Freehold vs 99-year leasehold...
By ahgong
@ahgong (10064)
Singapore
September 1, 2009 3:44am CST
I was having this discussion with my friends the other day on the topic of housing.
I am sure this is no unique to my country.
It is easy to define a freehold home as an asset. This is because once you have paid for it, that property is effectively yours to keep. You can stay there as long as you want and pass it to as many generations as you so wish.
But for 99-year leasehold homes, that is another story altogether.
Most of us are "buying" home that have 99-least cos the price is definitely much much more affordable as compared to a freehold unit.
Our government has always been harping to us that after we pay off the loan on the homes that we live in, we are effectively rich in assets as the home is suppose to be the largest investment we ever make in our lifetime.
Then suddenly it comes to mind. Lease hold means that at the end of the 99 years, the home we live in no longer belongs to us. The deed that we paid so much money for when we first moved in is, well, effectively useless as the value paid for is only for 99 years tenure of the home that we live in.
So, am I right to say that once the lease is due, the home we live in is effectively worthless?
If that is the case, then do we still call the home we "bought" (with the 99 year lease) an asset?
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6 responses
@kun2349 (23381)
• Singapore
2 Sep 09
NO matter what, it will still be an asset as long as we sell it before the 99yr lease is up.. hehe ^_^ PLus, how many of us are able to live that long?? Even if one is married, and one day when children grow up, get married, they tned to move out, and thus, the house is considered half sold already.. haha =D
There are only very few cases of ple staying till the end of 99 yr lease, for what happens after what, the government will take them all back and re-developed.. haha =D PLus, for ple buying such houses, they should alwyas do a check as well ^_^
As such, i will still opt for 99yr lease, and it's much cheaper, and can sell for higher profit as well.. haha =D
@ahgong (10064)
• Singapore
2 Sep 09
Hi Kun, maybe not in the next decade or two. But it is a worrying trend. No?
Imagine, the supply of homes is always low. And new couples seeking to setup their own home are looking at the resale market.
Some of these resale units are like almost 30 to 40 years old already.
Assuming that you are in your twenties. Imagine buying a resale flat with a remaining lease of 60 years. And assuming that you never shift home again during the rest of your career. By the time you retire at 60, your flat would have less than 20 years left.
Being a retiree, what are the chances that you will be able to afford to buy another home to live out the rest of your golden years?
And if you think about shifting to another home while you are still actively working, with each wave of home getting more expensive than the previous one, is it a feasible option? If yes, how much debt are you gonna be in to get a "younger" house? How long more do you have to work before you can finish paying for the home?
And if the option is no, can you imagine having to re-lease your home at age 80? What are you going to use to pay for the re-lease?
Is the home still worth anything at the end of the 99 year period?
So may questions... so little answers! Sigh...
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@kun2349 (23381)
• Singapore
2 Sep 09
haha =D Provided if i'm able to live that long!! If not, i will be sure to sell my house, and be staying with my children.. If not, i will settle for a one room flat, if nobody wanna take care of me.. hehe ^_^
Right now, i'm thinking of being alone, but things will change will i'm married too. hehe ^_^ BUt the best thing now, will be buying flat which are built to order.. IT's slightly expensive, but at least, we get to live out our lives there.. haha =D
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@mentalward (14690)
• United States
1 Sep 09
Hmmm, that's a tough one, ahgong. I'd say yes, it is an asset, as long as it has been "paid off" but you still have many years to go before your "lease" is up, as you will not have to pay for housing until that lease is up thereby reducing your monthly financial output.
As far as I know, we do not have anything like that here in the U.S. You can "lease" an automobile which is very much like you described the 99-year housing lease. You put some money down, pay lower monthly payments for a specific amount of time (usually 3 or 5 years) than you would pay if you were buying the car outright but, at the end of the lease's term, you have to either turn over the car or pay the price for a "used" car.
In the U.S., you either buy a house (I believe we can now get a housing loan for up to 40 years to repay it), rent a house or "rent-to-own". Rent-to-own means that you are renting, but the majority of the money you pay as "rent" actually goes towards the purchase price of the house. If you cannot afford to pay the full price, or must move before buying it outright, you lose the money you've paid in up to that point.
It sounds like buying a house outright is the best choice no matter where in the world you live. Of course, that means that you must come up with a large amount of money right from the start. Here, that usually means at least 10% of the purchase price up front. (Say the house costs $100,000.00, you must put at least $10,000.00 down, then take out a loan for the balance.) The more you put down, the lower your monthly payments will be to the mortgage company or bank.
But, back to your question, yes, I'd say it would be an asset in that you would not have monthly housing payments once it is "paid off" and you still have many years before that 99-year lease is up. As far as your net worth goes, though, I don't think it would be seen as an asset except that maybe you would be able to save more money each month.
Did that make sense? (It's early here. LOL)
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@ahgong (10064)
• Singapore
2 Sep 09
Hmm... the schemes you laid out looks pretty interesting.
And it sounds somewhat similar to the schemes we have here, especially the one about the Rent-To-Own scheme.
If you look at it that way "yes, I'd say it would be an asset in that you would not have monthly housing payments once it is "paid off" and you still have many years before that 99-year lease is up".
I dunno if it makes sense. I will have to digest this a little more. 
I dunno if it makes sense. I will have to digest this a little more. 
@mentalward (14690)
• United States
2 Sep 09
Maybe "asset" isn't the right word, therefore making my statement invalid. I think "benefit" would be a better word to use in that statement I made.
What I meant was that you would have more money to spend on other things (or save) if you did not have the monthly house payments but could still live in the house for many more years.
Sorry for the confusion! 

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@maximax8 (31042)
• United Kingdom
8 Sep 09
I wouldn't ever want to buy a leasehold property again. I bought a tiny cottage and it had a 999 year leasehold. It was part of a Victorian Workhouse in the past. A couple of the other leaseholds bought their freehold. It meant the maintenance charge went up. It began at £30 a month and went up to £50. I owned it for 14 years and then sold it.
I now live in a freehold house. I don't have a maintenance charge or ground rent to pay. I like the idea of passing it to my children when I die and it passing through the future generations. I wouldn't want to live in a rented property. A freehold house is the best option.
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@aseretdd (13729)
• Philippines
2 Sep 09
I don't really understand this 99 year lease thing... does it mean that the family can own the home only for 99 years... and when the 99 years is finished... who will own the property?... is it going back to the developer or who ever it is who owned it in the first place?...
I think that cannot be applied here in my country... since kids then to stay with the parents even if they already have their own family... so after the 99 years... and the parents are gone... time for them to move and find a new home... leaving all those 99 years of beautiful and sentimental memories behind...
@ahgong (10064)
• Singapore
2 Sep 09
I am not sure how the housing scheme works where you are from. But here, where I am, there are two kinds of housing available to the people.
One are the freeholds home where you pay for the land and the home that is built upon it. Once you clear the loan taken for that home, that land and home is yours to keep for as long as you wish. And you can pass it along to your kids, grandkids, great grandkids... as many generations as it can last.
The other kind of home, which is cheaper and more affordable to the average working class, is the lease homes. These flats have 99 year lease which you can "buy" from the government. For these 99 years, under terms and conditions, you can stay in the home like it is yours. According to the deed you sign, at the end of 99 years, the government will take back the flat you are staying in. And you then have to go hunt for another unit to set up home.
The problem is this. My country is relatively young. And the first homes that were built by the government are only about 40 odd years old.
Given that many young couples are buying these old flats, it makes me wonder if they ever considered what happens in the even the lease expires and they are stuck with no money in their retirement funds, and they have no roof over their heads.
It is indeed something that is worrying.
@gracefuldove (1668)
• Malaysia
2 Sep 09
I do not believe a leasehold asset is worthless. Everything has some salvageable worth. An old junk car can be sold as metal. some cannibalized the car for parts. Yes, a freehold property is worth more because of the land and also the house. A leasehold hand is expensive because even leasehold land is expensive these days. Also, costs of building a house cost more these days than in the past.When your leasehold land expires,the house is still yours to do as you like. In rural areas, they break down the house and move it to another leasehold site. I do not think they do that in urban areas.Anyway,such thing hardly happens these days. Normally the government of the day will not take away the land from you. It will be re-lease the land to you if you apply for extension which they would normally approve. However, they will definitely increase the quit rent for the title.
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@ahgong (10064)
• Singapore
2 Sep 09
ha ha ha ha ha... I wished it was that easy to just dismantle the home and relocate it else where!
Here where I am, leasehold home are apartments. High rise apartments are tough to do what you just describe. But I like the idea. If only it was that easy.
Imagine, spending a large part of your life building a nest, only to have the lease expire on you before you can actually enjoy it. Sigh.
Government releasing the unit back to you? That remains to be seen as our country is young. It will be another at least 50 years before any homes in my neighborhood reaches its lease expiry date.
Which is why I am wondering, what happens if you, a young man/woman, buys a lease with a remainder of say 50 years, you'd be in your golden age when the lease expires. What happens then?
It is worrying.
@hvedra (1619)
•
1 Sep 09
I think it would depend on the difference in price and the comparison to the rental market - would you pay about the same if you were renting?
If you are an adult when you buy, you are unlikely to outlive your lease so why worry? You can't take it with you!
If you want your children to inherit, then you could put the difference between what you would pay into a savings plan and give it to them when they buy their own homes or go to college, etc.
An asset is only an asset if you can realise the value of it (realise as in use, not recognise!). Having your wealth tied up in a property is not necessarily a good thing, you can't sell part of your house if you need some cash for something, you have to sell the whole thing and move elsewhere.






