Exposing Liars and their deception.
By Gordano
@Gordano (795)
United States
April 17, 2010 12:17am CST
Why do Churches preached and keep preaching that one of the Pharisees is an apostle of Jesus ?
I'm a firm believer that the so-called apostle Paul (originally Saul of Tarsus) is nothing but a liar employed by the Devil to get ride of All the Pure teachings of Jesus Christ, Paul never met Jesus, and certainly he is not one of the disciples of Jesus, plus he is one of the Pharisees as he said about himself.
while it is very true that Paul never met Jesus, Paul Claimed seeing Jesus in a vision in his road to Damascus, Paul's account of his Damascus Road Experience changed every time he told it, There are three different accounts of Paul's testimony of the Damascus Road Revelation that we know of in the Scriptures, the very words out of Paul's mouth. All 3 were different accounts of the same event. These weren't translation errors, they were different stories of the same event as told by himself, Yet, almost half of the New Testament today are books Paul wrote.
[u]Paul himself was the Only witness of this Damascus road vision, but yet, there are 3 different accounts of the same event as told by Paul!
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[b]Acts 9:3-4
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( 3 )And as he journeyed, he came near Damascus: and suddenly there shined round about him a light from heaven:
( 4 ) [i]And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?
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[b]and Acts 9:7
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And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice, but seeing no man.
now in Acts 22:6-9
( 6 )And it came to pass, that, as I made my journey, and was come nigh unto Damascus about noon, suddenly there shone from heaven a great light round about me.
( 7 ) [i]And I fell unto the ground, and heard a voice saying unto me, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?
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( 8 ) And I answered, Who art thou, Lord? And he said unto me, I am Jesus of Nazareth, whom thou persecutest.
( 9 ) [i]And they that were with me saw indeed the light, and were afraid; but they heard not the voice of him that spake to me.
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and in Acts 26
( 12 ) Whereupon as I went to Damascus with authority and commission from the chief priests,
( 13 ) [i]At midday, O king, I saw in the way a light from heaven, above the brightness of the sun, shining round about me and them which journeyed with me.
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( 14 ) And when we were all fallen to the earth, I heard a voice speaking unto me, and saying in the Hebrew tongue, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? it is hard for thee to kick against the pr1cks.
[b]- Only Paul or All of them fallen to the earth ?
- the men that was with him sow the Light but heard not the voice, Or they heard the voice but sow nothing ?[/b]
as you see Paul's account of his Damascus Road Experience changed every time he told it, Simply because Liars can't keep up with the truth.
we can Ignore All of these Lies and rely on the teachings of Paul, to see if he was really an apostle of Jesus, it is quite known that any apostle of Jesus must preach the same message as it was preached by Jesus, non of the apostles can make up things of his own and preach it in the name of Jesus, they must preach the same Message.
Matthew 10:5-6
( 5 ) These twelve Jesus sent forth, ( Paul was not one of them ) and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
( 6 ) [i]But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
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Jesus also said it also to the woman of Canaan " I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel."
but Paul used to preach to Romans, Galatians, Corinthians, Colossians, and Thessalonians , All of them are not belong to the house of Israel.
Paul used to preach Another Teachings to another People.
I don't think that Paul is an apostle, but he is a deceiver, what about you ?
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7 responses
@urbandekay (18278)
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17 Apr 10
Acts is not written, as you claim, by Paul but by Luke the Evangelist. Scripture is written by inspiration of the Holy Spirit but where there is conflict the teachings of Jesus take precedence, since only Jesus lives a sin free life and therefore only Jesus is in total communion with God. His teachings thus take precedence over all scripture both before and after his time.
You quote Jesus saying his ministry is only to the house of Israel but what you don't seem to understand is that was his first mission, one to reform Judaism when that was rejected by the Jews he began his second mission. Culminating in the great commission:
19Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen. kjv
all the best urban
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@strawberrychocodahi (4817)
• Philippines
17 Apr 10
I have a question for you, do you think that the teachings of Paul speaks about himself or to Jesus Christ? Do you think that in any way his teachings would do harm or anything deceiving because it was really against the preaching of the Lord Jesus Christ?
Do you not know that God has a compassionate heart towards both Jews and the Gentiles, and to say that not to preach the gospel to others would be bias. It says preach the good news to all Nations as found in Matthew 28:18-20.
Apostle Paul was not included in the 12 disciples that time and didn't Judas betrayed Christ even if you consider him being with Jesus Christ all along. If you do have a doubt on the vision of what Apostle Paul has on the road to Damascus, may you ask the God Almighty to give you understanding about it and not to brand him a liar or deceiving. If we really belong to Christ, the Spirit of the Living God will enlighten our hearts and minds. I am not a Bible Scholar or have studied Bible Theology to answer much or in further details, but one thing I know of is this, if I have questions and doubt about the Word of God, be it in the Old Testament or the New Testament, I will humbly bow down and seek God to speak in my heart and mind. Please do consider the same thing and not to pin point about heresy but to pray even more. God dwells to what is truth and with justice, not deception and lies to where the god of this world is.
@Gordano (795)
• United States
18 Apr 10
[i]do you think that the teachings of Paul speaks about himself or to Jesus Christ?
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I do think that the teachings of Paul speaks about himself.
1 Corinthians 7:25
Now concerning virgins I have no commandment of the Lord: yet I give my judgment.
1 Corinthians 7:12
But to the rest speak I, not the Lord: If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she be pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her away.
Do you think that in any way his teachings would do harm or anything deceiving because it was really against the preaching of the Lord Jesus Christ?
Yes, the teachings of Paul are deciption and contradict the teachings of Jesus Christ, you can find a remark to this in Luke 10:25-27
Jesus Christ when He was asked "what shall I do to inherit eternal life? "
Jesus responded saying:
He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou?
And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.
And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.
You can find it in Matthew 19:16-19 and Mark 10:17-19
while Jesus Christ said to the man that the Law is the way to inherit eternal life, the amazing Paul said that the law is a curse !!
we can easily see that Paul was against the Law.
"But now we are Delivered form the Law" (Rom 7:6)
"A man is not justified by works of the Law, but by faith f Jesus Christ" (Gal. 2:16)
"For as many as are of the works of the Law are Under the Curse" (Gal. 3:10)
@gewcew23 (8007)
• United States
17 Apr 10
I love this, a Muslim trying to discredit Christianity. Great job except your religion is just as much make believe as Christianity is. What makes the Apostle Paul a liar and the Prophet Muhammad not? You last statement I don't think that Paul is an apostle, but he is a deceiver, what about you, I agree with you 100% and also Muhammad too.
@headhunter525 (3548)
• India
17 Apr 10
Not all Pharisees were not bad people as such. It's just that some were legalistic and corrupt. Paul was much more well educated than your prophet Mohammad who was almost illiterate.
With your kind of post you will not make friendship with Christians nor will Christians be convinced of your arguments. Your posts are highly polemical and it seems to show that your religion is aggressive, wanting to get into fight.
@urbandekay (18278)
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17 Apr 10
As I understand it, correctly translated the text says Mohammed was unlearned not illiterate. That is to say he was not an academic. He would certainly have needed basic numeracy and literacy for his work.
all the best urban
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@headhunter525 (3548)
• India
18 Apr 10
How much literate is Mohammad is highly debatable. Non-Muslims argue that Mohammad could not write such a book i.e Quran, without being well educated. But Muslims say that Mohammad was not learned and the Quran was a product of miracle. I used the phrase 'almost illiterate'. I think the arabic term about Mohammad's knowledge/literacy is debated. I can't quite get the right arabic term now.
@Pose123 (21635)
• Canada
17 Apr 10
Hi Gordano, You make an interesting point here and there are many others who are doubtful about Paul. Some people believe that the Bible is inspired and many preachers and churches today can be very thankful to whoever came up with that idea in the first place. Now all they have to do is say that it's in the Bible and the faithful accept it. Biblical scholars say that the letters attributed to Paul were written by three different people and I would agree, it's practically impossible to believe that they were all written by the same person. I have often wondered if Paul, not being able to stop the spread of the teachings of Christ, decided to join the Christian movement and bring about the changes that he wanted from the inside. It is known that there were internal fighting among the early Christians and that the group led by Paul eventually won. It is also reported that when the Emperor Constantine became a Christian, he also saw a sign in the sky and hear a voice - perhaps he was taking a page from Paul's book. It is interesting to note that although accepting Christianity, Constantine still insisted that like other emperors before him, he must still be considered a God. I have no fault with Paul's wanting to preach to the gentiles because the teachings of Christ were meant for everyone - if they really were Christ's teachings. I must tell you that I feel that no holy book is infallible. Blessings.
@headhunter525 (3548)
• India
18 Apr 10
Which scholar say that the letters attributed to Paul were written by three different people? The traditional view about Paul's authorship are disputed, and it's difficult to attribute it to three people. Your speculation on Paul's reason for conversion is very puzzling. Why on earth would he risk his life to change from within? Had he remain outside he would have so much power. Eventually it's because he came within that he was killed. I don't find your argument strong enough to explain away the account given by Luke.
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@Gordano (795)
• United States
23 Apr 10
Hello Pose,
Do you mean the Johannine works ? (Gospel of John, the first, second, and third epistles of John, and the Book of Revelation)
I know that Scholars have debated the authorship of the Johannine works, as for Paul, Scholars have not debated the authorship of his works, but the purpose of All of his teachings, which contradict the Original teachings of Jesus Christ, specially in the most important thing, on being saved.
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@zim1fW (284)
• Philippines
17 Apr 10
GOrdano, you're too hasty in judging St. Paul as a liar. If the Apostle Peter and the rest of the apostles accepted him and his ministry, should you not accept that too.
Take note also that the author of the Acts of the Apostle was not St. Paul himself. If there might be differences in the accounts made, that does not logically mean that St. Paul lied. Many details can be missed or included in the same event that you may at surface look at either of them as error. But they were just accounts written using different details of the same event.
If you look at the gospels you might get crazy look at some many clear differences in accounts about Jesus. But take not that Scriptures are documents of faith and not of history. If you will forget that I will be wondering how you would be able to believe the way Christians believe in Jesus.
