Do you feel lately that you can't speak your mind?
By dragon54u
@dragon54u (31633)
United States
November 13, 2009 8:36pm CST
I was out to lunch with a friend the other day and we were talking and the conversation went to how neither of us had jobs. She's retired but would rather not be and I have been unemployed for nearly a year. I said something about the current administration and all the promises that haven't been kept and she told me to shush, we'd talk about it later.
Seems that the town she lives in is full of hard core supporters of our President. People have been berated for talking against him and there are rumors that some injuries/muggings are actually retribution for opposing views. This is very alarming to me. Even my neighbor told me it wasn't a good idea to discuss opposing politics on the porch where anyone could hear.
Do you feel as if you have to censor yourself in public these days? Are you afraid we will lose our right of free speech?
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15 responses
@xfahctor (14113)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
14 Nov 09
If anything, I am more encouraged to speak it. The more people try to silence or brow beat me in to silence, the louder I will get. As far as I know, the constitution still stands and is still supreme law of the land and it is clearly spelled out in that document that it is a right by virtue of my birth to speak out.
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@dragon54u (31633)
• United States
14 Nov 09
Back during the campaign, Obama staffers sent out notices to news stations that they "need not air" certain things--that set my alarm bells ringing. Now we are browbeaten by cries of racism if we disagree with his policies.
Yes, our constitution guarantees free speech but we must guard it carefully and always be watching for those sneaky people who would defile it.
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@thegreatdebater (7316)
• United States
14 Nov 09
Dragon, this has been going on for decades, it didn't just start today. I remember when I didn't support the war in Iraq, and people looked at me like I was crazy, and I was called UNAMERICAN millions of times. The only difference today is that it is YOU that are being called UNAMERICAN, and being silenced. Think back to those days, and how you treated those with decenting views, or how others that you were are friends with did. We decide our future everyday, and when it comes to politics, your actions can come right back upon later in life. This is why I listen to people with decenting views, and don't call people UNAMERICAN, unless they have called me that.
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@dragon54u (31633)
• United States
14 Nov 09
During the Iraq war I was busy raising my children, lived way out in the desert and didn't have much exposure to the world. That must be why this is all new to me.
It's wrong to call people unAmerican when they dissent. It's our DUTY to dissent if that's how we feel, that's what keeps us strong. I don't mind hearing opposing views, it's healthy. But I don't like being shushed because someone is afraid.
Thanks for sharing your experiences, I did learn something. 
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@thegreatdebater (7316)
• United States
15 Nov 09
"It's wrong to call people unAmerican when they dissent. It's our DUTY to dissent if that's how we feel, that's what keeps us strong. I don't mind hearing opposing views, it's healthy. But I don't like being shushed because someone is afraid."
It is our job as Americans to question our government, and healthy dissent is always good in any country. But, you always have to keep an open mind as to what you hear because everyone is spinning something.
"Thanks for sharing your experiences, I did learn something."
I just hope that you look back at how people like me were treated when we questioned our government, and how you are being treated now. I don't think that you are being treated right, and I do feel that you should be given the right to air your views. But, just remember that some of the people that are upset with your views are because we knew 8 years ago what you are learning today. I try to treat people better then they treated me, but I two have my days where I get so angry at people who didn't listen to me then.
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@peavey (16936)
• United States
14 Nov 09
I have had that feeling and I hate it. We are supposed to have free speech, yet if we don't agree with what's happening, we're afraid to speak up? Shades of Communist Russia! I think it will take some daring and courageous people to lead us out of this. We need to speak up and to rebuff their arguments whenever we can logically do so. I am not saying that "we" are right all the time and "they" are not, but in a social situation, we have every right to talk about what we want to and to say what we feel about it. Don't let them cower you.
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@dragon54u (31633)
• United States
14 Nov 09
I kept quiet for the sake of my friend, she was really scared and that was the town she had to live in, not me.
I will say what I please whenever I wish! I think it might get worse but I hope not.
@rg0205 (2636)
• Hong Kong
14 Nov 09
This is very sad. My Aunt living in the US actually said the same thing. She feels like she has to keep her mouth shut because you never know who you're offending when there are die hard supporters of the current administration.
She says, what's worse is when they accuse her of being racist when really, it has nothing to do with race. All she is really concerned about is the future of her Autistic son who is my cousin.
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@dragon54u (31633)
• United States
14 Nov 09
rg0205, I'm sorry that your aunt has to have fears in our country. This is something very new that we've never had before, I hope she realizes that. If everyone would realize it, maybe we could do something about it. I hope you aunt enjoys her visit in every other way and that your nephew is alright.
I have talked to people about the racist stuff and have never talked to anyone that agrees with it. I have several black friends and neighbors and they're very upset that someone would be called racist just because they disagree with the president. This is something the liberals have started in order to divide us--division is the easiest way to conquer.
@Hatley (163772)
• Garden Grove, California
14 Nov 09
dragon54u yes I know I have to censor myself right here on mylot'
because the words democrat and Obama are like tossing gasoline onto a burning fire. What I feel about the president I kept to myself, as I voted for him, and believe in him, this has not endeared me to anyone here, at least not that I know of. so I kept my mouth shut. my beliefs are my own and are to be respected, this is written in the mylot rules for pete's sake.
I do not respond to political discussions at all because I know I would be scolded, insulted and for what, for having my own opinions? I have never seen so many people here get so bent out
of shape about political things and I want no part of it.
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@dragon54u (31633)
• United States
14 Nov 09
You may be right, Hatley, in your confidence. I would never scold you or put you down for what you believe in. You have a right to your opinions and I may not agree with you but I'll fight for your right to say it! There are a lot of supporters of the president and I'm not one of them. But if it turns out that I am wrong, I will personally write him a note of apology and admit it publicly, too.
Hey, I was wrong about Bush. I apologized for nearly four years for helping to vote him a second term. None of us is right all the time but I'm sorely afraid that my fears will be realized with this administration.
Keep proudly expressing your views--it's your right! 
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@JodiLynn (1417)
• United States
14 Nov 09
I felt like that from 2000 to 2008. I think it depends on where you are. For instance, I still don't feel safe discussing my support of the Obama administration (unless it's a Democratic function) where I live. Why? because the staunch right wing conservative rednecks can and have done bad things to "folks who should know better" (as heard over the bar at the local tavern)
Disclaimer:
***I AM NOT CALLING ALL REPUBLICANS REDNECKS or SCARY,
just some of the ones where I live.
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@dragon54u (31633)
• United States
14 Nov 09
My friend's town was the opposite--a staunch supporter of Obama and God help anyone who expressed dissatisfaction!
This is very scary. We should all be able to say what we want. I don't agree with your support of Mr. Obama, JodiLynn, but you have every right to voice it without harassment!
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@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
14 Nov 09
Jodilynn, I can sympathize. I've read some bad happenings where union guys have beat up those who DON'T support Obama.
There is no reason in this country to do such things by either party members. We are ALL being manipulated and made to fear. Divide and conquer. Oh...'they' are real smart about doing this and have been at it for decades. They fight and insult one another during the campaign and then when it is over they all go back to being buddies and helping one another out. We suffer.
My plan is to ditch both major parties as worthless and start educating myself as to what the issues are and since I know where I stand on them, vote accordingly. No more am I going to trust either 'side'. For they are both just as bad as the other.
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@vikkiz (518)
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15 Nov 09
Yes i agree with you!!! I am from the uk and its exactly the same here, Our president is an idiot and he is ruining our country!!! My husband lost his job last year and he has sunk into depression due to this.
religion and culture has took over aswell, i dont mind anybodys veiws as like you i believe that everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but now religion and race RULE!!! i am a sworn atheist but because i tell people i dont believe in any sort of god, apparently im RACIST???? where do people connect race with religion???? honestly its getting ridiculous now!!! Mind you im at a point now where i dont care and i speak my mind regaudless of who crys about it! I dont get upset when people tell me their opinions i may debate about it but id never tell them to shush! so why should i care when other people get annoyed with my veiws???
@dragon54u (31633)
• United States
15 Nov 09
I have heard now and then that you folks have a lot of trouble from the Muslims, that they've become a big influence in your country. There's not much coverage of it because the media here don't want to offend them. Is this true?
I sympathize with you. It seems that our governments have been given over to idiots or madmen--or both! But I won't shut up! I shut up to protect my friend and feel awful doing that but she is old and gentle and would not do well if attacked verbally or physically.
Much more of this and people will really start revolting. I'll join them.
Much more of this and people will really start revolting. I'll join them.1 person likes this
@vikkiz (518)
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15 Nov 09
you hit the nail on the head there with that comment!, its really getting out of control, The muslims are hell bent on changing western civilisation! They are offended by EVERYTHING!!! its actually very very frustrating that they get away with half of their comments!.
My sons school has banned the nativity play at christmas....so not to offend muslims (im athiest but it doesnt offend me????) My sons school has banned the centurys old childrens song ''baa baa black sheep''.....so not to offend the muslims.
Everything is pointed at RACISM...its just an excuse! They come here in their thousands.....dont work......get housing benifit,weekly allowances, free house, free furniture and much much more, Then they scream the racism card because other people in the uk dont want to live the muslim way???!!!! WE ARE PAYING FOR THEIR LUXURY LIFE WITH OUR TAXES!!!! and if thats not a kick in the teeth by our goverment then what is????
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@vikkiz (518)
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15 Nov 09
Oh and yes you are right the media never covers it because of the offence issue! do you know that in our G20 protests a man was killed by a police officer......he wasnt even involved and was walking home from his job at a bank.The whole event was caught on tape and there was massive media coverage on the protest.
The police also didnt think twice about spraying peaceful protesters with mace and battering people with battons.
Although about 3 months ago a crowd of over 10,000 muslims protested outside the israel govermenet here in uk, I saw the videos and they were throwing cones, fireworks and basically chasing the police down the street, not ONE police officer reacted???????!!!!! And the only media coverage on it was a little 50 word post in the sun newspapaer???!!!! We might as well face the fact that everyone is scared of them......i dont know why but our goverments just seem to bow down to them????
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@cloudwatcher (6861)
• Australia
14 Nov 09
"In public" I will be a little careful with my words, because I do not wish to offend people, or to cause trouble. Another reason for being careful in public is that people only hear a fraction of what is said, and taken out of context, could be totally misunderstood.
In private, I feel free to say anything I like, and can usually find the right words to express my feelings without giving offence.
@dragon54u (31633)
• United States
14 Nov 09
I don't think I should have to censor my conversation that is in a normal tone of voice in a public restaurant where everyone else is talking, too. When we feel as if we should not speak, something is very wrong.
I'm talking about everyday things--politics, romance, business, etc. If I was talking about the details of a romantic encounter, I would censor myself because it's none of anyone business and it's something I would not like to hear from the next table. But anyone should be able to talk about non-personal issues whenever and wherever they like.
I heard a LOT of talk about killing Bush, what a jerk he was, how he should be impeached, the past 4 years and I didn't say anything because that was their right. Now the tables have turned, I guess the party members can dish it out but they can't take it. What worries me is that they're taking physical action and that endangers our freedom of speech.
Thanks for making your point and letting me ramble! 

@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
14 Nov 09
Bush and Obama are two peas in a pod and work for the same agenda. With that said...the danger does seem to be a bit more pronounced now a days...what with the White House PUBLICALLY saying they're keeping lists. Used to be, they kept their shinanigans secret.
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@anniepa (27955)
• United States
16 Nov 09
As some others have mentioned in this thread during the time Bush was President I knew whenever I spoke out against anything he did or wanted to do I'd be accused of being "unAmerican", of not supporting our troops or, regarding things like warrantless wiretapping, of "having something to hide". NOW I just know if I let certain people know my views I'll be called "stupid", "uninformed" and be accused of "worshiping" the President, which is ridiculous because he's only human and I've never known anyone who has "worshiped" any politician. I find it so sad that there seems to be no civility or respect these days. I've been involved and interested in politics for my entire adult life and I've always had strong views but never before have I known so much nastiness and hatred just because someone doesn't share someone else's opinions. If you believe in the phrase "Divided we fall" you've got to know we're headed for one he11 of a fall no matter who is in what office!
Annie
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@dragon54u (31633)
• United States
16 Nov 09
I totally agree with your last sentence!
I remember feeling some hostility when I started to disagree with what Bush was doing, the last couple of years of his presidency when I began to be really interested in politics. But I never felt the threat of physical violence as I and others are feeling now. I do feel as if you and many others hold this president up on a pedestal and can't see a lot of what he is doing and how our constitution is being violated repeatedly but you know, I did the same thing with Bush. And maybe I'm the one who is wrong about Obama, I'm open to that but the facts tell me differently.
Regardless, I hope you'll state your opinion freely. People who call you stupid are wrong. Just ignore them and join a discussion that has more intelligent people that are interested in sharing ideas, not preaching! 
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@Latrivia (2878)
• United States
15 Nov 09
I only censor myself at work, where it obligatory for me to not discuss controversial subjects with customers, and I certainly can't disagree with them. I could lose my job for it. Before anyone says it - no, I'm not being censored by my employer. It's just good business sense not to alienate the clientele by allowing your employees to get in heated debates with them.
I'm quite open about my dislike for Obama. I don't go around saying I don't like the guy, but if we're talking presidential politics, it's going to come up.
That said, we have no right to speak without fear of contradiction by other members of society. There's no threat to free speech if you have an anti-Obama sign in your front yard and your neighbors start ignoring you for it. That's the downside to free speech - you aren't guaranteed a sympathetic or respectful audience.
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@dragon54u (31633)
• United States
15 Nov 09
I don't expect anyone to be sympathetic or respectful, just keep their hands off my body and my property. My friend has conservative friends who've had their windows smashed, their cars vandalized. That's just wrong.
Yes, I understand why you keep your opinions to yourself at work. When someone is doing business--shopping or otherwise--they should not have to deal with politics. There are places where politics and other subjects should be avoided. You are being considerate and mannerly when you don't talk politics at work or remain noncommittal when the people you're dealing with express their own opinions--which is poor manners on their part.
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@Maggiepie (7816)
• United States
16 Nov 09
[b]"Lately?" No. I've felt it for years & years. It's becoming harder to stand up for your beliefs, true, but I always do it, hang the consequences. Any other response to tyranny is anathema to a free populace!
Don't ever give in to the pressure! Lou Dobbs didn't, & he's now out of his $9 million ja year ob, but he still has his pride! Ultimately, it boils down to this: Live free...or die.
Maggiepie
"WHERE'S THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE?"[/b]
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@dragon54u (31633)
• United States
16 Nov 09
How true. I held my tongue solely because I was concerned for my friend, who isn't in the best of health.
I heard Dobbs resigned but I never watched him and don't know the story. I guess I will look it up today, thanks for the tip.
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@Maggiepie (7816)
• United States
16 Nov 09
[b]I never watch CNN unless it's on in a doctor's office, & I'm forced to wait while it runs.
So I didn't know much about it, either. Turns out they wanted him gone because--although he isn't a believer in the so-called "Birther" movement (he believes Obama's presidency is legit)--he did often report on their questions (which became his own) as to why Obama has spent well over a million dollars to keep not only his real birth certificate buried, but all his records!
After all, Dobbs asked reasonably (reasonable to folks with common sense...), why would anyone spend that kind of money to keep what are easily & cheaply-available records from being seen?
For that simple, honest, old-fashioned journalism, he had to go.
Maggiepie
"WHERE'S THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE?"[/b]
So I didn't know much about it, either. Turns out they wanted him gone because--although he isn't a believer in the so-called "Birther" movement (he believes Obama's presidency is legit)--he did often report on their questions (which became his own) as to why Obama has spent well over a million dollars to keep not only his real birth certificate buried, but all his records!
After all, Dobbs asked reasonably (reasonable to folks with common sense...), why would anyone spend that kind of money to keep what are easily & cheaply-available records from being seen?
For that simple, honest, old-fashioned journalism, he had to go.
Maggiepie
"WHERE'S THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE?"[/b] @spalladino (17891)
• United States
14 Nov 09
I'm sure there are areas of the country where folks feel strongly one way or another but I haven't personally had or heard of any problems with speaking your mind down here in the Florida. When I worked at the railroad there was a lot of political talk around the office with no bloodshed...the only danger we faced was our boss walking in. She didn't approve and would give us that "look".
@dragon54u (31633)
• United States
14 Nov 09
I had my last job during the last election, for a few months. I wasn't sure what peoples' politics were or how strongly they felt so I kept my mouth shut, especially since it was a temp job. They'd all talk politics but never around me. Turned out that they had views similar to mine but they weren't sure how I felt and didn't want to offend me!
I think we should be able to discuss anything with no repercussions.
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@6precious102 (4043)
• United States
16 Nov 09
I live in a community that leans towards the Republican point of view, so I don't feel restricted in my speech. As far as the country as a whole, I do believe "they" are trying to silence the opposition and I hope it backfires on them. People need to start paying attention to what's happening in this country. We seem to be losing our freedoms and we're sitting back and letting it happen. I am so very thankful that there are people like Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Neal Bortz, and others that give us another side of the issues. Even if you don't agree with these people, I hope they at least make you think. There are also some people on myLot who have good insight and who have opened my eyes to certain things.
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@dragon54u (31633)
• United States
16 Nov 09
There are some wonderful people here and some very deep thinkers that look deeper into the issues than most. I really enjoy them! Yes, we have to be on watch. The sheep are beginning to awaken and I hope it's not too late.
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@Louc74 (620)
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14 Nov 09
Hi Dragon. I know what you mean, but I don't think it's all one sided; there are just small pockets of crazy people in every group, or sector of society, who shame the other members of that group. Discussions can get heated, but even when they are, people should never use violence or threats to quiet those they disagree with.
I'm so sorry it's getting to that stage over there. To be honest, from where I'm standing, it looks the same over there as it is over here - it doesn't matter what party gets voted in, their leaders only want to line their own pockets!
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@dragon54u (31633)
• United States
14 Nov 09
I agree, it's all about greed and power and control of the people. And the more we are divided, the better they like it.
When the people fear the government there is tyranny but when the government fears the people there is liberty. I think Thomas Jefferson said that. It's time to put some fear into our governments! 

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@lichee_china (506)
• China
14 Nov 09
Yeah,maybe sometimes I was.It's weird to lost the right of free speech!As you said,it's just rumor.As a chinese,as I Know,America is a democratic country can listen different sounds,you must be too worried.
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@dragon54u (31633)
• United States
14 Nov 09
Yes, we've taken our right to free speech for granted and it's slowly being choked out.
I have heard that in China you can't say what you think, is that true? Is your government as cruel as my government says it is? I read today where China government arrested a few dissidents so they couldn't speak to our president when he arrives. Tell your gov't not to worry--if it doesn't directly benefit him, our president doesn't care about anything or anyone.
Thanks for replying, have a great day! 

@dragon54u (31633)
• United States
14 Nov 09
Thank you! I appreciate getting some information straight from someone who lives there.
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@lichee_china (506)
• China
14 Nov 09
No,there is a little misleading,Both America and china are democratic national country.Our motherland is beloved by all,The people's deputy stand for our will at the people's congress.The chinese people delegate the power to the people's congress.The notional people's congress and people's congress at various levels are the organs whereby exercise state power,like method of yours.2008 china has been showen by the whole world in Beijing Olympic Games.The world has seen the condition of china.we can say whatever we like to.Not like what you said,if you dislike the way of government,You can tell it,by a different way compared to America.
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@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
14 Nov 09
The thought police are very real my friend.
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@dragon54u (31633)
• United States
14 Nov 09
Once you've brainwashed a large part of the population, you have your thought police. I've never seen anything like this although someone else pointed out that during the Iraq War something similar happened to people who were against it. I don't recall that, but right here and right now I am very much alarmed. I will never consent to have my ideas censored, although I might shut up in consideration of a friend's safety as I did the other day. I feel like a traitor doing even that.














