The First Amendment only protects Christians?

@dark_joev (3034)
United States
July 20, 2011 11:01pm CST
As I know many of you don't believe this because well how can you get that from an amendment that clear as day says the following bolded for those that might of missed it. "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances." So now you are most likely moved on to the second question why would I post something like this? Well it turns out that one Bryan Fischer believes that it is not a right but a privilage to follow any religion besides Christianity in the United States. "The First Amendment was written by the Founders to protect the free exercise of Christianity. They were making no effort to give special protections to Islam. Quite the contrary. We actually at the time were dealing with our first encounters with jihad in the form of the Barbary Pirates, which is why Jefferson bought a copy of the Koran. He was told by the Bey of Tripoli that Islam requires Muslims to rob, kill and pillage infidel Christians wherever they find them. Jefferson naturally found that hard to believe, so he bought a copy of the Koran to read it for himself. Sure enough, it's right in there, in the 109 verses of the Koran that call for violence against the infidels." Maybe he forgot the whole part where we declare that the United States is in no way a Christian nation while a large number may be Christian. That the war was against the acts of these men and not the religion for which they follow. "Islam has no fundamental First Amendment claims, for the simple reason that it was not written to protect the religion of Islam. Islam is entitled only to the religious liberty we extend to it out of courtesy. While there certainly ought to be a presumption of religious liberty for non-Christian religious traditions in America, the Founders were not writing a suicide pact when they wrote the First Amendment." Okay lets see here we already covered that you have no idea what you are talking about must of forgot the whole part where Congress is restricted from making laws with the establishment of Religion. "Our government has no obligation to allow a treasonous ideology to receive special protections in America, but this is exactly what the Democrats are trying to do right now with Islam." Baseless to say the least. "From a constitutional point of view, Muslims have no First Amendment right to build mosques in America. They have that privilege at the moment, but it is a privilege that can be revoked if, as is in fact the case, Islam is a totalitarian ideology dedicated to the destruction of the United States. The Constitution, it bears repeating, is not a suicide pact. For Muslims, patriotism is not the last refuge of a scoundrel, but the First Amendment is." Are you kidding so the only religion that get any say in the United States is Christianity? So no Buddhism, No atheist, No Hindu's? Below are the organizations he represents. American Family Association or American Family Radio http://www.care2.com/causes/the-first-amendment-only-applies-to- christians.html http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/fischer/110324 So I think this guy needs to read the Constitution before he goes spewing something completely stupid on the Internet for his own good. I mean really it isn't hard to understand what the First Amendment protects. I mean it is really as simple as saying that it protects the free practice of ones religion as long as that practice of the religion doesn't threaten the well being or the freedom of others to practice there own religion and Islam isn't attacking us people who have twisted the words of their religion to fit what they want it to are attacking us. But then again I am a Libertarian. So what do you guys think? Am I right? What does the First Amendment protect in terms of Religion? S
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@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
21 Jul 11
If the founders meant it to be limited to Christianity they would have made that clear. The constitution is written so simply that the average middle school student should be able to understand it. Sure some of the terminology is a bit dated, but if it were meant to protect something as specific as ONE religion, I'm sure they'd have put that in there. As for what the 1st Amendment means to me in the context of religion, I believe it means that no laws can be written that would either institute a religion, or prevent someone from practicing their own religion. That's why I disagree with laws against polygamy. Marriage is a religious sacrament and ceremony to many people and I think anti-bigamy laws have no place in our society since they specifically prevent the free exercise of the religions in which that is practiced.
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@dark_joev (3034)
• United States
21 Jul 11
Well Taskr it would seem that simple to me too but apparently we need to break it down for at least one person in this country to understand it. Funny you bring up Middle School because 8th grade is when we go over the Declaration of Independence as well as the United States Constitution.
@suspenseful (40192)
• Canada
24 Jul 11
I saw a photo copy of the First Amendment once and also someone had printed it out and in no way does it indicate a particular religion. It also does not say that no religion should be practiced, or as some assume, no Christian bible verses or the ten commandments should be displayed on public edifices or no mention of God or especially Jesus Christ should be mentioned in public areas. It meant that there should not be an official church like the Anglican Church in England. At that time, the only people who came to America were Christians or Christians in name only. Had America been settled by Jews, they would have said that America should not have an official Jewish religion such as the REformed Jews. But instead of saying America should have no official Christian religion, it mentioned just religion that to me means that the Baptist church is not America's official church. I do think a lot of Christians have given into fear and are afraid to offend, and that they do not want to stand up to what is right. By the way, I did find that Muslims do get more rights then Christians and Jews, but maybe that is because if they do not get their way, they will blow up buildings and kill people. That is not right and people have to be willing to not give in to them, because as the saying goes, "give a == an inch, and he'll take a mile."
@suspenseful (40192)
• Canada
25 Jul 11
Look you! I suspensful did not say that the First Ammendmant said that no religion was to be allowed. I was quoting from whatt is going on with trying to keep religion, especialy Christian religion out of the public sphere. There may be been Jews on the Matylfower, or they may come later. But that is not the point. What was meant was that there would be no particular sect, that is, you, that is the United States was to not have an official church. I am not an American, but a Canadian, and I happen to love history, but my history which I know mainly English and Canadian history so you remarks are insulting.
• United States
25 Jul 11
Learn some history. http://www.tourosynagogue.org/overview.asp The first Jews settled in the colonies that later became the United States in 1654. "even if the Mufti of Constantinople were to send a missionary to preach Mohammedanism to us, he would find a pulpit at his service" - Ben Franklin Salem Poor, Yusuf Ben Ali, Bampett Muhamed, Francis Saba, and Joseph Saba fought in the American revolution. "[When] the [Virginia] bill for establishing religious freedom... was finally passed,... a singular proposition proved that its protection of opinion was meant to be universal. Where the preamble declares that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed, by inserting the word 'Jesus Christ,' so that it should read 'a departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion.' The insertion was rejected by a great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend within the mantle of its protection the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mahometan, the Hindoo and infidel of every denomination." - Thomas Jefferson The Founders didn't write "no religion" because they meant "no Christian religion" and assumed "Christian" was understood, they wrote "no religion" because they meant "no religion." The people who wanted to limit "religion" to refer to Christians were explicitly repudiated.
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• Thailand
21 Jul 11
The First Amendment protects all religions. If the founders ment to only protect one religion they would have said so. This is another example of someone trying to revise history to support and justify their beliefs.
@Adoniah (7512)
• United States
23 Jul 11
You have to remember that we do not live in a Democracy any more. Our leaders only refer to the Constitution when it suits their purposes. The rest of the time they just tear it to pieces. Our president no longer tries to get bills passed, he just makes executive orders when he wants to shove something down our throats. So why would you be surprised when someone decides that christianity is now the state religion? I really don't care if it is. Most of them don't practice it anyway. They just parade it out at election time to get votes. I find this bizarre, when most christians just spout it, they don't practice it. Otherwise muslims would not have such a strangle hold on the western world to start with...
@dark_joev (3034)
• United States
24 Jul 11
Well if the United States is the beacon of the Weastern World I don't think that any religion really has a strangle hold on the United States as well we have a pretty diverse set of people with very different Ideas of things.
• United States
21 Jul 11
Being colossally wrong without the least reagard to reality is Bryan Fisher's super power. He's also upset that we give out Medals of Honor to soldiers who save other soldier's lives, rather than only for killing the enemy.
@dark_joev (3034)
• United States
22 Jul 11
I really wouldn't be surprised this person seems to not have their head screwed on correctly or something.
• United States
24 Jul 11
Point taken. Remember blue laws? Christianity is the only religion that has ever been protected by law and I find that extremely unconstitutional. A lot of it is being rescinded and hopefully it will never happen again with any religion. The worst thing Christians can do is push their religion into law because it opens the door for all religions to be pushed into law. A horrible mistake that may soon backfire.