Do as I say and not as I do

@laglen (19759)
United States
March 21, 2010 11:31am CST
In 2006, Democratic leaders, including then-Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, signed onto a lawsuit that Ralph Nader's group Public Citizen filed against Republicans, who were in control of Congress at the time, for using the maneuver known as "deem and pass" to finalize a deficit-reduction bill. A clerical error had been found in the House version of the bill, so Congress deemed the correct version passed without a further vote. The other Democrats who challenged the move were Reps. Henry Waxman, D-Calif., and Louise Slaughter, D-N.Y., who is now chairman of the House Rules Committee and came up with the idea to use "deem and pass" for the health care bill. The opponents of that strategy argued in court that the legislation was "invalid" because the Constitution requires a bill to "be passed in identical form by both chambers" before it becomes law. But a judge disagreed, ruling that the error and the resolution were acceptable. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/03/20/reform-dems-challenged-rule-permitting-passage-bills-vote/ hhmmm lets see how it holds up in court this time...
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@hofferp (4734)
• United States
21 Mar 10
The "deem and pass" being used this time is a far-cry from how it was used in 2006. It will be challenged in court, and this time, I predict, it will not be allowed as an "error". This is pure and simple a maneuver to get around the rules, and I'm hoping, it will go down in a blaze.
@laglen (19759)
• United States
21 Mar 10
I hope so too but I really see us cleaning this up for the next ten years.
@hofferp (4734)
• United States
21 Mar 10
If it wasn't changed, Reid put in the Senate bill that no clause, etc. in the bill could be rescinded, changed, etc. by future legislatures. If that's still in this bill, and no I haven't read it, there would be no fixing it. It's going to be a mess for decades to come, if it passes. (Now I'll get out of my pajamas and do some work.)
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@laglen (19759)
• United States
21 Mar 10
That in itself is so wrong, and can be overturned. NOTHING is set in stone. Clearly.
@gewcew23 (8007)
• United States
21 Mar 10
The meek shall rule the world and then they shall cease being meek. Who you truly are always comes out when you have power over other people. It is easy to make a stand on the moral high ground when you are in the minority.
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@laglen (19759)
• United States
21 Mar 10
Who you truly are always comes out when you have power over other people A very true and telling statement
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@dragon54u (31633)
• United States
21 Mar 10
The judge was wrong, in my opinion. I'll bet they are glad now that he ruled that way because they almost need that to pass the insurance take over bill--I hope it doesn't pass but whether is does or not, at least it will do so with an honest vote that is done according to procedure outlined by the constitution. I don't blame them for wanting to take advantage of it--politicians on both sides will do anything to get their way whether the people they are supposed to represent agree with it or not. They are all hypocrites and wh$res.
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@laglen (19759)
• United States
21 Mar 10
we as citizens need to stop and call them on the illegal behavior.
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@dragon54u (31633)
• United States
21 Mar 10
They will not listen. Nearly 70% of Americans are against this insurance reform legislation and they are voting for it anyway. We no longer matter. Vote them out in 2010!
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@laglen (19759)
• United States
21 Mar 10
absolutely!