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Did Maddow take down Buchanan?
By clrumfelt
@clrumfelt (5597)
Tennessee Ridge, Tennessee
July 21, 2009 8:42am CST
I just read a transcript of an interview Rachal Maddow had with Pat Buchanan. The title insinuated Maddow got the upper hand in the interview. Reading the transcript, I don't see how they came to that conclusion. It's a long interview, but I found it interesting. What do you think? Who had the upper hand? Do you agree with either of their positions?
http://www.alternet.org/story/141425/rachel_maddow_takes_down_msnbc%27s_resident_racist%2C_pat_buchanan/
2 responses
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
21 Jul 09
On paper it really looks to me like Pat Buchanan won that argument. Now the website that posted that was HEAVILY biased against Buchanan and made a note of repeatedly calling him MSNBC's "resident racist". He could have mopped the floor with her and it wouldn't have mattered because they already had their minds made up.
However, a transcript doesn't always tell the whole story. There's more to an argument than words. I've seen brilliant people, with facts, statistics, and indisputable proof on their side lose debates based solely on the fact that they were less charismatic or failed to connect with the audience.
I must say that I did like his examples of the U.S. Olympic Team, and how if they are primarily black nobody assumes racism they rightly assume that those are the best people for the team.
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@clrumfelt (5597)
• Tennessee Ridge, Tennessee
21 Jul 09
I agree things are often different on papar than in the live interview. However, I thought Pat connected with the audience very well. You can view it live at the link in the above post.
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
22 Jul 09
Ok, I couldn't watch the video till now, but it's clear to me that he had the better argument and made his case very clearly there. Maddow kept pulling the "108 of 110", but that just doesn't cut it. Right now, we do not have 110 justices. We have 9. Instead of whining about the past, she should acknowledge the current racial and gender makeup of it. Pat made a good point about how 100% of the people who wrote the constitution were white and the black people in our nation were oppressed. Choosing a Latina woman based solely on race isn't going to change the last hundred years. We need to live in the now and choose the best people for the job regardless of race and gender.
Nobody in their right mind believes that Sotomayor wasn't chosen because of her race and gender.
@bestboy19 (5478)
• United States
21 Jul 09
I read the transcript and watched the interview, and I can't say that either got the upper hand. There were some parts I found interesting. When Buchanan asked, "Why is it OK to discriminate against white males?" Maddow didn't answer. I also found this interesting, RM: "Pat, do you -- do you -- are you happy that we've got a Latino on the Supreme Court for the first time or we're about to? Does that seem like a positive thing for the country?"
PB: "I would -- I think the Republicans had an outstanding Latino who had outstanding grades, who was brilliant and was gutted, Miguel Estrada."
RM: "Let me just ask you a question before going to talk about some other Latino who's not in question here. Are you happy for the United States of America for our prospect as a nation that we'll be the best that we can be, that there is a Latino on the Supreme Court for the first time ever, that that glass ceiling is broken. Do you see it as a positive thing?"
PB: "If you say, be the best question we can be. We're not being the best we can be with Sonia Sotomayor and I think you know it." If having a Latino on the Supreme Court is so important, why did Maddow brush off Miguel Estrada when Buchanan mentioned him? I also noticed Maddow ended the interview when Buchanan asked, "Do you think Frank Ricci and those guys were treated justly when they were denied that promotion because they were white?"
Stammering through an interview and dodging questions is not my idea of getting the upper hand, so I guess I'll have to retract my earlier opinion. Buchanan dodged nothing, therefore, he won the day.
@clrumfelt (5597)
• Tennessee Ridge, Tennessee
22 Jul 09
Buchanan got my vote, too. It was pure hypocricy to tout it as such a great accomplishment to have the first Latino on the Supreme Court when it could have been done long ago under a conservative administration.

