FOX forced to retract story about EPA Drone usage.
@thegreatdebater (7316)
United States
June 24, 2012 11:26am CST
A few weeks ago the right wingers were up in arms over a BLOG story that FOX News picked up and ran with saying that the EPA was using the same drones that the military used in Afghanistan to hunt terrorist (of course we are assuming these imaginary drones that FOX talked about didn't have Hell Fire Missiles on them, but the image used in the story did). The problem with this reporting (or lack there of) is that the EPA ISN'T using these drones, they are using manned air planes, and have been doing so for 10 YEARS. FOX was using one of the most unreliable sources in the world: BLOGS. While the story made big headlines, the outrage that FOX used a BLOG as fact has gone unnoticed. When something like this happens to the networks the right calls for firings right away. Why hasn't anyone asked for the heads of FOX News executives? Should FOX be taken as seriously as the other big networks, or are they just an entertainment network?
http://www.wcsh6.com/video/1698001170001/1/Jon-Stewart-Mocks-Megyn-Kelly-on-EPA-Drones-Kelly-Responds
http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/05/31/11993693-epa-planes-spying-on-ranchers-lawmakers-want-answers?pc=20&sp=120
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@anniepa (27955)
• United States
25 Jun 12
Absolutely, Fox is nothing more than a right-wing entertainment network! They never let something as trivial as "facts" get in the way of telling a story that makes the left look as bad as possible, at least in the eyes of their target audience.
When I first heard of this forced retraction I figured it wouldn't take long at all for the conservatives here to post about it; alright, I made that up...lol! I guess this isn't nearly as bad as NBC not playing the entire 911 recording in the Trayvon Martin shooting, right? At least in that case it was a matter of omission, not totally MAKING SOMETHING UP!
Annie
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@thegreatdebater (7316)
• United States
25 Jun 12
The really sad part is that they didn't do ANY research of this BLOG comment to see if the EPA actually did this. They also didn't see if they have done this in the past. I actually spent 5 minutes researching this and found all of the information on-line that FOX could have done. But, if they would have given you all of the facts, it wouldn't be as bad. I am sure they are only upset with the fact that they got caught, instead of upset that they didn't VET their own story. Funny how they are so mad about the MSM not vetting Obama, yet they don't even vet their own "news" stories!!!
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@anniepa (27955)
• United States
25 Jun 12
Taskr, I totally agree that ruining a man's reputation and making him appear to be a racist is worse than Fox's "mistake"; what I DON'T agree on is that the editing of the 911 tape made Zimmerman appear to be a racist and I don't know that was the intent of those who did the doctoring. I certainly can't say for certain it wasn't but neither can I say that it was. In my opinion, anyone who came to the conclusion that Zimmerman may be a racist did so because of his past actions when he'd previously made 911 calls about unidentified young black men acting suspiciously. For what it's worth, I have a feeling the editing was done due to time restrictions since the same network's sister station, MSNBC, had played the tape repeatedly in its entirety. I'm SURE of that because I had a conversation with friends about why the question about the young man's race was even asked and my view was it was purely for identification purposes.
I'm almost afraid to ask, Taskr, but what did you mean about that saying a lot about me?
Annie

@lelin1123 (15594)
• Puerto Rico
24 Jun 12
I would never take Fox News as anything else but entertainment show. The real news for me comes from either ABC or CNN. I really dont' trust any other news show. The people at Fox News are not at all professional or smart enough to ever take serious in my opinion. I love Jon Stewart's response to this story. He is so funny but also so right.
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@bobmnu (8157)
• United States
26 Jun 12
They may get hings wrong from time to time but what about the MSM when they will sit on a story that could have changed the election. The NYT refused to print a story about the Obama Campaign giving donor lists to ACORN and used them to raise more money. or NBC not reporting about Fast and Furious until Congress was about to vote a contempt citation.
When Fox News makes a mistake it is news, however when the MSM covers up or makes up the news it is not newsworthy because it seems common place.

@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
25 Jun 12
"Why hasn't anyone asked for the heads of FOX News executives?"
Probably because this didn't involve doctoring videos and tapes to make innocent people sound like racists.
So they screwed up and were forced to retract the story. I thought the drone story sounded a bit crazy when I heard it, but nothing surprises me with the EPA. We've already established they would rather people starve and die than use water from a river containing the sucker fish. Seriously, does using manned planes make it so much different than using unmanned planes? Their still doing the same thing.
Oh... wait... The EPA DOES plan to use drones! I guess maybe they aren't doing it yet, but don't worry, I have a source. It's not a blog. It's...
Wait for it...
THE EPA!
http://cfpub.epa.gov/si/si_public_record_report.cfm?dirEntryId=11068
http://cfpub.epa.gov/si/si_public_record_report.cfm?dirEntryId=143209&fed_org_id=770&SIType=PR&TIMSType=&showCriteria=0&address=nerl/pubs.html&view=citation&personID=441&role=Author&sortBy=pubDateYear&count=100&dateBeginPublishedPresented=
http://cfpub.epa.gov/ncer_abstracts/index.cfm/fuseaction/display.abstractDetail/abstract/7784/report/2008

@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
26 Jun 12
Stock video is what they had. I don't think anyone really believed the EPA was mounting missiles on the drones.
First off, I didn't know it was happening when GWB was in office. Back then my biggest issues with them involved them drying up farms by refusing to let them irrigate their crops. I oppose the vast majority of crap they pull and that hasn't changed one bit regardless of who the president is.
For the record, my issue isn't with the use of aircraft to watch for illegal activity, law enforcement has been doing that for a long time. My issue is with the rules the EPA is making up and enforcing.
@thegreatdebater (7316)
• United States
27 Jun 12
"Stock video is what they had. I don't think anyone really believed the EPA was mounting missiles on the drones."
Then why did FOX say that they were like the ones used to kill terrorist?
Have you ever seen what water run off from these farms does to everything around them? I have, and I can tell you that it is costing the state of Michigan millions right now to clean up farms that didn't follow regulations and contaminated land around the farms. Do you know how much cow manure is created by 100 cows? How about 2500? How would you like to build a house and have to deal with something like that?
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@thegreatdebater (7316)
• United States
26 Jun 12
Taskr, did you see the story on FOX? They used stock footage from MILITARY drones with missiles on them. Do you really think the EPA would be using drones with missiles on them?
I might not matter to you if they are manned or not, but why weren't you upset when this was being done what GWB was in office? 10 years is a long time to do something with NOT ONE WORD FROM THE RIGHT!!!!
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@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
25 Jun 12
http://weaselzippers.us/2012/06/25/former-tv-producer-on-msnbc-wawa-edits-im-done-denying-liberal-bias/
Greg Kandra writer/producer at CBS News
I’m tired. Truly. I’ve grown weary of trying to defend the indefensible and explain the inexplicable. For years, people have stomped their feet and pounded their fists and snorted “Liberal media bias!” and I’ve always tut-tutted and shooshed them and said, “No, no. Calm down. They meant well. It was just a misunderstanding. A mistake. These things happen.” I spent over 25 years working in the oft-reviled Mainstream Media and I saw up close and personal how the sausage was made. I knew the people who wielded the knives and wore the aprons, and could vouch (most of the time, anyway) for their good intentions.
But now?
Forget it. I’m done. You deserve what they’re saying about you. It’s earned. You have worked long and hard to merit the suspicion, acrimony, mistrust and revulsion that the media-buying public increasingly heaps upon you. You have successfully eroded any confidence, dispelled any trust, and driven your audience into the arms of the Internet and the blogosphere, where biases are affirmed and like-minded people can tell each other what they hold to be true, since nobody believes in objective reality any more. You have done a superlative job of diminishing what was once a great profession and undermining one of the vital underpinnings of democracy, a free press.
Good job.
I just have one question:
What the hell is wrong with you guys?
@anniepa (27955)
• United States
25 Jun 12
I think the WAWA "controversy" is a perfect example of much ado about nothing. It happened on Andrea Mitchell's show! That's Alan Greenspan's WIFE. She is most definitely NOT a liberal, not even close; I'd guess she's a die-hard Republican. Anyway, that's not really important, the important part is what Romney said and what part of the tape they left out. What difference does it make that he was talking about how innovative private business is? The fact remains he was amazed at being able to order a sandwich in a convenience store using a computer screen and then pick it up at the register. The point of reporting this was to show that he's "out of touch". We can debate whether or not that really matters but the few seconds left off that tape doesn't really mean a thing.
Annie
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
25 Jun 12
"The fact remains he was amazed at being able to order a sandwich in a convenience store using a computer screen and then pick it up at the register. The point of reporting this was to show that he's "out of touch"."
That was the point of the reporting which is precisely why they edited the tape Annie. He was acting amazed to show the contrast between the efficiency of private business compared to the government.
@thegreatdebater (7316)
• United States
26 Jun 12
Sounds like a disgruntled worker who saw the dollar signs from the hard core right.
I hate to tell you this, but there is no free press anymore it is all a matter of how you look at it.
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@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
25 Jun 12
At least they admitted their mistake and did not pass it off as true once they found it was not.
How about MSNBC's most recent scandal? Cropping out over three minutes of a speech to make Romney look clueless? It was a right wing talk show, ex blogger who broke that story. We'd have never known there was more to the story if it was left up to the mainstream media.
How about NBC having to admit it doctored the Zimmerman 911 call? CNN reporting Zimmerman used racial epitet when he did not. Dan Rather's using forged documents to discredit Bush. It was bloggers who CLARIFIED these outright attempted lies.
How about all the news that mainstream media ignores and that we've only heard of because of bloggers?
Anthony Weiner scandal? ACORN corruption. Fast and Furious? SWATing? Warren's claiming she is a person of color? All stories covered by bloggers and tweeters on twitter, and ignored by mainstream media.
That is just a more recent list. Bloggers have kept the mainstream media hopping, breaking news stories BEFORE the mainstream in many cases. Just a blogger? Many of the major blogs are written by people with law degrees, journalism degrees, and we all know the financial worth of 'just a blog' from the recent sale of HuffPo.
The mainstream media has let America down. They are controled by money interests and have ceased to be objective. We have freedom of the press in America, mentioned in our Bill of Rights for a reason, does any one wonder WHY? Do you know your American history, the history of England? Our founders knew that if people had correct and truthful information they could be trusted to govern themselves. Pamphleteers can be credited with starting the American Revolution. Anyone remember Thomas Paine, Ben Franklin? In England you could be put in the tower, have all your property confiscated, for writing something against the King. Our founders wanted to assure this never happened again. But they didn't forsee the corrupting power of billionaire partisan interests and the sellout of the media. We no longer have the independent reporter working tirelessly on a story for his editor. Now we have bloggers out investigating and writing about what they find online. I for one am encouraged. It means there may be some honesty coming back to the American people in the info they are given.

@Rollo1 (16676)
• Boston, Massachusetts
26 Jun 12
Breitbart didn't edit that video, it was Glenn Beck that showed an edited version. But that doesn't really matter because David Brock had some kind of love/hate fixation on Brietbart and spent all of his time running that particular lie on MMfA. It wasn't true, it still isn't true and still the story keeps being repeated by Brock who is a truly sick individual. By the way, MMfA is a blog.
@thegreatdebater (7316)
• United States
26 Jun 12
Deb, they ONLY did it when Jon Stewart proved the story was false. Then they waited two weeks to do so. Why the wait? The only thing they had to do was pick up the phone and call the EPA and ask them the question.
MSNBC played the video the same way your hero Andrew Breitbart did to Shirley Sherrod. Oh, you forgot all about that didn't you?
You are correct that bloggers do get some stories right, but you many have they gotten wrong?
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@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
28 Jun 12
Don't use blogs as references or sources debater.
I'll be happy to fill you in AFTER the fact when a blogger breaks a story your 'professional journalists' refuse to cover or lie about. 
I'll be happy to fill you in AFTER the fact when a blogger breaks a story your 'professional journalists' refuse to cover or lie about. 





