What's up with these coaches??

@miamilady (4910)
United States
May 16, 2009 7:39am CST
I'd love to hear from players, coaches and parent's... I just added "sports" as one of my interests and I hope this "interest" is an appropriate place to post this topic. I haven't browsed through other discussions here yet. I have two kids that play sports. They have been playing sports for at least the past nine years, so, needless to say, we've encountered LOTS of coaches over the years. We've met some amazing coaching and we've met some horrible coaches. What I don't get is the coaches that never have anything positive to say to their players...what's up with that?? I once heard a coach say (not my child's coach thank God) that "first you need to break them down and then you can build them back up again". I'm sure they felt that there was some logic to that statement, but I just don't get it. What are your thoughts on coaching strategies? Should coaches use some positive reinforcement or do they just need to teach their team to suck it up and do what their told?
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• China
17 May 09
There are genarally two kinds of coaches: the coaches in action and the coaches in mind. The "break down and build back up" coach you concerned is typically a coach in action only, which in my opinion, is a result of the more and more competitable environments genarated by the rapid living or socalled "developing" pace. This is generally ok if not overloaded. But the fact is just another story. I do think that a real reliable coach should not only teach you how to win, but how to grow up from what you acquired in you participation of sports. So, a coach is more a "guide" than a "trainer", who is expected to output overall spirites instead of only specific strategies.
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@miamilady (4910)
• United States
17 May 09
Hi Charlie, Welcome to myLot! What kind of experiences have you had with coaches? Have you coached yourself? Played in sports and therefore been coached or are you a parent of a child who had been coached? I didn't check your profile so I don't know how old you are to venture a guess... When I think of two types of coaches, I think ONE- coaches who teach and TWO- Coaches who "recruit" or try to get the best players and only put their top players in and then put weaker players in only because and when they have to. I prefer, of course, coaches who teach.
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• China
18 May 09
Thanks for your response to my first comment:) Frankly speaking, i am still at college now, although is almost graduated, i did have some experiences of being coached, not personal ones of course, but with a lot of other boys when i was still young enough to be a member of our local school's football team. The coach himself had his own job, and coaching us is just his hobby, so it's a very comfortable and free time in my childhood. The coach did give speacial attention to one or two players, but no biased to the rest of us. Later on, i came across with many many teachers, but no coaches. Just as you said, coaches are the ones who are expected to endower sth useful, and that is, in my opinion, also what teachers should do. So, teachers are some kind of coaches:) And just as an old saying goes: Everyone is his own teacher. So, we coaches ourselves actually. Many people just hold strongly that coaches must be professional, must have some features unusual, must be different. but, we are different anyway. We can have disciplines, we can set us a goal, and we can also make up our mind to realize it. But, most of us just choose not to even think about it out of some reasonable reasons all the time, we always have excuses. Wooh, i said so much! Haha.
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@DavidReedy (2378)
• United States
18 May 09
Wow, incredible. I"m something of a novitiate student of psychology. Unfortunately, I don't feel the urge to take the time to look up resource after resource... Let me just say that there may be some merit to this "first you need to break them..." business, but it's just a very small insignificant amount. Almost of the research reveals that the one thing that matters most if self-efficacy, and self-efficacy is estlabished by the accomplishment of goals, so what a coach SHOULD be doing is supporting and nurturing while presenting goals to be accomplished and raising the bar a little on the challenges at a rate that is consistent with each of the players. The whole "first you...break them..." business is plausible, but it's very old behaviouristic school, in which human beings were really looked at some kind of basic machines that operated under principles of cause and effect. Thankfully, many new schools have developed and Bandura showed us that self-efficacy was a key to improvement, not to mention self-esteem building and Carl Rogers showed us that it was positive unconditional regard that was most likely to lead to a stabilizing self-acceptance accompanied with self-improvement. David A. Reedy...
• United States
18 May 09
finally, it occurs to me that the "breaking them..." approach seems more viable, applicable, and useful to say the Marine Corps than it does to little league sports or high school athletics. David A. Reedy...
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@jillmalitz (5131)
• United States
16 May 09
Yes they should. But also they need to look at the individual player and see what their talents and weak parts are. To say "break down...build back up" is, in my opinion not a good choice of words. Many athletes,even pros get into bad habits without realizing it. I guess he was thinking of how to correct bad habits and forge new ones. His statement was a "tough guy" type. I'm not much on belittling a player. Straight talk and showing the correct way to do something is better. Kind of reminds me of taking swimming lessons as a kid. I quit cause during on of the lessons the teacher had us get on the diving board, back to the water and do a headstand and flip into the water. I was too scared and could not do it so the teacher said that I was chicken. I never went back.
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• United States
18 May 09
positive would work better,i would think. all abusive language is likely to do is anger the child,not motivate them. one of my brother's friends is in a lawsuit right now with a coach that called his kid "a lil' d**chebag" among other things.i think he hit him too.
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• Philippines
17 May 09
coach - basketball
I understand your situation. coaches are really mean and strict with discipline. but for that regard, they also wanted to know is up to the task and determine their strengths and weaknesses so that they would be placed in a proper area for the game field. with out that the team becomes disarrayed and loose a game. it's no joke to be a coach, they have to see if they tolerate the taunts and insults because that's going to be the thing when there in the game.
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@miamilady (4910)
• United States
17 May 09
Yes, coaching is definitely a difficult job. Oftentimes coaches aren't even paid for their time. They have to listen to a dozen parents complaining and trying to tell them how to do their job and asking why their child didn't play a certain position etc. There are definitely two sides to the story of coaching.
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• United States
17 May 09
Well I think a lot of coaches like to focus on discipline as the focus of getting the athlete better. A lot of times this becomes misplaced and makes it look like the coach is just being harsh and not caring. Although this is not the case all the time, there are just some jerk coaches. For those coaches it just might come down to that's how they were taught or they just don't know another way to coach. But there are brilliant coaches that are gonna be harsh at one time or another and that's just something that goes along with coaching. I myself played 4 years of tennis in high school for the same coach. I hated his antics and attitude at times, but he made me a better player and I even won a district champoinship. I still have a friendship with him and I still refer to him as "coach", so I think it all will depend.
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@miamilady (4910)
• United States
17 May 09
Thanks Juany, I think discipline is absolutely necessary in coaching. That's a good think. But, unfortunately, I think some coaches cross the line where discipline because an excuse to bully and belittle their players. That is the behavior that I have a problem with. Thanks for your response.
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• Canada
8 Sep 09
It is crazy coaches like that that explains why, if I had kids, I'd never allow them to play on competative sports teams. If the neighbours and I were to get together and organize our own neighbourhood teams, that would be a different story, because we'd all know and trust eachother to coach, but teams that kids are on these days are nuts between the coaches and the parents, I don't know who'se worse!
• United States
17 May 09
I think it is a bunch of bullsh!t. The only thing I would take from a coach yelling at me is that one he is an a$$hole and I am not doing anything he wants me to do. I have no kids so I have no idea what my kids would do. I can see looking at what went wrong at a tape session at the college level but these are kids for G-d sake! at their level they should learn the basics and have fun doing it. when a kid does something wrong , they should be told but not yelled at. This isn't a game 7? it isn't The world Series or The super Bowl! I think the coaches never got to the level they wanted and they are taking this way too seriously.it is sad, I think every hot headed coach should have to see the end of the movie The Bad News Bears the 1976 version.If you have seen it you know what I mean and if you haven't seen it , rent it and then you'll know what I mean.