Alan Keyes Now On The Bandwagon!!

@rodney850 (2145)
United States
February 17, 2009 12:02pm CST
During the hotly contested presidential election process this past year many believed that president Obama was not only not properly vetted but didn't meet the qualifications under the constitution as being a "natural born citizen". Alan Keyes, an independant candidate for president in 2008, has now stated that there may actually be fire where all the smoke was coming from. Three questions: Do you believe America deserves a difinitive answer? What do you suppose the ramifications would be if he really isn't eligible? and finally, What is the procedure for recall if he is in fact ineligible? Here is the article in which Mr. Keyes makes his statements: http://wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=89078
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• United States
17 Feb 09
Why doesn't Obama just unseal his birth certificate and get it over with. All this stuff would just go away if he would do that. The longer he holds off the more people are going to go after him for it. Plus his refusal to do so, just make those people more convienced that he is hiding something. Enough already. Just have his lawyers show up at court with the documents and get it over with.
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@rodney850 (2145)
• United States
17 Feb 09
Lilwonders, It sure seems like it would be the best fix. The more he tries to hide this, the more it looks like he has something big to hide!
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@Destiny007 (5805)
• United States
17 Feb 09
Yes, we deserve an answer. If the 0bamunist didn't want to provide that answers, then he never should have run. His presidency and campaign would be invalidated and he would be charged with election fraud, among other things. McCain and Palin would be in their rightful place. What recall? If he isn't eligible then he can't be in that office. I imagine the Federal Marshals would be more than happy to escort this usurper to prison....if the Secret Service didn't toss him out on his ear.
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@rodney850 (2145)
• United States
17 Feb 09
Destiny, I agree totally! He is definitely hiding something although I am not sure it will be his citizenship. It will unfold to be something scandalous but I don't know if it will cost him the presidency.
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• United States
17 Feb 09
Not qualified means just that... why do you think the Supreme Court is involved... hmmm? If his campaign is found to have been illegal, then it would go to the one who actually won... that being McCain.
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@spalladino (17891)
• United States
17 Feb 09
Destiny, where in the Constitution does it address invalidating an election? There are no procedures for that nor are there any which automatically give the positions to the runners up.
@bobmnu (8157)
• United States
17 Feb 09
I don't believe that the President can be recalled only impeached by congress and Speaker Pelosi will not let that happen. If he were declared ineligible to serve as President, the Vice President would take over. I would bet my pay check that Speaker Pelosi would become VP. That is something we do not want.
@spalladino (17891)
• United States
17 Feb 09
I agree with you, Bob, that Pelosi would be the most likely candidate and that's something I wouldn't want to see happen either. Then again, Biden could appoint anyone he wanted to appoint. How many people had heard of Gerald Ford before Nixon appointed him as the V.P. after Agnew stepped down?
• United States
17 Feb 09
She would have less power as VP than as speaker of the house. Congress has more power than the VP or the president so ya it maybe a good idea.
@rodney850 (2145)
• United States
17 Feb 09
Bobmnu, Although I don't know how constitutional law reads, I tend to agree with Destiny on this one and that being that since the office was obtained illegally, his election, and anyone who ran on the ticket would be void. If I go out and commit fraud to buy a house and get caught, are they going to let me keep the house or let my spouse keep it when she had to be complicit in the crime? I don't think so and I have to believe there are contingencies for this buried somewhere in our judicial system. If in fact this lie has been perpetrated on America, the ones who have to shoulder the blame will be the MSM and their total blind worship of him instead of vetting him as they did Palin and McCain and every other presidential candidate down through history.
@irisheyes (4370)
• United States
17 Feb 09
Poor Alan Keyes, now he can never be the first African American President. Anybody who takes the time to go to the codified laws of the US and look it up will see that Barack Obama was guranteed US citizenship at his birth regardless of where he was born because his mother was a US citizen who resided in this country for at least five years. the law says nothing about the mother's majority and nothing about the other parents' citizenship. the fact that he attended school in Indonesian which doesn't apparently recognize dual citizenship doesn't matter because Indonesia can't revoke US citizenship. This who thing is a tempest in a teapot and it's ridiculous. Obama did not seal his birth certificate, the state of Hawaii did and they do it for everybody. If the president choses not to acknowledge the urban legend of the internet rumours, that's his perogative. Bottom line is he had US citizenship at birth regardless of where he was born and he himself would have had to ask for it to be revoked.
@irisheyes (4370)
• United States
18 Feb 09
Lilwonders: A parent cannot renouce US citizenship for their child and the US allows dual citizenship for that child until they are 18 and make their own decision to renounce their citizenship.
@rodney850 (2145)
• United States
17 Feb 09
Irisheyes, Actually the law at the time of Obama's birth stated that the mother or father must have been a natural born citizen of the US and have resided in the US for at least 5 years AFTER their 18th birthday. Since she was not even 20 she would not have qualified under this statute and that being so, Barack would not qualify to be president.
• United States
17 Feb 09
Indonesia can't revoke US citizenship. But neither country recongizes dual citizenships. Infact Indonsia forbids it and will not grant citizenship to anyone unless they do revoke their citizenship to the other country. I did not know about this until I looked it up. THey have some of the toughest immigration and citizenship laws I have seen. They will not even allow for an adoption that could cause a dual citizenship. I do not know what they have against it. But these laws have been in place longer an Obama has been alive. So if he really did become a Indonesian citizen then there is a good chance his mother revoked his citizenship. It is all really murky and confusing and to the average person it would not mean a thing...but we are talking about the President of the united states and their are special laws in place for that job. But I do not know if all the rumors are true.Ifd he really is a natural citizen of this country. Heck I have heard that he was really born in Kenya and his mother lied on his birth certificate. Who knows. But I do think we need to find out.
@Aussies2007 (5336)
• Australia
18 Feb 09
I do find all this very childish. I would have thought that the people in power would verify his eligibility before the election. And what about all the candidates which were in the race against him. Don't you think they would want to know that sort of pity detail before the election? Even more interesting... Mr Keyes... a black American trying to hurt the presidency of the first black American. How convenient! How rich! Now... What's the name of the White b.stard who's paying Mr Keyes to stir the pot?
• Australia
19 Feb 09
No... I am saying Mr Keyes got sh.t for brain and he is betraying his people who have fought 40 years to achieve equality.
• United States
18 Feb 09
So you are saying Blacks can't think for themselves? That borders on being a racist statement.
@spalladino (17891)
• United States
17 Feb 09
Yes, I believe that we deserve a difinitive answer to this question, which has been left unanswered for too long. The ramifications would be that Obama would be charged with election fraud and impeachment procedings would be followed. If he is impeached as President, the Vice President would become the President according to the 25th. Amendment. Biden would then appoint someone to replace him as Vice President. http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.amendmentxxv.html There is no porcedure, as far as I've been able to find, to recall an election in this country. Once elected and after Congress has certified the Electoral votes, a President can only be removed from office by Impeachment, or by his resignation.
• United States
18 Feb 09
Actually, all it takes is for the Supreme Court to rule that the 0bamunist was ineligible to run. The eligibility clause plainly states the requirements. If it is found that the 0bamunist ran and wasn't eligible, then it would void his campaign and subsequent win. Since there were only 4 points separating the candidates... it is not too much of a stretch to believe that the only remaining candidate would be declared the winner. The 0bamunist could have avoided all of this simply by providing the proof that he claims he has... instead, he hired several law firms in order to keep that information hidden.... including his school records and nearly everything else that holds any clues to his status. Now his attorneys are threatening everyone seeking the information that would either prove or disprove his eligibility. There is no privacy issue involved here at all... I had to provide a birth certificate for my last employer.... so there is no excuse for him not to provide that information to us... who are his employers.
@spalladino (17891)
• United States
18 Feb 09
No, Rodney, you misread my comment to Destiny. I have posted several times that the 25th Amendment very clearly states what steps would be taken if a sitting President is removed from office due to impeachment or resignation. Destiny's belief that the office would go to McCain by default is incorrect as there are no provisions for declaring a finalized election as invalid in the Constitution, just as there are no provisions for a Do Over. In order for either of those things to happen, a new Amendment would have be be written and voted on. My point was that since the Constitution already has valid steps in place, I don't believe that the Democrats would vote for a new Amendment giving the office to a Republican or and Amendment forcing the states to pay for another election. I would hope that all of our elected officials, both Republican and Democrat, would show some ethics if it is discovered that Obama was not qualified to run and would vote to impeach him.
@spalladino (17891)
• United States
18 Feb 09
No, it would not void his win. He could have been found ineligible *before* he won or even before he was sworn in but he's the President of the United States now and things don't work the way you're trying so hard to believe they do. The word is "impeachment", in which case he would be removed from office or forced to resign and Joe Biden would become the President. If you're so sure you're right, find where this is addressed in the Constitution and post it. Otherwise you're hanging onto a theory in the face of documented facts to the contrary.
@deejean06 (1952)
• United States
17 Feb 09
I do believe that America deserves a definitive answer. Of course. This is the leader of the country and there are not too many qualifications to become president. If Obama can't fulfill the simple qualifications, then I guess the Vice President will have to take over. I don't really know the law regarding the position - do you? As far as I know we've never had this problem before?
@deejean06 (1952)
• United States
18 Feb 09
That's great - thanks so much for sharing - I learned something new today!
@ljbinkop (744)
• United States
18 Feb 09
Wow! I would love to know the answer to this question, too! I have been frustrated by this lack of honesty from the start of this ridiculous "election". It astounds me that people were just so blind and believed everything that Obama said and stuck him in the White House out of no more than pure spite towards George Bush. I was one of the people who signed the Petition a few weeks ago to see these records released, and I still want to see them. I read an earlier resonse that someone wrote stating that if he is found to not be a citizen, he would be up on treason charges, and go to jail. I for one would love to see that happen and have justice served, but I think it would throw our country into a total tailspin, and make us look even worse to the International Comunity, not that they really like us anyway. It could do more harm than good, so I think we're just stuck with Obama for now. I hope this all gets straightened out before the next election, too. Naybe people won't be so blinded in a few years, and perhaps they will put down that Obama Kool-Aid and vote for a real President.
@spalladino (17891)
• United States
18 Feb 09
The charge wouldn't be Treason. The Constitution, in Article III, defines treason against the United States "to consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid or comfort." The charge(s) would be election and/or campaign fraud...both of which are impeachable offenses. I don't agree that this would throw the country into a tailspin. There are set steps and procedures in our Constitution that would be taken up by both the House and the Senate, from an official inquiry by the House Judiciary Committee on up to and including an impeachment trial with the Senate sitting as the jury with the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court presiding over the trial. Both sides would have the ability to prsent their cases and their evidence and a determination would be made. If it is determined through this orderly process that Obama was ineligible to run and that he was aware of that fact, no one but the most diehard supporters would disagree that he cannot remain in office and should be impeached. There have been impeachment trials and impeachments of Presidents in the past and our Constitution held strong. I also believe that weeding out our own bad apples sends a message to the international communities that our country...and our Constitution...are strong and that our country will not implode because the rules, procedures and laws are so well written.