Religious Conservatives

Well they do have to have a lot of free time. Its almost enough to make one ask if they have decent lives or if they spend so much time complaining about other people's rights and promoting a religion that gets more twisted by each day that they have no lives. I mean why else complain about things that don't affect you and make them political issues? It seems people forget the age old saying of 'mind your own business'.

No matter whatever name you call these snoops, they definitely had too much free time on hand, and too eager to order other free people conform with their twisted belief system, i assume if you are one or both feet deep inside a cult-religion group, you just have to do whatever your flock leader demand. May be they want to change a free nation's idea where each one has his/her right to pursuit happiness and enjoy personal liberty into some sort of their cult leader vision land where dictated rule and law apply. In fact, You can even easily witness the powerful transformation of a flock mentality bring about deep inside Utah without go further than that. These cult followers do understand what they are doing by making all these personal issues political even though they shouldn't be.

Actually the birth control issue is a matter of OBAMA tucking his nose into THEIR business. He's the one forcing catholic employers to violate their religion by FORCING them to buy contraceptives for people. This is an issue because Obama, and many other democrats, want to force people to buy them things that they feel entitled to. Birth control is just the latest thing they want for free.

Actually, they are forcing a company to buy a product. The issue is not rejecting it but accepting it. Bottom line, higher premium costs. Insurance company isn't going to take into account the number of women who reject it. They are going to make the basic assumption that all women covered under the plan will need birth control pills especially insurance companies that issue package deals.

Insurance companies do this all the time. In fact this is the perfect time to create jobs for those accounts out of work or graduating from college and need experience. That is why there are actuaries who do risk assessment. Birth control pills without insurance are about $30 maybe $40. I know I was actually on them at one point but I prefer the birth control I have now. Insurance didn't really go up or down and when I had insurance that didn't pay then yeah $30. Not really that expensive and they last for a month. Hell some pills you can get a three or four month supply for $50-$60. Its more expensive on the insurance company to plan for all the pregnancies than it is for birth control. Based on when I bought them.. Birth control @ 30 a year is $360. Having children (and I have two) doctor's visits: (please note these numbers are usually higher not lower) Monthly for the first three months $100 - $150/ a month Bi-Weekly for the next trimester: $200 - $300/ a month Last Trimester (when most not all women have to go weekly): $400 - $600/ a month Prenatal Vitamins: $30 - $60 (they are prescribed before and during if you are planning. During only if you just happen to get pregnant) If you need them for four months: $120 So what are we up to? $2220 to $3870 Now the expensive part. A hospital visit for complications.. usually taken to the emergency is at least $1000 per visit. So lets say the average woman goes there twice: $2000 Then the delivery. The baby isn't just going to come out when you get there. Labor meds to help pain: $100 - $1500 Don't worry its gets worse. On top of that... the room you stay in, the equipment, doctors, ICU doctors if you need them, etc. usually totals up to at least $10,000 but can easily be higher. Then the after hospital stay is about $4,000 - $5,000 and more if the baby has to stay in NICU. So total would be around $22, 370 for a pregnancy charged to the insurance. My first pregnancy was $26, 730 My second was $ 25, 480 Total for two children: $52, 210. Now you honestly tell me which is cheaper for an insurance company. BC for $360 over one year or (average from my pregnancies) $26, 105 spent on a pregnancy in less than a year.

1. First of all, having a completely inclusive health care plan for employees is not forcing them to buy them, but making it an option. If none of the women agree to using contraception then guess what its is only one there just in case. That is not forcing them to buy them or forcing the women on the health care plan to get them. I have not seen one thing or even heard the catholic churches around talking about being forced to buy them.. but having to put them on health care plans. If they don't like they shouldn't get the funding for it. Actually no religious group should get any funding from the government but that is my opinion. 2. No it should not be a federal issue I agree. I have heard both candidates so far mention it during debates and speeches, but it shouldn't be that big of an issue. It is simply passed by making it a law that no religious affiliation HAS to do it, since there are those who religious people who will do it. It is just not a federal issue more like a nosy body issue. I personally don't care what life someone leads unless it truly directly affects mine in some way. 3. Technically they shouldn't just flat out call it a sin because it can be offensive and those are their views. However.. a student should not get suspended UNLESS they are constantly throwing that in another students face, telling them they are going to hell because their religion says so, and so on. Verbal Abuse is very real whether people believe it or not. They aren't punishing people by saying stop bullying people who aren't christian because you are. I am pretty sure its the republican party who is pushing their religious views on other people. Rick Santorum actually did say in an interview that 'homosexuality is equivalent to beastiality' at one point. However just to add points to a republican stance on only christians deserve rights which these candidates seem to unknowingly be promoting in some sense though I doubt its unknown. 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZEtyEuWATM 2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXUE7VHeaTc This next thing that says they are amending it (probably because of a fear for loss of votes for the republican party) http://www.mlive.com/politics/index.ssf/2011/11/house_republicans_back_away_fr.html They only retracted it when a petition for the wording was signed. Now as for the bullying.. if you say something against a christian in school and trust me I had calling Christianity nothing but a crock... I got put in ISS which in my old high school was in school suspension for "bullying Christians and saying bad things about the bible". I didn't even go to a religious school. So if other people who don't believe in Christianity can get in trouble for speaking out against it in a school and its called bullying... then why is it wrong Christians get in trouble for it. Can you honestly answer that? Or is it this only a free country with equal rights when it comes to if you are a Christian or Jewish? Another thing I can ask you.. is the military question. A couple conservatives have said they want don't ask, don't tell re-instated. Please tell me why its an issue for gays to serve in the military. Shouldn't conservatives be happy someone is willing to fight for their rights even though they want to deny these brave men and women who fight while they don't their own equal rights? On a battlefield no one is worried about whether the person next to them is attractive. You are there to defend the country whether you die for the country or not. Therefore why do these conservatives think every military personnel is so attractive that gays would want to jump them if they serve openly?

Then show me one conservative who has EVER said in a speech that they want to ban contraception Aida.

I don't think anybody wants to ban contraception, but I do think these nosy ridiculous weasels are going on about things in which they don't belong, and their opinions are worthless, they just like to hear themselves spout off about things. They aren't right about anything but the media likes to film them. We'd be better off shutting off the tv so they are ranting to nobody. Birth control - prescription birth control - is NOT something any man has any business discussing because it isn't FOR him and doesn't affect HIM in any way.

So you are saying no one should believe them when they say it in speeches. Its really hard to edit a live speech. So unless everyone is a techno wizard the only one I have seen really protesting and wanting to change things to a religious standpoint is Santorum. I doubt its a left thing when the right is saying it. Then again who knows if Santorum will win the primary, its just something he tends to agree with and speak his personal views on stopping them when talking about it.

I am a mother too and I love my kids. I personally would not make the choices some people would, but you're right, it can be hard. There are many people who can't even take care of themselves much less take care of a baby - some of them are emotionally and mentally unfit, some of them have next to no resources and no support, while some people have health conditions which would interfere with pregnancy. This is why I say I can't know the situation for everyone and I wouldn't even guess - or then try to decide what should be available to other people. I equate any form of 'taking away options' or 'banning things' with intolerance, someone, somewhere, decided they were going to take away something from other people because THEY had a personal problem. How is this ever fair? It's not. There's nothing to ever prove the person who did that was right or even should have had any power to do that in the first place. It's why things are such a mess with the politicians we have now - there just is not one solid good pick. All of them have some things we definitely can do without and all of them are going to ruin something for somebody. What's worse is that none of them CARE. I find it seriously odd what some christians say about things they don't agree with. They claim to 'hate the sin and not the sinner' but the problem is when you hate something someone does and attack whatever it is and don't accept it, you ARE hating the person and attacking the person and not accepting the person and that's the bottom line. If you've ever been the recipient of a person who says things like that, you know what they claim but then you experience how they treat you. Their words don't match their actions. Thanks for the BR, by the way it's nice to meet you!

I am a mother. I must say I never looked at it like that but I became pro-choice because NO one understands how hard it is to actually have children. They really don't. You are right. They need to stay the hell out of it. I don't think its an issue because the woman is the one who has to take it, who has to deal with a pregnancy if the male leaves, and so on. It has nothing to do with men and they don't understand it. It should be a couple's choice or an individual woman's. After all, she has to carry it and all. They only deal with it if they stick around. I dont believe its wrong of the religion to offer the plan. If the women don't want it, they wont ask and insurance doesn't pay unless it is prescription ordered. Free clinics give it away now . its not like this is a new thing but people need to argue about things. I agree that as long as two people love each other. Let them get married. I also believe they should be able to adopt children. All the "conservatives" against it will not go out and adopt these children... so don't they deserve a good home or a chance to be with a loving family. Marriage should be equal and in my opinion and the truth of the matter. It really doesn't affect anyone. It really doesn't. They will still go about their daily lives regardless of if John and Jane marry or Jane and Jane or John and John. My grandfather who goes to church and is christian says this: "If they want to get married fine. Religious people who don't want them married must actually love all homosexual people. Why? Because they are fighting against letting them be as miserable as most married people." That is a strangely true and a great way to think of it. Bullying is wrong. The problem is most bullies are taught it at home. Hatred is not automatic, its learned. Intolerance is learned. All of that is learned behavior. Being born a certain way is not learned, you don't get a choice. I think Bullying will be an issue regardless of what people say because parents no longer want to teach tolerance to their kids. Its really said. I am going to raise my kids to be open-minded and tolerant. The more kids raised well rounded the less bullying. There will still be bullying but not as much in my opinion.

mommyboo: I disagree with that last paragraph. I do not like some things that various family members have done, that I consider sinful, but that does not in anyway take away my love for them. I would not like it if someone I loved killed another person, but I would still love my loved one. To say that I do not like something someone did is not the same as attacking them or not accepting them.

@AidaLily First, I am sorry, I got your name wrong earlier. It is indeed a sad state that this country is in. I find it sad that you are anti-Christian. You might find the world we live in a little more peaceful if you were a believer.

No... I do not believe that I would find this world more peaceful. I believe that most religions are in fact ways to control man. With no religion I am not going to judge someone because of some books. I don't need anyone to tell me how I need to believe or live to be peaceful. I am quite peaceful. I think being a believer I would be pushed into the idiotic messes religion makes or bring up arguments that have no real value besides.. 'well the book said it'. I am pretty happy free thinker not controlled by religion as I feel religion does. People can be spiritual without all that messy religion and labels. When people realize that, I believe then the world would be at peace. Religion causes people to believe they are right, then impose their religious views... at this point Christians will be no different than the Muslims that most of them look down on. Its just simple face. Heck.. Christians don't even like other Christians and the entire religion is in a large disarray because of it. No, if I was a believer.. I'd find life more hectic except the difference then is I wouldn't be able to see a way out.

You know that doesn't give me much hope for this country. -_- I mean seriously we have bigger problems as a country and people are trying to change it to suit their religion now. I mean seriously.. I am largely anti-Christian and it seems like if this is all people are worried about then I wont have rights soon either and the country will probably fall apart more because no one is focusing on the real issues. Just their need to be in everyone else's business because they hate their own lives I guess.