it for so long that it was inevitable that it would evolve into this level of sophistication. Its the frog in the frying pan. It gets a little worse and we don't act. So it gets worse, and we don't act. Until one day it is out of control. Much like the pervasiveness of socialist ideology that is permeating our country. 20 years ago people like Pelosi and Obama and others would have stuck out like sore thumbs. Criminal activities like stealing documents from the National Archives like Sandy Berger did would have caused outrage. We have come to ignore the transgressions of those that we feel will benefit ourselves. What ever happened to the idea "Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country." We have turned that idea inside out. Now, its, "Ask not only what your country can do for you, ignore the transgressions of those that promise to give it to you." The ray of hope in this story is that much of this reporting as come from college students, COLLEGE STUDENTS! What is usually the bastion of liberalism and amoral behavior, has produced a group of students, apparently a well organized group of students who are acting in a socially responsible way. They have done as outstanding job of gathering the facts and reporting the news. Tiffany would seem to have a bright future in TV Journalism, if any of the networks will hire a clear thinking person like her. So to answer your questions: 1. I am not sure if registration fraud is considered a felony. I know that the exercise of that vote is. It reminds me of a lesson I learned many years ago in a college law class. I have the right to swing my arms, until my right infringes with your face. The point being that the registration may not be fraud but the vote is. But I don't know the law well enough to know that for sure. 2. Again, I don't know what the OH law states. I would imagine that their intention is important in making that decision. At the VERY least, all of those registrations should be thrown out and if they can't get it sorted out by election day, I would consider either disallowing OH from the election or delaying their vote. I know that is an extreme response, but the very fabric of our system is in the balance. There needs to be a firm and clear message sent that this behavior WILL NOT BE TOLERATED. PERIOD! It would make these groups think twice about doing this again. 3. I tend to be optimistic. I think that this has the potential to bring this kind of activity into the light. That's when REAL change occurs. 4.I think that we should elevate registration fraud to a higher level of infraction. One that would include, large fines, jail time and loss of voter privileges. Thanks again Lady, for an intriguing discussion.