Did we really land on the moon?

@Jacruz25 (1124)
Philippines
September 5, 2011 12:40pm CST
I do believe we didn't land on the moon. There are so many evidences that man didn't land on the moon. It was all a fake thanks to the pentagon,CIA,NASA and many more agency of the US government. We should think outside box how on earth can a space shuttle land safely on the moon when it can't even land safely on earth. The unmanned lunar landing was true but no man has ever landed on the moon. The 6 manned lunar landing was a joke. It was at the heat of the cold war when america seems to felt left behind by the soviet in rocket technology since it was the soviet who launched the first man made satellite. So to be superior once again the US decided to start an apollo mission and put a man on the moon even the soviet said it's impossible at the current technology at that time. We may be able to put a man on the moon but it would only be a one way ticket. There's no way a space shuttle could come back again knowing the earth-moon distance 384403 km (238857 miles) There's no way a space shuttle could carry up enough fuel for a trip back home(do the math). The Apollo program was cancelled 1972 when the soviets already developed a device to trace the US space shuttle if it is really do the landing on the moon. The US was aware of that soviet tracking device so they cancelled the apollo program and from 1973 to 2011 no more manned lunar landing was made. If we did land on the moon then at the current technology today russia and china could have do the same but since it is impossible they haven't. What do you think about this? Did we and or not? I don't care if they delete this discussion I just want to share you some facts..
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@owlwings (43897)
• Cambridge, England
5 Sep 11
You are entitled to believe whatever you want to believe. This is the old, old 'conspiracy theory'. Of course there was enough fuel to return from the moon. It's downhill most of the way. Most of the fuel is used in getting there! The moon's gravity is about 1/6th of Earth's. All of the arguments that you (and anyone else) presents to support your hypothesis are mathematically and politically ignorant and completely pointless.
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@Jacruz25 (1124)
• Philippines
5 Sep 11
If the US did it why can't the UK,russia,china? As what you have said the moon's gravity is 1/6th that of the earth's so how come no problem was encountered during the first manned landing? 1/6th gravity is different than what we are used here so the space shuttle is designed to land only for earth's gravity, landing in a 1/6th that of the earth's gravity will surely cause certain problems or even damage their landing gear but why they landed perfectly? because it was all a hoax. And a distance of 356400 km back home is no kidding at all. That's around 9times the earths circumference. Can you think of an aircraft that could fly around the world 9 times without refueling? Now make it 18times without refueling since they can't refuel on moon of course.
• Omagh, Northern Ireland
6 Sep 11
You may have heard the Rivalry to get a man to the Moon was referred to as "The Space Race" between the USSR and the US...Once somebody made it,there was no point in the competition continuing to reach the same objective..being Second wasn't the Plan...It was Win only...As for the moon's Gravity effects on a Lander,How do you not get that 0.166 of the Earth's gravity force on the Lunar surface will put that much less stress on a vehicle landing there? The Fuel carried on those orbital vehicles (Have you seen the size of the Saturn V rocket boosters and their fuel tanks?) was enough to put the vehicles for the trip into orbit.. That was where most of the energy from the fuel went,in getting out of the Earth's Gravity field..once out of orbit,the craft were effectively weightless,so used relatively little fuel to push them into Lunar orbit...They weren't aircraft that need fuel every second to stay up for the entire flight..they didn't burn fuel all the way there,burn more going round in circles,then burn more all the way back ..they accelerated to escape velocity, then used orbital mechanics calculations to use the moon's gravity to pull them into orbit there...then broke free of the moon's orbit and allowed the earth to draw them back for re-entry..if you want to make a comparison with another vehicle,try a Glider..it gets pulled up into the air,is set loose,then uses warm air currents to stay up as long as they can.. Gliders don't refuel either because they don't have engines..yet the record for staying up in a Glider is near 1100 km...Inter orbital craft are in freefall most of the Journey..they use fuel to start,decelerate,and change direction..they do NOT need fuel to keep going..read a physics book,look at Maglev trains,or hovercraft.
@Jacruz25 (1124)
• Philippines
6 Sep 11
You can't compare a space shuttle to a glider. Why? Because you can't reach moon using a glider. Then think about this how will they launch the space shuttle from the moon since it has never been done before? You see there were no errors for the entire apollo program, but did you know that when US tried to launch their first satellite (to answer the soviet sputnik) was a failure? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanguard_(rocket)
@xfahctor (14113)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
5 Sep 11
Boy oh boy...where to even begin. I'll be random about this and start in the middle. First, lets take the shuttle out of the equation. It is irrelevant to this because as an orbiter, it was not designed to go to the moon. It was never the intent of the craft. Wrong, there was no shuttle in 1972. it was not even designed until 1974 and was not built until 1979. But...as we already determined, the shuttle is irrelevant to this Ok, that being dispensed with, there is this problematic statement: "The US was aware of that soviet tracking device so they cancelled the apollo program " Yes, there were devices to track the missions and yes Russia (as did China, also our sworn enemy of the time) had them. It was not terribly sophisticated technology, the devices were called "radios". Not only did a lot of nations track the missions, so did thousands of HAM radio operators (my father was one). Anyone who knew how to keep their antennas aimed propperly could do it. Now, do you see the self conflicting nature of your statement? Since the Russians (and China, other countries and thousands of radio operators) could track the missions...would they not have came out and said, "hey! they faked it!". You contradicted and disproved your own theory with that statement. Now, what direct evidence to you intend to present to prove the moon landings were faked? Keep in mind, you are the on presenting the theory, the burden is on you to prove they were fake, not on everyone else to prove they weren't. And so far, you have done nothing that even remotely proves your theory. Simply saying "it's impossible" is not evidence. So, bring your evidence.
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@xfahctor (14113)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
6 Sep 11
"No matter how I explain it you still won't believe what i'm going to say." Unless you present solid and compelling evidence, you're right, I won't. "About the earth moon distance it's completely obvious that if you reach moon you can't go back to earth" "360,000km is no joke distance and a round trip 720,000km. Don't tell me they refueled on the moon." What is completely obvious is that you do not have even an elementary knowledge of the Appolo mission, space travel and other relevant disciplines involved. Why would fuel be a problem? The fuel carried was needed to get the capsule and lander module going. Once it is under way, there is no need to burn much fuel. Momentum keeps the craft moving forward once in zero gravity. The only fuel spent after is used to fire small short occasional bursts to keep the course correct and to lift the module back up off the moon. "We all know the moon has no air(vacuum) how come the flag was waving?" Old argument, repeatedly corrected time and time again. The only time it "waved" was when it was planted and was being jostled about and when ever someone brushed against it. there is not a single piece of video out there that shows the flag flapping and waving with out one of those to things happening. Show me something beside the same old arguments used for decades by hoax theorists such as "the flag waved", "wires are visible", the stars/no stars argument, the "shadows appear wrong" argument, and any of the other redundant arguments that have been solidly stamped out repeatedly over the years. Bring me something new and compelling. Also, if you are going to try and prove the moon landings as fake, you should at least have a very good working knowledge of the things you are trying to disprove. You should gain a good solid knowledge of any theory before you attempt to prove it wrong. If you don't even fully understand what you are trying to disprove, you cannot convincingly disprove it. I am going to give you a link. It is a science and tech forum. There is a conspiracy section with literally hundreds of threads attempting to do what you are attempting here. So far, not one of them has managed to do it and some of them are people with far more extensive knowledge than you have demonstrated here. I would give the threads a good read, I guaranty nearly anything you will bring here as evidence has already been dealt with there a good number of times. It might even change your mind. Here: http://www.bautforum.com/
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@xfahctor (14113)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
6 Sep 11
And some advice. I would not attempt there what you attempted here. The rules of discussion there are very strict and follow a very rigid format. You will be asked very difficult questions and be required to "show your work" so to speak. For example, if you claim the craft could not carry enough fuel, you will be required to show the math work to demonstrate that (you may thank me for not asking you to do that in this thread). In addition, you would be asked to describe what your understanding of the fuel used, it's capabilities and it's limits. All of the above would be cursory requirements to prove the fuel type and amount would not have been sufficient.
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@Jacruz25 (1124)
• Philippines
5 Sep 11
No matter how I explain it you still won't believe what i'm going to say. About the earth moon distance it's completely obvious that if you reach moon you can't go back to earth 360,000km is no joke distance and a round trip 720,000km. Don't tell me they refueled on the moon. We all know the moon has no air(vacuum) how come the flag was waving? Because it's windy in area 51 where they really landed and take that hollywood shot.
@youless (114117)
• Guangzhou, China
6 Sep 11
This is a good question as the debate has never ended. I have watched some material about it and I feel very confused to judge it. Since both sides seem to have strong proves and they all make sense. However, I still tend to believe that human beings really landed on the moon. I think as a powerful government like USA, it will not dare to make such kind of prank. Even if it wanted to fool all the people, however, this secret should be revealed one day. As they have freedom to find the truth. I love China
@Jacruz25 (1124)
• Philippines
6 Sep 11
If the US really landed on the moon China could do the same thing as early as 2005. Chinese space technology is higher now compare to that 60's US tech.
• Philippines
6 Sep 11
I think we did. Myth busters went on and tackled this issue about how a lot of people think that Armstrong landing on the moon is a big hoax. They examined every faults that people point out as fakes and proved the accusations to be false.
@mantis36 (4219)
• Philippines
6 Sep 11
and did you ever wonder why 3 of them go to the moon, but... only 1 stepped to the moon's sandy crust... the other one yet the capsule landed but the crew inside of it never leaves the capsule... and the remaining parts which contains 1 crew never step down to the moon's crust but kept on rotating, or flying to the whole moon... the answer is..... because 3 of the astronauts are not so sure if they ever come back to earth alive... so the other astronaut doesnt land on the crust so that if those 2 astronauts stagnant or trapped at the moon's surface crust, he can still come back to earth alive.... the other astronaut actually his ship lands but never leave his ship to step moon's crust because he's not so sure if he get killed on the moon's surface, something like a quicksand, tarpits, marsh, etc.... but the other astronaut really dont care at all, he step to the moon's surface crust and doesn't care if he can go back to the mother ship that rotating above moon...
@Jacruz25 (1124)
• Philippines
6 Sep 11
wow quicksand? mothership? where did you get those words? quicksand on the moon? Are you kidding? Mothership? You're a starwars fan aren't you? Try to research more. Instead of jumping into conclusions why not pay attention first.
@Jacruz25 (1124)
• Philippines
6 Sep 11
Yeah the true fake is the manned lunar landing that is.
@mantis36 (4219)
• Philippines
6 Sep 11
if they didn't land on that moon, so who put the american flag on the moon's crust? Space Shuttle can really land as easy compare to earth because, gravity on moon is less compare to earth where the escape velocity are very hard to deal.... the soviet said that impossible for the americans to land on moon? even all the opponents of manny pacquiao said that it is impossible for manny to defeat them but they are all failed.... therefore, americans proved that soviets are failed to their claims... one way ticket? even Christopher Columbus who discovered the new land (america) are on a one way ticket because they'll never know what beyond the edge of the world oceans that there is a presence of a giant waterfalls, same explanation to Ferdinand Magellan.... the distance from earth to moon? no problem, using the earths centrifugal force, better known as the principles of synchrotron, it is like a slingshot of the apollo using the earth's gravity to projectile to moon's course path... what will happen is a collision between apollo and moon, and by that, collision will not happen instead its a form of landing....
@mantis36 (4219)
• Philippines
6 Sep 11
are there any links that it is area 51? i want proof, seems so interesting....
@mantis36 (4219)
• Philippines
6 Sep 11
and why is it that there are an existence of an american flag in the moon, as well as an existence of flag also in area 51.... and if armstrong's company never put there, then who put that american flag therein the moon? it is the Soviets?
@Jacruz25 (1124)
• Philippines
6 Sep 11
Have you been on the moon? The american flag on the moon's crust? You speak like you really saw it. That's area 51 in nevada dessert not the moon.
@shskumbla (3338)
• India
6 Sep 11
In South India a magazine in Kannada published that no man had landed on the moon;it is a dong y of that country. It gave evidence in the photo taken in 1969,(the year when the .....landed on the moon)I doubt whether the country really went to moon or went to some other place and took a photo (just like in the movie )No person landed on the moon after 1969 or so. Why?
@mantis36 (4219)
• Philippines
7 Sep 11
$40 billion income???? an addition income to their country... then it's like a 3 hits in a one strike.... hahahaha.....
@mantis36 (4219)
• Philippines
7 Sep 11
or... seven at one blow
@Jacruz25 (1124)
• Philippines
6 Sep 11
Because the lunar landing was a big joke. It was a $40b hollywood movie in area 51 did you know that?
@secretbear (19448)
• Philippines
6 Sep 11
Hi Jacruz! I've heard of news that the US was not really successful in sending a man to the moon. Can that kind of major historical achievement be claimed to be false after all these years? I mean, it has made a great impact to the world, particularly to the Americans themselves, why prove it false now? Anyway, I'm not saying that the evidence they are showing are false or something. I don't know what to think of it all actually. But I'm the kind of person who is a little romantic. I mean, isn't it great and amazing that someone has gone to the moon? The thought of it makes me dreamy. The moon has been seen as a romantic symbol for a long time now, it would be great if people can eventually travel there and explore.
• Australia
6 Sep 11
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• Omagh, Northern Ireland
6 Sep 11
@ebuscat (5935)
• Philippines
6 Sep 11
For me not because we are only in earth even if the scientist never came in that far how about as not too also.
@petersum (4522)
• United States
5 Sep 11
Go back to 1969 - the first so called landing. Were you born then? No, according to your profile. So your entire life has passed without ANY country going to the moon, and the next planned attempts are not until 2020. Fifty years will pass without anyone doing what the Americans thought was so easy! Even with the Hubble telescope, that could easily see the junk left on the moon, we cannot get the proof. Now it is apparently too dangerous to leave the Earth because of possible collisions with space junk orbiting the planet. Unbelievable foolishness on an International scale! No, man did not go to the moon!
• India
6 Sep 11
Yes I am agree with you, no man ever landed on moom. There are many evidence for it that no man man never landed there. Suppose we accept they land there then how could they come back from there because there is no atmosphere then how is this possible that some man at that time go there and come back. One more thing is that why America says that they can't go on moon till 2020
@Jacruz25 (1124)
• Philippines
6 Sep 11
Even in 2020 the US can't go there. No more manned lunar landing was made from 1973-present because other countries has the technology necessary to trace the US space shuttle. Because they don't go to the moon anyway, there's a shortcut in area 51.