Should the pledge be said at debates?

@laglen (19759)
United States
October 23, 2010 12:23am CST
Well evidentally the League of Women Voters dont think so. However, luckily the audience does. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-M61pDT05A8 I found this very interesting. What do you think?
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@epicure35 (2814)
• United States
24 Oct 10
Amen and kudos to the audience. Thank God that some Americans understand what is happening to our country and our eroding freedoms. Thank God there are still true patriots in this country. We will soon have to rise up literally and physically as the audience did in this video in order to reclaim our country. How small-minded and ignorant of the League of Women Voters showed themselves to be. How disdainful of the will of We The People. How liberal and facist in their leanings. Since when can we not say the Pledge of Allegiance in our own country at their dictatorial command? The woman speaking showed herself to be a useless human being and a useful idiot to those who oppose liberty and a free America. Shame on her/them.
• Belgium
24 Oct 10
Wow, that's certainly a very extreme interpretation of what happened. She simply said, "We usually don't say the pledge." How was she supposed to know that every person in the crowd felt it absolutely necessary to recite the pledge before a debate? PS: Liberal and fascist? Aren't those polar opposites?
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• Belgium
25 Oct 10
Watch out now, there's a difference between being fascist and being totalitarian/authoritarian. Fascism is right-wing extremism. Criticize them all you want for their authoritarian side, but at least do it using the correct words.
@epicure35 (2814)
• United States
25 Oct 10
No, Gopher, liberal and facist are not opposits. Liberals ARE facists. Anyone who does not march "lockstep" to their edicts is demeaned, attacked. They just did it to one of their own, Juan Williams, remember? No one may dissent from their policies, tenets. Theoretically, in past times "liberal" on paper might have meant something different and more "lofty", but, in fact and in practice, these "liberal" monsters are removing our freedoms, not just freedom of speech and expression. Wake up and smell the coffee. Also read "United in Hate" by Dr. Jamie Glazov, "The Left's Romance With Tyranny and Terror."
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@hofferp (4734)
• United States
23 Oct 10
Unlike some, when I say the pledge of allegiance, I'm not just reciting words. I mean it. And so did my uncles, aunts, father and mother who fought and served in World War II. By the way, they don't call themselves German-Russian-Americans, nor do I, we're Americans and proud of it. And tell me what's wrong with that? I'm tired of the political correctness cr*p, and it's about time Americans start standing up for what they believe.
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@laglen (19759)
• United States
23 Oct 10
Hoorah!
• Belgium
23 Oct 10
Honestly, I really don't like nationalism in general. This whole idea that we must agree with our country and that we must pride ourselves in its values is nauseating. Not to mention, the whole concept of being "under God" just seems arrogant and disrespectful. It just too naive and simplistic if you ask me. As George Bernard Shaw said, "Patriotism is your conviction that this country is superior to all other countries because you were born in it." Sure, you can be glad to belong to a certain culture and like the fact that you live in a democratic system, but to feel pride in that? You didn't participate in it; you just happened to be born on that chunk of land. So I really don't give a damn if people say the pledge or not. However, to feel the need to force others into it just comes across as conceited: "Look at me! Look at me! I want everyone to say the Pledge! This definitely shows I love my country and am pro-American!" It's a bit like those that feel the need to brag about how they've donated to charity. If you love your country, then that's good for you. It's not reciting a couple of memorized words that is going to change anything. Sorry, I've rambled on, but it's just one of those things that gets on my nerves.
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• Belgium
23 Oct 10
Oh, and I was thinking about this, and realized people might respond, "Oh, but no one was forced into saying it." Sure thing, but this whole "reciting the pledge to prove my love for America" mindset is something I don't really like. However, don't get me wrong, it's not that I don't like the fact that they're saying it. They're free to do whatever they want. It's more the fact that they feel the need to do it as if it actually proves anything...
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@laglen (19759)
• United States
23 Oct 10
Hawaii, thank you for your input and another side to the argument.
@laglen (19759)
• United States
23 Oct 10
Rich, thank you for the back up, I didnt bother looking.
@Latrivia (2878)
• United States
23 Oct 10
Sure, they can say the pledge at the debates if they want to - but not in the middle of the debate. They interrupted the woman with their flag-waving patriotic display. That's just rude.
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@laglen (19759)
• United States
23 Oct 10
It wasnt the middle of the debate, they were getting started and somebody wondered why they werent saying the pledge.
@Latrivia (2878)
• United States
23 Oct 10
The woman asked if she had a point of order, which tells me she already had the floor and was starting into her argument. They may not have literally been in the middle of the debate, but it was already underway.
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@Latrivia (2878)
• United States
23 Oct 10
Actually, now that I read into it, it was a moderator that was interrupted. Though I'm inclined to agree with her on the issue of phony patriotism.
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• United States
26 Oct 10
Even though the mediator said she has nothing against saying the Pledge, her tone said she does. This seems odd to me. I would have thought the League of Women Voters would have insisted on saying the Pledge.
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@laglen (19759)
• United States
26 Oct 10
one would think, but I guess not.
@bestboy19 (5478)
• United States
2 Nov 10
"Should," sounds like an order. If the organizers of a debate ask the audience if they would like to say the pledge, that would be nice.
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@laglen (19759)
• United States
2 Nov 10
I agree but that was not an option from the moderator
@matersfish (6306)
• United States
23 Oct 10
I think my favorite cartoon guys laid it out as good as it can be. Dr. Weird: "Am I invisible?" Steve: "Umm... no." Dr. Weird: "Why not!?"
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@laglen (19759)
• United States
25 Oct 10
oops sorry, didnt see ya there!