William Ayers and Timothy McVeigh

@ParaTed2k (22940)
Sheboygan, Wisconsin
November 26, 2008 12:43pm CST
In the defense of Obama and the accusations of a friendship with domestic terrorist William Ayers, I think the real point of William Ayers was completely lost. So lets take Obama out of the equation and look at who William Ayers really is... That is, he was the Timothy McVeigh of his generation. Ayers and McVeigh might seem to have little in common, but the reality is, they are two peas in a pod. The biggest difference is, where Ayers failed, McVeigh succeeded. Both were acting for the very same reasons.. that is, they felt that the US government had become so corrupt that armed revolution was the only course left. They each justified their actions the same way. Today (to the total shame of academia in the US) William Ayers is a respected professor. He is a hero to the left for the exact reasons Timothy McVeigh is a villain. If McVeigh were given a life sentence and paroled in 20 or so years, got a degree and worked towards a professorship, could tomorrows college students be sitting in a classroom taking notes from Prof. McVeigh? Why not? The kids and grandkids of the people that Ayers wanted to kill could be sitting in the terrorist's classroom today.
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• United States
27 Nov 08
I agree. While Timothy McVeigh is hated because he killed a lot of people, William Ayers is now a respected teacher. Why? Because he failed to actually kill an innocent people. But his intent was still there. He is just as dangerous and so are his ideas. How he is respected much less allowed around our next generation is beyond me.
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
27 Nov 08
True, Ayers was incompetent as a terrorist, but he was still a terrorist. Now the taxpayers of Illinois pay him to poison the minds of students.
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
27 Nov 08
Terrorism doesn't mean killing. He was and is a terrorist and in that he deserves to be treated as one.
@spalladino (17891)
• United States
27 Nov 08
Lil, the Weathermen blew up a statue (twice) and set off small bombs at night when there was less of a chance of hurting anyone. I do agree that they could have hurt/killed someone but they chose the time of night for a reason. As far as how he can be a respected teacher...consider where he teaches.
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@jerzgirl (9384)
• United States
26 Nov 08
With all due respect, Ted, but you have got to be kidding!!! Ayers never killed anyone!! McVeigh's full intent was not only to kill, but to do it on the anniversary of another incident between individuals and the Feds. The W.U. made sure their actions were known and took ownership of them. McVeigh hid like the coward he was. The people who founded this nation were the terrorists of their day in the eyes of England. Those who were caught were executed. I don't see much difference. Israelis under Great Britain's rule committed acts of terrorism against Great Britain including bombings and assassinations to gain independence, yet we view them as one of our staunchest allies even as those THEY now control do the same things to them. I just don't see any parallels between McVeigh and Ayers. Not at all.
@jerzgirl (9384)
• United States
26 Nov 08
Oh - and in case anyone thinks these events preceded my maturity, I've been an adult since the '70s. I was around when these things took place, including Kent State.
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
27 Nov 08
"I don't see much difference." It was this part that I was reacting to.
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
27 Nov 08
A terrorist doesnt' have to kill to be a terrorist. Ayers was a terrorist in every definition of the word. You say that McVeigh was a coward for hiding out instead of standing up for his actions... Ayers hid out for YEARS. The only reason he wasn't convicted was the cops tainted the evidence against him... not because he was not guilty. But instead of being treated like the terrorist Ayers is, he gets a highly respected position in academia... an institution that more and more seems to be anti American in the first place. He deserves no respect or defense... he deserves what he made of his pathetic little terrorist life. But let me add this... Thank you for clarifying your position. It didn't make me change my mind about the cowardly clod, but it reminded me that yes, you and I usually have better feelings about each othter.
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@anniepa (27955)
• United States
27 Nov 08
I have to agree with my friend jerzgirl on this, Ted. Comparing Ayers with Timothy McVeigh is a bit of a stretch. I'm not defending Ayers, or at least the man he was 40 years ago, but McVeigh was a total monster and a coward. He chose to blow up that federal building knowing there was a daycare center full of children in it and then he hid. I don't believe we're still discussing Ayers! Annie
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
27 Nov 08
Ayers was a terrorist in every definition of the term. Terrorism isnt' just about killing.
@anniepa (27955)
• United States
2 Dec 08
Taskr, I must respectfully disagree with you on this. Again, I'm not defending Ayers or what he did or wanted to do forty years ago but there IS a difference and there's such a thing as degrees of guilt. If he had had the same goals as McVeigh he wouldn't have bombed those buildings at night when there was nobody there. McVeigh chose to do it when all those people were there working and all those children were in the daycare center. That IS worse! Also, not to condone Ayers actions at all but he and his group were opposed to the Vietnam war, as were many other Americans, so he had a "cause". What was McVeigh's cause or more to the point what was his gripe with all those innocent people? Annie
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
27 Nov 08
Terorism isn't defined by how good you are at it. McVeigh had better training than Ayers, but their goals and motivations were the same.
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
26 Nov 08
Wow, you're right. McVeigh was just one prosecutorial misconduct away from becoming a college professor and family friend to a future president. Imagine that. I guess it's just so much easier for liberals to ignore such things when it happened before they reached adulthood.
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@xfahctor (14113)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
11 Dec 08
I must first say I see a good many people saying ayers did not actualy kill anyone himself. Well, neither did Bin laden. I must also say I observe people saying that the weather underground never intended to kill people. BULL, they intended to and DID kill people. A few durring an armored car robbery. And when you place a bomb near a gas line of a home and other bombs near the homes exits and there are people home, including a child, you intenend to kill people. When you build bombs that contain nails, an anti personal tactic, you intend to kill people. Ayers is as much a terrorist as McViegh, Bin laden, Al Nasria and Ted Kasinski and here is simply no way to spin, euphempize or justify it.
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
11 Dec 08
It doesn't surprise me at all that the left defends Ayers. Liberals love, not kill, so Ayers can't be so bad.
@spalladino (17891)
• United States
27 Nov 08
Oh my, where to begin. I know, how about here. Timothy McVeigh killed 168 people and injured 450 others...he also wanted to assassinate individual people. Bill Ayers and the Weathermen didn't kill anyone, other than a few of their own members while assembling a nail bomb. Timothy McVeigh set off a 5,000lb bomb in front of a building he knew was filled with people and his intent was to kill as many of them as he could. The Weathermen targeted property, setting off small bombs at night. Timothy McVeigh's motivation was revenge, for Waco and Ruby Ridge, and hatred of the Federal Government. As far as I know, he had no personal reasons for his hatred. Bill Ayers and the Weathermen, on the other hand, were a radical anti-war organization during a time of great civil unrest in this country. I do not approve of their actions, however, I do know (because I was there) that the young people in this country were angry, frustrated and SCARED because the body bags were arriving daily and there was no end to the war in Viet Nam in sight. As far as teaching...what could Timothy McVeigh possibly have to teach anyone? He was an ignorant, unfeeling murder. I don't know what Ayers teaches but I'm pretty sure it's not Bomb Making 101 and, if you're concerned about his philosophy, you should take a look at what else they're teaching on that campus.
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
27 Nov 08
The bomb that went off early and killed members of the Weather Underground WAS intended to kill people. Luckily the scum just took themselves off the earth instead of killing others. That is incompetence. Yes, both are terrorists, no their acts didn't have the same outcome... but neither deserve a respected place in our society. Nor do those who respect them.
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
27 Nov 08
Glad we can agree at times. :~)
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@spalladino (17891)
• United States
27 Nov 08
And, in that sense, we agree!
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@suspenseful (40192)
• Canada
27 Nov 08
Sometimes a person can be a terrorist and lack the opportunity to bomb buildings, and do damage. It is just luck that Ayers never got to go to prison. Had he had the means to put his words in action, he would have been in the same place that McVeigh is now.
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
27 Nov 08
True. It is a historic irony that the ONLY reason Ayers wasn't sent to prison for his crimes was actions of the police that he hated. lol