"paperless" doesn't not save trees....

@coffeebreak (17797)
United States
March 6, 2012 5:54pm CST
I have been thinking about this for some time now and if finally resulted in my decision that "paperless" and "go green" in some cases...mean nothing other than shifting WHO pays the price. Case in point. Banks, credit cards...places that have monthly statements, and bills...tell you "save a tree, go paperless" and often if you don't they charge you a fee to have the statement sent to you every month. They tell us it is for the environment and save a tree etc. I have determined, unless I am missing something, that this is so not true and just a scam for these places to pad their profit pockets. Take a credit card statement. Every month, they'd send you your statement with the coupon to tear off to return with your payment. And they say...just download it and pay on line...save paper, save trees, save the environment. Okay, we believe that but then...stop and think it through. If they don't send you a statement you have to print one out yourself. So now..You are using paper so that you aren't saving a tree..only thing that has changed is that you are the one footing the bill for the paper and ink, not the credit card company. The company has been sucessful in escaping that expense and shifting it to now it is your expense...all the while they often charge HIGH interest rates, monthly fees or services charges. How does that help save a tree? Then..now that you have footed the bill to print the statement and coupon...you tear the coupon off, and mail it back with your payment. Okay, well, now they want you to pay on line. Okay, so you pay on line..and what does that help? Only the credit card company as they get their payment instantly and it is taken out of your bank account instantly. If you mail a check, you can get a few more days interest until they cash the check and it clears...they are stealing your interest and getting your money sooner so that they can bank it and collect interest on it! How does that save a tree or the environment? Then, since they aren't mailing you a statement with USPS postage, and since you are paying online you aren't paying USPS postage, so the USPS postal service looses money on both ends, which is one of the reasons the USPS is going bankrupt today. And that saves a tree how? Then, since they aren't doing the mass mailings each month of the statements..there is at least one or two people that have been sent to the unemployment line....probably more. Alot is automated, but still...a real live person has to be there to push the buttons or tell the machine what to do when...so "paperless" has contributed to unemployment. Plus...now YOU are doing the work that person would have been doing...and you are doing it for free while that person is in the unemployment line. A salary not being paid goes right back into the companys bank account...where's that saved tree or the better environment? So to summarize..."paperless"...gives the company more money thus increasing their profits as it saves the company from the expense of paper, ink, employee salarys, postage, and adds interest income to their profit line. PLUS...the monthly service fees they charge you just to have the account so you can give them your money to hold on to till you need it and to use their "service". I still don't see a saved tree. However...it COSTS you as you now have to pay for the paper, ink, work for free and loose interest income. It costs the postal service as they now have lost income on postage, both to and from the company and you. People have lost their jobs. ANd if you are spending more on things like this and people are unemployed because of it...the economy suffers as there is no money to spend on things that matter to the economy...and I still don't see a tree being saved or a better environment atmosphere.... All I see is the banks/credit card companys and anyone else that goes "paperless" to customers...all I see is THEM making more money, US paying the price, unemployement and the USPS going bankrupt....and no trees saved. Thank you very much "paperless". I have not gone paperless on anything...send me a bill if you want payment!!! I want to keep the USPS in service, I want people to keep their jobs and I want to cut my expenses as my income gets cut and I want to earn that little bit of income that helps in the long run. What about you? DO you really think "paperless" saves trees? I know some might not print out their statement and just keep it on line, and pay online and save the statement to the computer and all, but still... you might not be using any paper and ink...but you are contributing to the other things...and odds are you will use that paper and ink on something else anyway! Save the trees? I just don't see it! Do you?
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@momof3kids (1894)
• Singapore
7 Mar 12
I think you are right. The credit card companies are thinking only to add to their own profits. I think if they really want to save trees, people, environment, anything, they should start/add a tree manufacturing plant and start planting trees just to print their statements, etc. No wait that would add to their headcount in employment. O well just dupe the people, why dun they..
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@coffeebreak (17797)
• United States
7 Mar 12
You're on the right track anyway! They don't care a hoot about trees or the environment. They care about themselves. We can't do anything (but change banks but are limited there) to no pay them fees for them to hold our money for us and make money by using our money....and now they push the bookkeeping expense off onto us....cause people accept it.
@anne25penn (3305)
• Philippines
7 Mar 12
I have subscribed to paperless billing for my phone bill. My reason is that my phone bill before I subscribed to paperless billing was always a month late and I wouldn't be able to dispute any charges made on the bill because a month had already passed. Sometimes the bill wouldn't come at all in spite of many complaints that I have made to my phone provider. So I opted for the paperless billing so that I will get my bills on time. I don't think this paperless billing does save trees. If they really wanted to save trees, then don't cut it. Period. We have so much paper waste to recycle that we don't really need new trees.
@coffeebreak (17797)
• United States
7 Mar 12
They are just passing an expense off onto the customers cause they know they can and they know we'll take it cause we won't be thinking that way. They say it all in concern for environment and everyone believes it. They seldom stop to think...someone is using the paper...and that someone is paying for it...Oh, wait...that's me!
@ShepherdSpy (8544)
• Omagh, Northern Ireland
7 Mar 12
Personally,I don't mind sheaves of junk mail and offers of "services" I might be (not!) interested in arriving in the mail padded along with statements and bills ..but I do agree with you on the "Paperless" thing not being perfect..I do my banking online and can print out statements only if and when I need them,but I recall the last time I was going for a loan and they wanted bank statements to verify my solvency,the ones I printed out myself were not acceptable-I had to pay the bank to issue me "Authenticated" ones! Also-this reminds me of something I was reading earlier about a manufacturing company that was going paperless and greener by using ipads for speeding up information processing from management level to shop floor with custom apps and bar code readers to help things along..then someone commented on the article that the whole "Green" paper saving part was negated by the un-greenness of the pad production...swings and roundabouts...
@coffeebreak (17797)
• United States
7 Mar 12
Are you serious? THey didn't accept them? That is crazy!! Wow...that is just insane that those that push you to "go paperless" (banks do to) and then when you do, they don't want to accept what they have encouraged you to do! Original papers win again.
@stealthy (8181)
• United States
7 Mar 12
I still receive my credit card statement through the mail but I pay online by direct debit from my bank. I always pay the monthly amount in full and always have ever since I got my first credit card in college; so I have never paid a penny of interest to any credit card company. I can do this because I learned to save and be frugal at an early age. I agree that a lot of the save the trees stuff is meaningless. I get things in the mail loaded with all kinds of wasted paper from credit card companies and satellite TV companies, etc. wanting me to use their services or whatever. Some of these things come more often than once a month. Even though I wouldn't have to print out something from the credit card company to pay the bill, I would still have to print something out if I wanted a record of it. The same is true for income taxes which they are trying to force you to do on line. Since my taxes probably would not fit into the simple category because of my investing activities, they probably wouldn't be free to file online, I would have to print out all the completed forms even it they were free for my records since I don't keep that type of information on my computer for fear of it being stolen. A lot of it is just plain hypocrisy like back when Al Gore was going on so about the environment while he was using more electricity in a month than most people use in a year and flying all over the world on private jets rather than flying commercial.
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@coffeebreak (17797)
• United States
7 Mar 12
Good for you. Good that you can pay them off each month. I don't do CC to much, but for keeping my credit rating up and all that and for emergencies. But yeah, even on the income tax paperwork...they are starting to tell you do just print the forms you need from their web site instead of having them at the post offices and libraries for you to pick up. That way, again...you pay for the paper and ink and they don't have to and just pocket that expense back into their profits! If they really wanted to save paper (a tree), they'd stop sending out the junk mail and tell you to go find out about it on their web site!
• Chennai, India
7 Mar 12
I think it's not completely paperless, but less paper. I receive my telephone bill via email only (no paper bill), and few other bills via email. When I make payment online, I receive e-receipt. Making it paperless. When it comes to credit card statement or any other loan, they want to record that they've reminded you, for pursuing in court of law later if required. Still the Law requires solid proof and these e-things are not standing as proof or it's hard to produce before the law.
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@coffeebreak (17797)
• United States
7 Mar 12
Just another reason to keep getting the statements in the mail. Proof. You read above the person that printed out statements online at home as proof of monitary value..and the place wouldn't accept home printed ones..the person had to go to the bank and ask for them..probably had to pay for them too! I have made some credit card payments online and never received anything that they received my payment. And I had that option alert checked. Now, since I mail it in..I do get confirmation that they received my payment. I just live by...."better safe, than sorry" motto. And "better to have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it"!!!
@fergus (817)
• Ireland
7 Mar 12
Hi Its just as well you are not going to print out your discussion as you would use alot of trees HAHAHAHA. Just jokeing i agree with you one rules the other out i think. None of then realy care about tree they just want to look good and sound good like there doing something for the world They don,t give a dam. All the the best
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@coffeebreak (17797)
• United States
7 Mar 12
I made mistake on the title...it should be Paperless Does Not Save Trees! They are just treating us like idiots and assuming, albeit correctly, that we'll not think it through and agree to paperless and then pay the price to do all the work for them. I guess I have to say..how stupid are we as most go paperless! I mean, if you want to on your side cause you don't want to deal with paper files, okay. But don't try to trick us. Best back to you!
@peavey (16936)
• United States
8 Mar 12
Nope, I don't see it either. I "went paperless" as far as bank statements go, but everything else I have them mail to me. Why should I pay their expenses? If I need a copy of anything, I have it. It makes me nervous to depend on electronic records, because they're not that reliable. If the computer goes down, the internet goes down, their computer/server goes down, something gets hacked in to and on and on... records are either inaccessible or compromised. They can afford to give me a piece of paper.
@coffeebreak (17797)
• United States
20 Mar 12
Best Response!!!
@swirlz (3136)
• Philippines
7 Mar 12
Isn't it suppose to be that you download it, NOT print it, and pay for it online? What's the purpose of paying online if you have a printed bill? Or what is the use of a printed bill if you'll pay online? I think you had it confused there. They want you to download and pay, not download, print and pay.
@swirlz (3136)
• Philippines
7 Mar 12
I'm on the online selling business. I think there are more online sellers now than ever, so I don't think any courier service will be getting bankrupt anytime soon.
@coffeebreak (17797)
• United States
7 Mar 12
I paid online a few times...but would print out the statement as I want evidence of what I paid when and varify the balances etc. I print it out, write the details of the transaction and put that in a file. If I have problems later on...I have a file to pull with all the information needed to correct the problem. When I pay by check, I wait for the statement in the mail and write on that and file that. I stopped paying online as I don't want my banking info out there. They all say how secure it is but you hear quite often about hackers. I prefer not to take thehttp://www.mylot.com/w/lists/4_118984/default.aspx chance.
@SomeCowgirl (32189)
• United States
7 Mar 12
Well I do agree with you, but at the same time I'm not sure. IT DOES save the trees, even though it's also selfish and a job stealer (those responsible for printing the statements out and mailing them, the USPS) and a unemployment services debtor.
• Philippines
19 Mar 12
I, too, have been persuaded by my credit card company to go "green" and "save the trees" in the process. I haven't "gone green" yet. Don't know if I will ever. Well, when it concerns my bills or statements of account, at least. You see, I still prefer getting my bills in my mailbox because I keep those bills in a file for a year. It helps me monitor my payments. And besides, I DO see in the credit card bill that it was printed using "RECYCLED PAPER" anyway. And so, what I do is, whenever someone calls to verify my payments (and this applies to all my utility bills, not just my credit card), I just simply pull out the bill and give them the necessary details. I keep it for a full year, after which it goes straight to the recycle bin for paper.