Lifting Don't Ask Don't Tell....

But a lot of people who are physically fit don't qualify for US military service. In fact more Americans DON'T qualify than do. There is no "right" to join the military, so how can it be a "right' for gay people? Oh, and what do you consider the privacy of their own bedroom, if the "bedroom" is a 60 bunk bay, or an 8 or 3 bunk room? This is why I say that most arguments for lifting the ban are based on logical fallacies.

But that is what THEIR bedroom might be. Thanks for giving it a shot! It's not as easy as it sounds, is it. :~)

Hi Urban, I do realize that I have overly-simplified the situation. The truth is that I don't have any answers that would satisfy everyone. Seems like no matter what, there will always be some that feel their rights are being violated. I completely understand that some would feel very uncomfortable showering with a homosexual even if that homosexual had no intent other than getting clean. I, personally, would feel uncomfortable showering with anyone at all. I hated gym class in school for that reason. It didn't matter if my peers were gay or straight...I hated it so much that I skipped more classes than I attended and almost did not graduate as a result. Because my other grades were good, the school worked with me and I had hundreds of gym classes to make up. I had to go bowling each night after school. I probably actually DID shower and change my clothes in front of some lesbians back then. The schools didn't provide private changing rooms and showers and so that is how it was whether I liked or not. I actually found out later that my gym teacher was a lesbian. As for bunking together...same thing. When they join the military, they know full well that they will be showering and bunking with all sorts of diverse people. They don't know who is gay and who is straight. It's the nature of the game. I can't see making provisions for any particular group. Unless of course they are going to give everyone their own private bedroom and shower. That'd be nice but probably would never happen.

When thinking about your answer, include that fact that anyone who complains about anything against a homosexual soldier will be seen as homophobia. The straight soldier will have to "prove" their innocence of homophobia before the complaint will even be considered.

But no one else is free to be who they are with no restrictions in the US military. So saying that should be a right for Gay people would be making an exception.

I never said there should be special exemptions.

Actually, that's a good point. We keep reading and hearing about "lifting" Don't Ask Don't Tell.. but that's not what is going on. Lifting don't ask don't tell would actually be returning to the complete ban on openly gay people serving at all. What's scheduled to happen here in a few days is lifting the ban on openly gay people serving in the US military completely.

Oh I see, it is about gays in the military. Men that choose to spend their time mostly in the company of other men, like dressing up and care intensely about their appearance, all sounds a bit gay to me all the best urban

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