I like your old stuff better than your new stuff

@RawBill1 (8531)
Gold Coast, Australia
March 30, 2011 3:26am CST
Over the years I have found that many of my favourite albums from my favourite bands come from their earlier albums and not their later work. This is true for me with bands such as AC/DC, Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath, Deep Purple, U2, REM, Def Leppard, Midnight Oil....the list goes on! Why do you think this is? Do bands just get complacent or do they lose their creativity over time? The only band that this is not true for in my case is The Beatles where I actually prefer their later albums. I think this could be due to the fact that after they stopped touring, they got really creative in the studio. Is this true for you too with your favourite bands or do have some which you like their later work more or at least as much as their earlier work?
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@Janey1966 (24170)
• Carlisle, England
30 Mar 11
Do you possess all the albums from all the bands you mention? It's just that Black Sabbath (as an example) have had a few singers over time and I was wondering if you're familiar with all of them? I do know what you mean though. U2 haven't done what I would call a brilliant album for quite some time and that Bono is so far up his own...well, you get my drift! Did you know writers are running out of melodies? Think about it. There are only a few notes in the musical, er, spectrum aren't there? Eventually, over time there will be some repetitive stuff going on, which explains cover versions of course, as the writers can't be bothered thinking up new stuff because they can't... ...unless he's Tony Clarkin from Magnum!
@RawBill1 (8531)
• Gold Coast, Australia
31 Mar 11
No, not at all. I have had a lot of albums from those bands in one form or another over the years though on vinyl, cassette, CD or digitally. I have all The Beatles on CD, most of Led Zeppelin on CD, the rest digitally that I used to have on record and cassette. I have a few AC/DC albums on CD, the rest (and I mean everything they have ever done) I have digitally. I have one Black Sabbath album on CD, which is Paranoid, my favourite of theirs, but I have the rest of their earlier collection (all of Ozzy's first stint and Ronny James Dio) but I am not interested in any of the later forms of the band. The original lineup is the best and I am glad they got back together in that form in the end. Deep Purple were another band that did all that lineup changing constantly, but their stuff with Ian Gillan is the best, followed by the earlier stuff with David Coverdale before they went a bit soft! I have most of their albums digitally as well. I do not have any REM or U2 albums anymore, but I did have on cassette many moons ago and I have a selection of their songs digitally. I have a few of Midnight Oils earlier albums on CD, but I used to have their whole collection in the 80's on record and cassette. Then the 90's hit and they turned boring!
@RawBill1 (8531)
• Gold Coast, Australia
31 Mar 11
No Tony Martin! I have not even looked into Black Sabbath's music during the later years. For me, Ozzy is the best and I prefer to listen to his stuff with Sabbath the most. I read his Autobiography (which I own) and thought it was a great read. Really funny! The other exceptions to my rule would be The Doors, (I like their first and last albums the best) and Pink Floyd where I like pretty much all their albums, but the stuff that they did in the middle of their career in the 70's is what I like the most better than their 60's and 80's music. That was when they were at their peak. I like the early Whitesnake stuff as well. Coverdale is sounding very much like Deep Purple on those first albums. I have some Dio in digital form as well.
@Janey1966 (24170)
• Carlisle, England
1 Apr 11
How old did you say you were again? Haha! You were born in the wrong decade my friend! Have you got an early solo LP by David Coverdale called "Northwinds?" It's very bluesy and is really good. I love Jon Lord's keyboard work on the early Whitesnake albums. I saw them at Donington (the later one) when Steve Vai played guitar and they weren't the same. He was so self-indulgent it was untrue. Talk about twiddly bits, they lasted ages! Get on with the singing I say! Below is "Ain't No Love In The Heart Of The City"..a track I've liked for years. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MA3DNlBMNL0&feature=related
@veganbliss (3895)
• Adelaide, Australia
11 Apr 11
I'm not that much interested in music, at least not the sort most people listen to. But I reckon Bill can make pretty much anything interesting, so I'll give it a go. I've tried reading through all the comments first, & I can't say I saw one mention of the Bee Gees! Didn't they grow up in Queensland? What's going on? I reckon some of their later stuff is better than some of their earlier stuff. I tried to comment on this discussion weeks ago, but My Lot found something wrong with my posting & wiped everything. Hope it works this time. Had no idea what I wrote, but I couldn't see anything wrong with it. I think a lot of today's bands are just copying the older ones with nothing really genuinely outstandingly original anymore. A classic example would be those boys from Perth - Empire of the Sun, I think they're called. They take sixties & seventies music & just put it in a blender. You can actually sing along to part of the original music in their songs... they don't even try to disguise it! Remember how Spiks [sic, for My Lot violation acceptance] & Specks picked up Kookaburra Sits in the Old Gum Tree from Men At Work's big hit? Now those guys at least gave it a good shot at making it look like their own. I think a lot of what has gone wrong is that artists are no longer being paid very well for their albums due to the ease of their work being able to be ripped off the internet. Whatddayareckon, Bill?
@RawBill1 (8531)
• Gold Coast, Australia
11 Apr 11
I could not imagine life without being into music. It is a huge interest of mine. Yep, MyLot has been playing up lately. I keep getting error messages so I have been copying my responses into a draft email and them pasting them the following day instead whenever i get the error message. The Bee Gees did grow up in Brisbane. I actually have a friend who used to hang around with them and sing with them at local pubs before they got famous. Back in those days, they had open night where anyone could get up and have a sing and the Gibb brothers and my friend were regulars in that scene. Then old man Gibb took his boys to London to seek their fame over there and the rest is history! I do know Empire of the Sun and like this song of theirs. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eimgRedLkkU There are a lot of good musicians out there these days, particularly here in Australia, but most are not doing anything terribly original, which is understanding considering the limitations in traditional instruments and the amount of music that is already out there. I do not listen to mainstream radio, only Triple J, but I occasionally listen to the local ABC radio station Coast FM and another local station Rebel FM which is commercial, but not exactly mainstream. They play lots of songs of albums that you have not heard for years and that the mainstream stations never play.
@RawBill1 (8531)
• Gold Coast, Australia
20 Apr 11
Yeah, there are many songs that seem to pinch lines straight from other songs. I don't know how they get away with it most of the time, but this has been going on since before Rock n Roll was invented! Who is Adam Hills?
@RawBill1 (8531)
• Gold Coast, Australia
21 Apr 11
Ah, Ok. I actually did a myLot search on him after I posted the comment. I get three or four ABC channels, but we do not watch a lot of TV. I have seen the show in the past though and quite liked it. Why is the CD closer to me. Have you guys shipped some stuff up here already? How is your moving plan going?
@ANTIQUELADY (36440)
• United States
30 Mar 11
I'm an 'oldies but goodies' fan, Don't care much for the new music that's out nowadays. I have always been ab ELVIS fan & i love the old country music. Don't care a thing about the music they call new country. It is not country music to me at all.
@ANTIQUELADY (36440)
• United States
31 Mar 11
tHERE WERE ALOT OF OTHERS THAT I LIKED. I'm just an oldies but goodies fan. I loved all the motown artists & still do. It was very sad that elvis let his life go in the wrong direction like he did. what a waste when anyone chooses to go down that path. Have a good one, bill.
@RawBill1 (8531)
• Gold Coast, Australia
1 Apr 11
Mowtown definitely pumped out a few great tunes that have withstood the test of time too.
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@RawBill1 (8531)
• Gold Coast, Australia
1 Apr 11
Oops, Motown I mean! Detroit is not a lawn mower town!
@JenInTN (27514)
• United States
1 Apr 11
I think they do lose a certain amount of creativity...I enjoy those bands too. I think they might just be trying to hang on to what they know is good too. Sometimes the fear of failing is worse than not trying at all.
@RawBill1 (8531)
• Gold Coast, Australia
1 Apr 11
I guess there is always the fact that they lose enthusiasm for a job that they have done for a while, but do not know what else to do. And once they get quite successful, what is going to bring them the same financial rewards for the same effort as just pumping another album out?
@Liliac26 (557)
• Romania
31 Mar 11
It might be because they changed their focus from being creative to making money. It's understandable really, it happens to all of us. When we're young we can live from almost nothing, as long as we're passionate. As we grow older, we need more financial stability and we start worrying about things. Our whole mentality changes, it's difficult to be the starving artist when you're middle-aged. Or maybe they just run out of ideas after giving their all on the first few albums. Maybe the band members have evolved in different directions or the line-up has changed. There could be many reasons.
@RawBill1 (8531)
• Gold Coast, Australia
31 Mar 11
To true! it is understandable as just like any job that we normal people have, we start out all excited about the new job, but by the time we have been there a few years, we are ready to move on and explore new horizons and work with different people. I could not imagine working with the same people for 30 odd years like some bands do!
@ajk111 (2495)
30 Mar 11
i agree with you RawBill1. i am trying to think of a group that has had more than 4 albums and have managed to keep up the momentum. the rolling stones, rem, u2 etc, all seem to lose their karma after the big bucks start rolling in. still, we have our memories eh?
@RawBill1 (8531)
• Gold Coast, Australia
31 Mar 11
True ajk111, we do have our memories of these great old albums, perhaps that is why they are more appealing to me than the newer stuff from the same artists too. @kukueye. There are still some great bands coming out with fantastic music these days, you just need to get off the mainstream airways that are jammed with commercial rubbish to find them. I listen to an alternative station that has lots of good new music.
• Canada
30 Mar 11
Journey is one of my favorite bands and has been since I was younger. I absolutely like their earlier work better, for a number of reasons - not the least of which is changing band members. The longer a band is around, the greater the likelihood that its member components will change. In Journey's case, Steve Perry was "the voice." They've had some good material since others took over lead vocals but Perry will always be the sound of Journey to me. Also, I listen to their newer material and I get this impression that they are just doing what they want now as opposed to what might be more popular, timely or well-received. For instance, after hearing a couple of tracks from the new material for their upcoming tour, I feel like it's becoming "the Neal Schon show" and not Journey. The new singer, Arnel Pineda (that they found via youtube), he really can sing and does an admirable job... but the band doesn't feel like a cohesive unit to me anymore. I also believe that, as a band ages, the members are often pulled towards individual ventures or they simply want to pursue other things in life... and it makes their music less about the sum of the parts as it is in the heyday of their success.
@RawBill1 (8531)
• Gold Coast, Australia
31 Mar 11
I have heard of Journey before a few times, but I am not aware of any of their songs. I don't think they made much of an impression down here in Australia. I do know one Steve Perry song though that I liked many years ago, so I have known for years about him, but I had no idea that he was in Journey. I think it is a rare thing that a band can stay together long term and still pump out the same quality of music that they did in their formative energetic years.
@Aussies2007 (5336)
• Australia
30 Mar 11
Interesting question. Even more interesting since your are still a young guy of 38. For any band wanting to survive more than a decade, they need to re-invent themselve in order to appeal to the next generation and its new taste in music. Very few can do that successfully. And more so, they cannot change their genre without offending their original fans. Madonna is actually the only person who has managed to stay at the top of her profession for the last 30 years by continually re-inventing herself, without offending her fans from her early beginnings. At 50, she would put to shame any 20 year old. The Beatles only lasted a decade. Paul McCartney tried to re-invent the wheel with Wings. But people went to see Paul McCartney, not Wings. Mick Jagger did a fairly good job at re-inventing himself during the eighties, which permitted the Rolling Stones to survive 40 years. The bottom line is that you have to be dedicated and be serious about it. It is a job and a business. If you start partying as soon as you made 10 million, by the time the party is over, so is your business. You cannot stop and make a comeback 5 years later. You have to stay with it. So if you look at all the famous bands of the past and all their great hits, most of them were at the top for less than 10 years. Solo singers actually last a lot longer, because they don't have the in-fighting that bands have between their members. Dozen of solo singers have survived 30 or 40 years in the past like Madonna is doing today. Many of the greats of the 50's were still singing on stage in the 80's. So to answer your question, the reason you don't like the latest music of your favourite bands, is because you are stuck with the music you liked as a teenager. And you are not the only one. 90% of the music I listen to is prior to 1980.
@RawBill1 (8531)
• Gold Coast, Australia
31 Mar 11
You have some good points there Aussies. Madonna has been highly successful at doing that, but I still prefer to listen to her first couple of albums from the 80's than all the rest of her later stuff. Wings did have a few good songs but a lot of their stuff was a bit bland. I think George Harrison was actually the most creative Beatle throughout the following years after the band. The Stones had some great albums early in their career and then again in the 70's which was a pretty good achievement over such a long period of time. Maybe this was due to themselves having some new members around this time which gave them a fresh feel? "The bottom line is that you have to be dedicated and be serious about it. It is a job and a business." This is why AC/DC have been so successful over the years. They have stuck to a proven formula, always been very professional and treated the band as a business. It was always Malcolm Young's band and he was and still is the driving force behind their professionalism. There is no way that they would have been able to do a Madonna and reinvent themselves. I am stuck with the music that I grew up with, but I also listen to a lot of new music as well, from a lot of new bands that have that same raw energy about them that my favourite older bands had in their early days. As for my age, well I always liked 60's music as a child for some reason and then I started work as a teenager and started mixing with an older generation who were into that same music as well. That interest is still there for me.
• United States
30 Mar 11
I have found this to be true many times as well. I think it is because their old stuff is just raw and honest. But then when they start getting more popular there is more pressure to be creative and they actually lose it by trying too hard. They are under the pressure to perform and lose some of the purity and honesty that they had before.
@RawBill1 (8531)
• Gold Coast, Australia
31 Mar 11
That is a pretty good explanation of what happens I think. They tend to be bursting with creative energy when they first start out as they have all the teenage years when they were going through so many rapid changes to draw from and lots of time to hone their skills. Then they get popular, get under pressure to repeat and tour and they lose that momentum. This is why The Beatles did so well in the studio after they took that pressure away from themselves. They only had to worry about recording and writing. (and infighting too)