How do you persuade people ?
By alokn99
@alokn99 (5717)
India
October 29, 2008 1:03am CST
What are the ways you use to persuade people or choose to be an effective arguer ?
Try and look at it from the routes that Aristotle described
Those being;
Ethos: Using reputation,expertise, and credibility in other words positioning yourself as an expert.
Pathos: By using emotions
Logos: - By using evidence, accepted truths or first hand experience.
How effective a persuader are you ?
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5 responses
@mimpi1911 (25464)
• India
29 Oct 08
Alok
Effective argument has to be persuasive and we all employ something or the other that Aristotle said. Pathos, Ethos and Logos - great interpretation of human behavioral patterns!
If you ask me, I am more of the kind who would go by evidences, experiences, incidents to support my argument. I like upright people an righteousness has largely to do with truth in evidences. Ethos, is good but not convincing always. I have found people behaving differently, quite opposite than their supposed trait. So ethos many times do not follow any rule. Specially in today's context when we are susceptible to greed of material. Pathos is not my thing. I mean pathos is good but I donot want to use it as a persuasive instrument. It might have bitter results! I personally do not like people who use their overwhelming emotions as a weapon. Being very emotional myself, I know it's hard to compartmentalise emotions with arguments. But I feel, its better not to bring it while persuading.
So, I would like to go by logos and would want others whom I am interacting with to do the same. It's more convincing than the rest. That's how I feel. But there might be so many intricacies which went onto the classification and if you could give more detailed explanation, I might well change me mind.
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@alokn99 (5717)
• India
29 Oct 08
Our personal experiences is to a large extent what determines our behavioural patterns when it come to the selection of the above. While we cannot say that we use only one method, they do stand out more than the others.
I do agree with your views ,especially on the ethos front. Most of use prefer the logos methodology, we invariably get drawn into the pathos types depending upon the people we are persuading. In fact pathos may seem to work quite convincingly if used with people you are very close with. It may not be a very preferred technique as it is then used against us , but one cannot put away its effectiveness.
Logos is the way to be Mimpi, but keep the benefits of the Pathos in mind. You will surely find this a most effective technique to persuade some.
Take for example, if you want someone to kick a habit. Although the Logos serves its purpose well here, the pathos in combination with the logos is sure a deadly combination.
There are of course a number of other situations and one can go on and on.
Thanks for this it's superbly put.
@mimpi1911 (25464)
• India
29 Oct 08
Oh yes, I agree. The whole analysis gets changed when it comes to our personal persuasions. And as you have rightly said, pathos and also ethos take over largely. I would most definitely go by my friend's reputation and credibility and also his emotions, isn't it? Logo might very well take the back seat then. But, generally, I am more driven by logos. I am the kind who would not exploit others emotionally. That could be a crude way to put it but its true. I am very emotional when comes to my loved ones, which is when, the table might turn the other way round completely.
The combination of logos and pathos, as you have said is the right way to have it but don't you think we are more drawn towards ethos GENERALLY speaking? We are highly driven by what we read, what we know, what others have to say about a public figure. Reputation is very important in such cases.
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@alokn99 (5717)
• India
29 Oct 08
We are no doubt driven by ethos mimpi. But i feel that is upto a point and moreso with public figures. Somewhere this ethos changes when when our opinion of people change whether it be due to their own actions or as we get to know more about them directly or indirectly. Then we prefer the logos way and get influenced by the pathos.
And yes, one should use the emotions in our persuaion for the exploitation of others or to lead others the wrong way. It should be for the right reasons.
This certainly is a very interesting subject Mimpi and if we were to go on deeper into persuasion and convincing one another, I wonder what methodology we would get into ?


@James72 (26790)
• Australia
29 Oct 08
Aristotle's examples are certainly extremely valid, no question. But to add a little Einstein into the mix (albeit on a different tangent!) I believe it all comes down to relativity and engagement on whatever levels possible. Nobody can ever be persuaded effectively if they are unable to relate to you in any way. For me personally, persuasion is about putting yourself in the other pserson's shoes. You need to think like they do, act like they do and in a sense become them. Once you have managed to create yourself as a mirror image of them, then the outlines provided by Aristotle become remarkably easier to put into action.
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@alokn99 (5717)
• India
29 Oct 08
James, The relativity concept is most definitley there and without it the peruasion may seem to be blah , blah blah and someone just rattling off and you not paying attention to it.
At the same time the relativity is ways is also connected to the pathos principle and does bring about your sympaties,empathies and imagination into play.
Thanks for the response James, the different tangent was most welcome asit made a lot of sense.
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@dpk262006 (58679)
• Delhi, India
29 Oct 08
I do not consider myself a very effective persuader, I lack this quality to persuade people, I can make them understand or explain something but if I see that they are adament, I do not press further. If at all, I have to adopt, I'll adopt the third choice i.e. Logos, I would try to convince a person through examples and evidences and with my own experiences.
@pehpot (4762)
• Philippines
31 Oct 08
I have been to sales before and it really is hard to persuade people, specially telling them to buy things that are not on the budget, but I learned along the way that the best way to persuade is based on how your client thinks. when your client is more on the objective type, give facts and details but when a client is the more subjective type, attack their emotion.
@Shavkat (141906)
• Philippines
11 Nov 12
Some people are so persuasive, the manner of not having limitations. We should be sensitive enough if we are beyond borders to other people. In fact, we can not control everything.







