62 students per class?

@laglen (19759)
United States
January 17, 2011 8:59am CST
Detroit Public Schools may close half of their public schools and increase high school class sizes to 62 students. Yikes! Emergency Financial Manager Robert Bobb is trying to balance the budget with a huge deficit of $327 million. I wonder of there isnt a better way, class sizes that big seem dangerous to me. Plenty are against this - obviously the teacher unions. This is against their contracts. Bobb is making huge cuts all the way around. I applaud wanting to cut and get the budget under control, but I think this is not the way to go. I worry for the kids. Will they be able to be educated? What do you think? http://detnews.com/article/20110112/SCHOOLS/101120356/Without-aid--DPS-may-close-half-of-its-schools There is a lot of information here, I like the New Orleans idea of turning abandoned school buildings into charter schools. What is your opinion?
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@hofferp (4734)
• United States
17 Jan 11
Sounds to me like the union(s) needs to get out of the way and let people come up with some "out of the box" thinking about how best to educate our children. (It's not like there hasn't been millions spent on education research/education experiments/...) Maybe, charter schools, home-schooling, larger class-room sizes for some kids, etc. may work. When I taught at a university, I had 160 "kids" in one class. They ranged from 16 to 80 or so. For some (middle/high schoolers), a larger class room size may not (probably not ideal, but...) negatively affect learning. But maybe we need to look at what the kids can/cannot do and approach their education needs that way, rather than what the teachers unions have worked out in the past, mostly for the good of the union(s); and secondly, for teachers; and lastly, for our kids... Oh, by the way, where is the federal Department of Education? Oh, I forgot, passing down more goals/mandates...
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@laglen (19759)
• United States
18 Jan 11
I agree some "out of the box" thinking is what is in order. I know here in Denver they have tracks for kids. It is all year long classes. They get more students in but not all at the same time.
@laglen (19759)
• United States
18 Jan 11
Not sure, I have a niece that attends and everybody seems to be happy.
@hofferp (4734)
• United States
18 Jan 11
I bet the teachers union loves that one. But I think it's a great idea. How did the teachers take it?
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@lizmik143 (137)
• Philippines
17 Jan 11
In my country, it is not something to be shocked about. Due to less teachers in some area and even limited classroom buildings because of less budget, students are cramped in one classroom like 50-60 students. There are even areas where there is one teacher for two classroom of students. Just imagine how can students learn.
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@laglen (19759)
• United States
18 Jan 11
Money will never take the place of a good education. All high school seniors, in my opinion, should have to take and pass the citizenship test. Kids should NOT move to the next grade until they have mastered the grade they were in. But also, I think the education should fit the child. If the kid excels in math, their education should be in math. If the kid excels in building things, they should not be required to take band. I understand the need for a rounded education but I think they put too much emphasis on one thing when the other would do that student much better.
• United States
13 Feb 11
it's shameful that schools are even on the list for big cuts. education is vital to these kids future. there was 41 kids in my class when i went to junior high,and even at that number all it took was 2 kids going off on opposite sides of the class and that was a waste of 30 minutes. i don't know what detroit teachers get paid,but around here they start at 65K.. which is why they're broke and having such huge classes.
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@laglen (19759)
• United States
18 Feb 11
Here in Colorado, our teachers start at 22,000.
@katsmeow1213 (28716)
• United States
17 Jan 11
There has to be a better way. Lots of schools are considering options like this though. One local district has closed 3 schools in the past 2 years and is now debating combining another 2. They want to make one of their schools go from Kindergarten all the way up to 8th grade. Some parents are all for it, while others are against. Personally I would not want my kindergartener going to school with 8th graders. I like the way my district has it, K-3 in one school, 4-5 in another which is connected to the middle school (4th through high school ride the same bus.. that is the only down side here) and then the seperate high school.
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@laglen (19759)
• United States
18 Jan 11
yet another reason why there is no control in the class room. I wonder if the charter schools in the abandoned schools might be a better idea. Parents then have a choice. But the you have to wonder at what the parents are like.
@Adoniah (7512)
• United States
18 Jan 11
When I went to school, my school went from kindergarten thru eigth grade. We all rode the same bus, but the little ones rode up front always. It was kind of handy since the older kids were the baby sitters for the little ones whose parents worked. Since everyone got home at the same time, it worked out well. We had about 40 to 45 kids to a class. If you did not pay attention you just flunked. Of course today, if a teacher tries to flunk a kid they stand a chance of getting fired. Idiocy. That is why there is no control in the classrooms.
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@matersfish (6306)
• United States
18 Jan 11
Every day's a pep rally!
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@laglen (19759)
• United States
18 Jan 11
lol thats seeing it in a positive light!
@K46620 (1986)
• United States
18 Jan 11
I think we will start seeing more of this. Governments will not be able to afford their excessive spending, cuts must be made everywhere. We simply don't have the economy needed to support the standard of living we are used to.
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@laglen (19759)
• United States
18 Jan 11
Do you think this is where to start? I think educating children IS the primary focus of schools. So why not start with admin and other unnecessary departments
@K46620 (1986)
• United States
18 Jan 11
I agree it's not the best place to start- and it probably is not the first place they started, as far as I know.
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@cutepenguin (6430)
• Canada
18 Jan 11
wow...I don't think the kids would learn anything if class sizes doubled. I hope they find a different solution. Obviously they have to get the budget under control, though - they can't just make money appear out of nowhere.
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@laglen (19759)
• United States
18 Jan 11
I agree, I would start at the administration level. If you do not have direct contact with students, you should go.
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
17 Jan 11
Sounds like 62 arguments FOR home schooling. ;~D
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@laglen (19759)
• United States
18 Jan 11
I agree, 100%!
@cripfemme (7698)
• United States
17 Jan 11
I think that this is scary. I have been a teacher at the college level and frankly those people made a lot less support then people that are still in the public school system. A lot of young people look up to teachers because they don't have functional adult role models. Hoe is one teacher supposed to role model for sixty two students. It is impossible, or at least it seems to me.
@laglen (19759)
• United States
18 Jan 11
I agree and this is one instance that I agree with the teacher unions. In this day and age and with the rampant violence, broken homes etc, I just dont see how any learning will be done here.
@Adoniah (7512)
• United States
17 Jan 11
If they do this, they should make it mandatory that members of the families "volunteer" to work in the classrooms as assistants. They do that here in the lower grades to make sure that there is individual attention for each child when they need it. The parent(or other family member) does not necessarily volunteer in their own child's class. This would help in many ways...the family would be involved in the child's education, and the school would receive much needed assistance. It is either that or the City will go bankrupt and then there will be no school or city no nuthin...The Feds have already ruled that they will not bail cities or states out...which I think is a good thing. The rest of us who are barely making it cannot start bailing everyone else out.
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@laglen (19759)
• United States
18 Jan 11
I think that is a great idea. My daughter attended a charter school from K to 10th grade. This was our tuition. Volunteer 4 hours a month. It save the school a ton of money, made parents more involved with their child education and the our school was much more tightly knit!
@Shar19 (8236)
• United States
17 Jan 11
Wow! That sure would be a lot of kids in one classroom. I really don't see how the kids will be able to learn well that way. The teacher needs to be able to give the individual students attention too.
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@laglen (19759)
• United States
18 Jan 11
I agree and at 62 students, there is just no way. And then there is the danger side to it, this is an inner city.
@megamatt (14290)
• United States
17 Jan 11
No kidding, those are some big class sizes. I think that in many cases thirty is really pushing in. It really depends on the subject, but thirty to me seems like the absolute maximum. Sixty two...they would be packed in there and I know I would be annoyed, because there is no room to breath. Plus sixty two, children or teenagers in the same room. I feel pity on the poor teachers as well. Managing a class of twenty to twenty five is bad enough. This is many times that.
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@laglen (19759)
• United States
18 Jan 11
I agree, there is danger in a class this size as well.