Useless Eustace
By p1kef1sh
@p1kef1sh (45681)
January 9, 2009 1:59pm CST
I saw a comment from a friend in another discussion that got me wondering. I am often told that men are useless and women long suffering, or variations on that theme. So, am I, as a male, useless? Do women have the edge? Am I a useless Eustace by dint of my gender?
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@nannacroc (4049)
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9 Jan 09
Ok, you've got me. Some men are useless Eustaces, my daughter lives with one. The truth is, in the main, womens capabilities and mens capabilities complement each other. Men and women can cope in the same way with the same tasks if necessary.
I do think I've turned into someone else.
If you tell anyone about this answer you will be croc food on Sunday.

@p1kef1sh (45681)
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9 Jan 09
Help me up please. Nanna are you unwell, shall I call a doctor (Call him what?). You've spent months telling me that I know my place, women are superior, more able, competent. Just as I nearly started to wear a skirt......... Oh well. Good job Mr Croc's not about eh? I'll send you a soppy kiss, that'll get you back to normal.
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@Rosekitty (19368)
• San Marcos, Texas
9 Jan 09
P1ke..I would never say men are useless unless all they do is lay around on the couch..
There are so many things that i can't do and always wish i was a man so they could get done..Going to get my magic wand and poof myself..
@dorypanda (1601)
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9 Jan 09
There's probably some kind of use for men.............we just don't know what it is yet.;)
Errrm, is it to serve as bad examples?Actually, men are good at errrrm......putting up shelves and errrrm, going to the shed and doing barbecues and errrrrm, I'm sure there's something else too.
@dorypanda (1601)
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9 Jan 09
I have no idea why this one posted after the other one, I thought the other one hadn't posted, sorry for doing this twice.
@DonnaLawson (4032)
• United States
10 Jan 09
Dory, I did the exact same thing just a couple of minutes ago, two responses and me looking like an idiot, oh well, looks can't be all that deceiving.. Maybe a Mylot glitch going on here..
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@dawnald (85137)
• Shingle Springs, California
9 Jan 09
ha ha ha you got me back.
And now the serious-ish response. Men have their uses. Women have theirs. The problem is not understanding each other. Kind of like the Middle East. End profound analogy.

@thebohemianheart (8827)
• United States
9 Jan 09
I think it is wrong to generalize like that. Not ALL men are useless, and not ALL women are long suffering. And, as for you being useless, I know you, I know the things you do for others. YOu are definitely NOT useless
*L* There is a town in this area called Euless. Useless Eustas is what people call the town.
@thebohemianheart (8827)
• United States
9 Jan 09
You bring many smiles here, pike*S*
No kidding, Irish.

@DoriLentrich (1016)
• United States
10 Jan 09
Nobody is useless because of their gender or anything else about them. Stereotypes are useful tools, but they're often overgeneralizations based on the perspective of the person using them. Yes, women like to sometimes play the victim and make men out to be the bad guys. But the fact of the matter is that people are only useless if they choose not to make use of the talents they possess. They can do that regardless of gender, class, race, ethnic heritage, religion, etc.
The trend to diminish men has grown in the past few decades as an extreme outgrowth on the feminist movement. As a feminist, I find this deplorable. For centuries women were diminished to the point of absurdity and now some are turning around and doing the same thing. If people want equality, then they have to be fair to all parties. That's both sides.
Do women have an edge? Depends. Do men have an edge? Depends. What are we talking about? There's an old saying that if women ruled the world there would be no war. Apparently, the people saying that have never seen two women at a party in the same dress. Women are prey to the same downfalls as men. Men are prey to the same downfalls as men.
Historically, the burden on women has been tough. They had limited if any rights, they were used as chattel, and expected to contribute to their husband's or family's success with little or no credit. They were long-suffering. They could be abused, raped, and abandoned with no recourse. It is only in the modern era that women (in the Western world) have seen a dramatic shift in this kind of treatment. The fact that we are still in the early stages of that shift may help explain the growing pains that are being experienced. Another fact may be that depending on what part of the world you're in, a woman's lot in life changes a lot. I would much rather be a woman in the United States than one in Iran.
Realizing I've taken a light-hearted question and turned it serious, I apologize. But no man is a useless Eustace. I'm sort of fond of men because of all the useful things they can do.

@sharra1 (6340)
• Australia
11 Jan 09
I quite agree with you. I dream of a world where people are treated as people, assessed on their merit, where gender is not an issue at all.
I grew up in a chauvinist household where my father pretended I did not exist and my mother taught me to hate all men and my brother held all women in contempt. It took me years to discover that she was wrong that not all men are like that but I am still over sensitive when men mistreat women etc.
I agree that feminists went too far the other way and wish we could find a balance but I still have a sore spot that makes me aggressive if I detect any indication that a man wants to put me back in some place he thinks I should be.
As for men having an edge. If a man and a woman are doing the same job she will have to be twice as better as him to be considered equal. The business world is still run by men and many of them believe that women have no place out of the bedroom or the house.
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@p1kef1sh (45681)
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10 Jan 09
I think that the militant feminist movement, which was at a zenith in the UK before WW1 and again in the late 60s and early 70s, whilst addressing a fundamental fact, that both sexes contribute equally, rather left western society with both wins and losses. One of the latter is that men are confused about what it means to be a woman and what it is that is expected of us.
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@DoriLentrich (1016)
• United States
14 Jan 09
p1kef1sh:
How do you define "militant feminism?" Based on the years you mention, the early dates saw women looking for the (granted, shocking) right to vote. I hardly consider that militant. Especially, since women were being affected by the laws established by elected officials.
More recently, feminism has taken a more militant turn. There seems to be a sense from these women they wish the reversal of the roles. Men in the subservient and women in the dominant. It was wrong when men forced it upon women, it is wrong to do the reverse.
There is a certain amount of confusion about the gender roles that has been an outgrowth of all this. However, that is to be expected. As the roles shift and change, people will have to learn new ways of dealing with each other. The old standard still holds true, however, treat everyone with respect and you should be fine. Perhaps men should think about that before they start complaining that they don't know what women want.

@ronaldinu (12422)
• Malta
13 Jan 09
Hey p1kef1sh. I don't agree with sweeping statements such as you have made here. Even if you have intended it as a spring board for discussion I don't think that one can generalise. I do believe that both men and women can contribute a lot in the family life and even in the community.
(c) ronaldinu 2009 - the more people I meet-the more I love my dog
@sharra1 (6340)
• Australia
11 Jan 09
No one is useless because of gender. What is it with this gender problem? Why can't people just treat others as human beings and assess them on merit based on their behaviour as human beings. No offence p1ke and this is not directed to you at all but I see so many discussions here about gender issues that it really bugs me.
I grew up in a chauvinist family and a chauvinist world. I have very little super because for most of my working life employers refused to give women super as they were a waste. I had one employer who actually gave women a bonus if they left to do a proper female job but have babies or be a nurse. Not a doctor or lawyer or any proper male job but a proper girlie job.
Australia has been and still is a very sexist country and it makes me so mad that I feel like hitting something. It is changing slowly but I wonder if it will every really change. Are men born this way?
@p1kef1sh (45681)
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11 Jan 09
I don't know why Australia should be that way. Several years ago we went to some friends just before New Year. They had cousins from NZ staying. They were talking abut what they would be doing on NYE. The men made it clear that they were going out and that the women should stay home and make a nice meal for when they returned! In the small hours. To the NZ women this seemed entirely reasonable. The guys go out and women stay home. I don't get it at all either.
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@sharra1 (6340)
• Australia
11 Jan 09
Oh dear then NZ is just as bad as Australia. For some reason men in our country believe that you only spend time in a woman's company in order to get her into bed. When I was young I belonged to a group or rather the boys belonged to the group and their girlfriends followed them around in their own group and waited until the boys wanted them.
Most of them think that being romantic is smiling at the girl. They are not quite that bad any more but the tradition is still one of males having fun together not males and females. It makes me angry that they still cannot relate to women as people who are worth talking to. So sexist.
@sharra1 (6340)
• Australia
11 Jan 09
Of course they are not all like that. Not all men think that men who enjoy talking to women are strange. My partner is an example of a man who is able to appreciate women without losing his manhood. He likes women but I think that is rare in my country although it may be changing slowly.
I believe this is socialisation. People are not born thinking they are superior or inferior just because of their gender.
@GreenMoo (11833)
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11 Jan 09
Absolutely not. My dearly beloved may be incapable of locating the laundry basket or finding the milk in the fridge, but he's the one I called when I drove into a kerb the other day and burst my tyre. He's the one out there at the moment replacing the outside tap which has split due to the icy weather. He's the one who is building my house!
Now not all blokes can build a house, but I'm sure you get my drift.
The one thing I have noticed though is that men are poorer at doing multiple things at once. This is something I picked up on in the office when I employed both sexes, and it's proven itself to be true over and over again in my personal life.
@DonnaLawson (4032)
• United States
10 Jan 09
No one is useless.. No man, woman or child.. Women are born nurtureres and most men love to be nurtured but the way I was raised, the men are the breadwinners, the women the homemakers.. Only a few years back, men didn't cook nor take care of the children or the home, but in today's world, men are the house husbands, the homemakers and great cooks or chef's.. Women are the heads of household, CEO's of big corporations and everyday workers.. Things are changing but I still believe that men are the stronger more protective types and women are the ones to nurture and be softer than most men.. That is a great mix when these two come together.. Did I mix you up even more??, I hope not.. I loved the good old days when the woman stayed home to take care of the family and the man went to work, but as long as each person has a job and a part in keeping a fmaily together, then all is well..
@DonnaLawson (4032)
• United States
10 Jan 09
Irish, I wish to thank my mother and my father and my sister and my brother and my husband and my dog...
Sorry I got carried away, I have never received any kind of standing ovation..
Thanks for the response and the praise,, I appreciate it..
@p1kef1sh (45681)
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10 Jan 09
I rather like the fact that I stay home and The Boss brings home the bacon Donna. I have spent 33 years doing the traditional style where I went out, but for the past year or so I am stay home. If I hadn't have done that we would never have met and my life would be somewhat the poorer.
@DonnaLawson (4032)
• United States
10 Jan 09
I am a creature of habit, or maybe a slave to habit, is more like it.. I would love for things to be the way they were back in the "good old days", when, to me, things were easier, nicer, and the world seemed a much better place to be.. At that time, mothers stayed home and fathers went to work, so that is where my mind is stuck in a "Happy Place".. I have days that I would love to go back to the happy place but it just isn't to be.. That is not to say that your thinking is wrong, we do whatever works for us, it is only saying that my thinking is stuck in the 50's and 60's.. I worked for years as a teen and as a married adult, I enjoyed every minute of it, and wouldn't have quit and stayed home for no man.. My husband worked also and both of us shared the responsibilities of the home.. So you are doing fine, and you are a perfect compliment to your wife, it is my thinking that is having a bout of melonchoilia.. My answer was probably from a part of my mind that was so much happier during the time that I was at home and growing up with no responsibilities, worries nor concerns, that was the job of my mom and dad.. Times are different now and is is an anything goes society, which is great, but in the back of my mind, I have a notion of what I really remember as being the perfect life.. With the worries and problems that I have today, it is no wonder that I have great memories of a better place and time.. Things are changing and we can't go back to our youth, but our minds can find a happier place to visit for awhile..
@guybrush (4658)
• Australia
10 Jan 09
Men are certainly not useless. Someone has to have the dangly bit. Women don't want it - too hard to store, and there's always the risk of it falling out or doing something daft. Men are useful for all sorts of things! For instance ... ? And ... ? And other stuff, too. We need you. Okay?
@mtdewgurl74 (18151)
• United States
10 Jan 09
You, USELESS? I doubt that..
Although I do think that some men can be at times by their actions and how they live. But then that goes for the woman as well. Do woman have a edge?..Um, maybe some to a certain extent on some things. We are what we let ourselves be. I guess that is how I look at it. I am useless about somethings but I feel that I am not totally useless altogether.
Although I do think that some men can be at times by their actions and how they live. But then that goes for the woman as well. Do woman have a edge?..Um, maybe some to a certain extent on some things. We are what we let ourselves be. I guess that is how I look at it. I am useless about somethings but I feel that I am not totally useless altogether. @stephcjh (38473)
• United States
10 Jan 09
I do not go by that at all. I think there are both useless men and women just the same. It should not be gender related.
@sid556 (30953)
• United States
10 Jan 09
And mary poppins said," and altho we adore men individually, we agree that as a group they are rather stupid."
Now if you recall, Disney was famous for interjecting words of wisdom in his films. Let's not forget Bambi and the meaningful,"if you don't have nothing nice to say then say nothing at all."
I'd say we have the edge p1ke....go with that. Oh and don't take it personal. As an individual...we love ya.
@shewolf52002 (1214)
• United States
10 Jan 09
Hmmm.... To be funny or thought provoking??? Well lets see, men are most definitely not useless! They can not seem to find a blasted thing, especially their socks! but not useless.
In fact I think that much of the womens liberation movement has left men totally unsure of what their role is. Women can be anything they want mother, career person, both or neither! And she will not get much flack for it. Men on the other hand need to be sensitive, but strong.. authoratative but not bossy... nuturing but not wimpy... And the list could go on and on.
We know as women that we want and need a man in our lives on some level, but just refuse to admit it.
@p1kef1sh (45681)
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10 Jan 09
I tend to agree. I have my uses of course, but I sometimes think that there some folk who regard men as a necessary evil. Tell 'em that when it's 10 below zero and the heating is off. What better thing (other than a dog, cat, goldfish, porcupine or skunk) can there be to cuddle up to than your man?!
@Opal26 (17679)
• United States
10 Jan 09
Hey p1ke! I would never say that about my favorite fishy friend!
Just because you are of the male gender! It isn't your fault!
I don't really believe that completely that men are completely
useless! There must be something that they can be used for!
I have plenty of things that I use my boyfriend for! He does
the heavy lifting around the house and the fixing of stuff
that I can't or don't want to fix. And he is great at putting
things together! He put my computer workstation together really
quickly while I was sleeping! Now those are some great uses
for to keep a man around! What do you think p1ke?
@bamrahkirti (1821)
• India
10 Jan 09
Nobody is useless on this earth.God has sent each and every human being on earth for a purpose.Men or women become useless by their deeds not by their gender.





















