Hypocrites and Genocide

@bestboy19 (5478)
United States
March 5, 2010 8:04am CST
Is it hypocritical to accuse God of genocide and then say you are pro choice?
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@Latrivia (2878)
• United States
6 Mar 10
Pretending, of course, that the biblical exterminations might have happened - when you can adequately explain how the extermination of men, women, children, and unborn children by a jealous super-being in any way compares to a mother choosing to abort a fetus, then I can entertain the idea of it possibly being hypocritical.
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@gewcew23 (8007)
• United States
6 Mar 10
Latrivia do not hold your breath.
@gewcew23 (8007)
• United States
7 Mar 10
Bestboy there is a difference between potential life and existing life. A baby in the womb is potential life. Those 52 million babies were not living beings, so they cannot be killed just their potential has ended.
@bestboy19 (5478)
• United States
6 Mar 10
God gave those men, women, and children a chance at life. He gave them a chance to repent of their sins. He gave them a chance. What has a woman who has an abortion given her child? Even though these people sinned against God, He still gave them a chance. The majority of women who have abortions do it for selfish reasons. They put themselves before their child. They do not give their child any chance at all. If you condemn God for what you call genocide but He calls judgment of their sins, but have no problem with aborting the innocent, it's a pretense of virtue. 52 million babies have been killed since Roe vs Wade. Is this an adequate comparison?
• United States
5 Mar 10
No. Even if we accept arguendo that being pro-choice is in any way akin to genocide, it immaterial to whether the Bible claims that Jhvh has commanded genocide. That said, comparing a pro-choice position to genocide is absurd on its face. First for confusing a position regarding what the law should be with the actual giving of a command. There is disagreement about whether the unborn have a right to not be aborted. There is no such disagreement about whether those Jhvh commanded be the victims of genocide. A far better question would be to ask whether it is hypocritical to adopt an anti-choice position on the grounds that it violates the law of a genocidal God.
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@bestboy19 (5478)
• United States
6 Mar 10
"There is no such disagreement about whether those Jhvh commanded be the victims of genocide." But there is a disagreement. I say those people were not the victims of genocide, violent crimes committed against groups with the intent to destroy the existence of the group. They were the recipients of God's judgment of their sin against Him. There was no crime committed only judgment.
• United States
6 Mar 10
You do not dispute that Jhvh's intent was to destroy the existence of the group. That's genocide. You merely quibble over whether that particular genocide was criminal.
• United States
7 Mar 10
But you do agree with me: you acknowledge that Jhvh ordered the destruction of the existence of a group, which is genocide. In order to argue that Jhvh did not act improperly in so doing, you have conceded that he did in fact issue the order for genocide. Making the case, as you attempt, that it was not a crime for Jhvh to do so does not negate your acknowledgement that the deed was done.
@gewcew23 (8007)
• United States
5 Mar 10
Oh boy this is good. Being pro-choice you are just allowing women to choose for themselves. Why I accuse God of genocide is maybe because he actually ordered genocide.
@bestboy19 (5478)
• United States
5 Mar 10
Let me see if I understand. According to you, a woman has the right to kill her unwanted baby, but God does not have the right to destroy what He has created. That sounds like a double standard to me and hypocrisy. The woman has the right to choose to kill the most innocent of humans, but God does not have the right to destroy those who have been evil. So as far as you're concerned, kill the innocent but let the guilty go free. No wonder you think the Devil is good and God is bad. It's hard for me to take your cries for the Amalekites seriously when you have no qualms about mothers choosing to kill their unwanted babies. Can you tell me why you think what God did was worse than what women do today?
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@gewcew23 (8007)
• United States
5 Mar 10
One other thing if you wanted to debate me all you had to do is ask.
@gewcew23 (8007)
• United States
7 Mar 10
How is it that you keep accusing me of not caring about those infants? Are you not the one that is actually arguing that those infants deserved to die? Would that not make you the one that does not care about those infants. I love how you dodged every question, what can I expect from someone that does not think for himself. Look it up for yourself, is that proof that you do not know the answer? It is okay to say you do not know, I will not look at you any differently. God makes himself look bad! So your position is God, the supreme moral authority, can kill us because he "owns" us. So if the woman and the man agreed to the abortion you would be okay with that?
@sid556 (30953)
• United States
7 Mar 10
I have never accused God of genocide but I can tell you it isn't the same at all. I am pro choice. I, myself, have never had an abortion. It's just not in my nature although I can't say that if given the right set of circumstances, my choices may not have been different. I really can't imagine it but don't know. That being said, I don't judge others in their choices in life or at least I really try not to. I know that for most woman the choice on whether to keep the baby or abort is an extremely difficult choice. I choose to let God be the judge on this one. Isn't that the way it's supposed to be?
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@bestboy19 (5478)
• United States
8 Mar 10
That is the way it's suppose to be. Thank you for responding.
@Pose123 (21635)
• Canada
5 Mar 10
Hi bestboy, I really don't think it's hypocritical and while I am pro choice, I am against abortion as a form of birth control. There are other ways of assuring a woman doesn't get pregnant. If someone is raped and becomes pregnant, I can understand her not wanting to keep the child and it should be her choice. As For God ordering genocide, it's in the Bible if one wants to believe it. Blessings.
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@bestboy19 (5478)
• United States
6 Mar 10
I know some want to call it genocide. I call it passing judgment.
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• United States
5 Mar 10
I may be confused but it is my understanding that Genocide is the attempt at killing, or doing away with a whole religion, or specific race. Pro choice is a womans right to choose to be pregnant or not. While they both have to do with killing, they are totally opposite subjects. I must have missed another discussion, or something.
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@gewcew23 (8007)
• United States
5 Mar 10
You have not missed anything only Bestboy is confused.
@bestboy19 (5478)
• United States
5 Mar 10
My question really has to do with choice. How can one condemn God for choosing to destroy what He has created but is all right with a woman doing the same thing?
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• United States
9 Mar 10
I don't think anyone says it is all right. It is a choice, and a quite painful one at that. It comes down to choice, and whether the government can tell you that you have no choice. A woman chooses to keep the baby, that is her choice. A woman chooses not to keep the baby, that is also her choice, as it should be. Education, and knowledge is the key if we ever want abortion to be no more. Not fighting about it, or making it a moral issue. Woman who have their choice taken away, will find a way, if they feel there is no hope or no options. If God finds abortion to be a sin, then he will judge in his own way.
@iridium (431)
8 Mar 10
i have never accused god of genocide. a hypothetical force can't commit crime. people commit crime. i don't see the connection to abortion though.
@bestboy19 (5478)
• United States
8 Mar 10
If you believe God is a hypothetical force, there's no reason for you to compare the two.