Bart Stupak sold out

Yes, I believe that is true. They are saying Obama will be remembered as the one who made insurance available to everyone. I think he will be written down as the president who bankrupted the country to feed his own ego.

Good for him!! He must truly love this country. There are other ways to give people insurance other than putting the nation under the iron fist of the government. This is tyranny, plain and simple. The issue is NOT "heath care" but control of the insurance industry and now, through this unconstitutional law, control of the system of higher education.

I would not doubt it. I'm sure it is riddled with pork. It also takes over the student loan business, even though that has nothing to do with insurance. Now your son or daughter can be denied a loan if they want to be an accountant but the government thinks they should be an engineer or a manual laborer. This was never about "health care". That was a carefully crafted phrase to make it appealing to the sheeple. It's an insurance industry takeover.

you hit the nail on the head - serve then go.

I plan to do so this year in November. Fire everyone. And I plan to do that every election. One term should be enough for anyone. The founding fathers meant for people to serve the public then go back to their lives, not make careers of it. That's where we've gone wrong--if they know it's a limited gig they may get into it for the public good, not the benefits and perks.

Hatley, there were already programs to insure the indigent and those who were poverty stricken. To make insurance mandatory is not right, it's unconstitutional and this law will bankrupt us. Aren't you alarmed at the cuts they will be making in Medicare? I am! Not because I'm on it but because my parents are. I have health insurance but I chose to have it. I think it's a sensible expense to take on, for me. Our government has no right to tell us that we have to buy something. Plus, they have now taken over the educational loan business. Only the government can loan money for education now. Does that sound like a country that you want to live in, the free country we always loved? It doesn't to me.

okay then why is myson who is fifty and not indigent but out of work and to young to get social security and the restof the crap you say we can all get, no I do not agree with you, and you can call me names, you can insult me, but I have my own opinion and we need universal health care now, and for everyone not just you who haveplenty of money, and do not give adamn about people who are out of work and cannot get jobs yet but are trying their damnest, no there are not programs for a lot of people here and you will just convenietly overlook that, he is too young for the stuff, he is not indigent, he is just out of work, and looking hard, do not argue any longer as I respect you to believe whatever you will but you respect my feelings and do not try to change me or flame me as I will not stand for that.I am on medicare and a gap hmo and I am okay. its p eople who are wo king but cannot afford the outrageous health insurance that worries me sick.Myson could not afford health insuirance even when he was working and no he was not indigent or poverty stricken,.you just will not believe some working people cannot afford health insurance and still feed house and clothe their families. wake up everyone is not as well off as you must be, and we do deserve to have help.sorry we must agree to disagree. Ishould never have even responded as I just got the same old crap fed to us who are well to do. do you really think that if working people could afford health insurance they would not buy it? get real.

Hard telling, and we may never know the details of their arm-twisting. I don't understand how someone can sell out their country and their freedom. I just hope that they eventually realize what their greed has brought them and are horrified at themselves. I won't hold my breath, though.