Brexit. For or against?

@sissy15 (12512)
United States
June 25, 2016 1:52am CST
With the whole Brexit thing, I have to wonder just how many people from the UK are actually on board with it? I have been doing a lot of reading, and I know that it was mostly the older generation that voted for the exit. I know a lot of what's going on is uncertain, and the way things go depends on a lot of things and the deal they come up with. I've read both the reasoning from both those who voted for it and those who voted against it, and both sides make sense. I'm just curious, those of you on here from the UK how do you actually feel about it? Are you for or against it? Not that it matters now, what's been done has been done, even though technically from my understanding it's not a completely done deal yet.
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@owlwings (43897)
• Cambridge, England
25 Jun 16
Personally, I'm sad and disappointed that we voted to leave (I'm one of the 40% of 65+ who voted to remain) but, now that we have, we have to gird our loins and face the unknown with the best we can muster. Britain may have lost a certain amount of face and some will doubtless see the decision as a 'cop out' but I'm sure that we can recover with the right leadership, though the road is likely to be hard and rocky at times. You are right. The decision still has to be ratified by the government but the fact that Cameron has announced his resignation shows that that is likely to be a formality, though a rather complex one, by all accounts: we have to invoke a clause which hasn't been tested before, so nobody quite knows how that will go.
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@sissy15 (12512)
• United States
25 Jun 16
Yeah, from what I've read a lot of things can't be answered at this time. They still have to iron out all of the details, and they could leave in things that make the transition easier. I'm hoping for your sake they keep some things that actually benefit you, although I doubt any free movement will be upheld, as that was one of the reasons for leaving. It sucks that you voted to stay and have to leave, and of course you'll probably get backlash from the younger generation who probably think you voted to leave, they're already ranting and blaming everyone in the 65+ crowd, even though 40 percent of you voted against it, which is still a decent amount of you that wanted to stay. I know Scotland in general is pretty upset, because they voted to stay and now they're stuck too. I am betting they wish they would have left the UK when they had a chance. Maybe there's still a chance that they won't leave, but it is sounding like that's unlikely.
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@sissy15 (12512)
• United States
25 Jun 16
@topffer Yeah, I honestly don't know. Had they become their own country they may have been able to join the EU on their own eventually, I honestly don't know, but I think they thought they were trying to save themselves a lot of pain by not becoming their own country, and now they may as well have gone through with it.
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@topffer (42155)
• France
25 Jun 16
@sissy15 It is understandable why people in Scotland are frustrated : a powerful argument of Cameron to Scots in 2014 was : "Do not choose independence or you would leave the EU". It is difficult to tell what would happen if there was another referendum today. They have always been more pro-Europeans than English people, but I am not sure that they would leave the boat during a storm.
@Mike197602 (15504)
• United Kingdom
25 Jun 16
I was a leaver so I'm very happy with the result. People are going on about the financial consequences but I don't think they are that bad and even if they are it'd be worth it to stop being ruled by the corrupt EU. Also I've seen a few people on here saying leavers are fools and arrogant etc and we voted to leave due to immigration. Some may have done so but every leaver I know just wanted to not be controlled by the EU and the ECHR. Also we could see more money being required to prop up poorly run governments who can't even effectively tax their citizens.
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@sissy15 (12512)
• United States
25 Jun 16
Well, I'm glad at least you are happy about it, most of the stuff I'm reading are from those who are angry. I've read stories from both sides about why they wanted to stay or leave, but the ones who voted to stay are the ones I'm hearing the most about, which is understandable as they're angry and want to rant, and I can't necessarily say I blame them. They had their reasons for wanting to stay just as those had their reasons for wanting to leave. I am pretty neutral on it since I'm not from the UK or apart of the EU. I mean it does affect the US, but it's not like anything any of you are going through.
@skysnap (20152)
25 Jun 16
Whichever way this decision goes. I hope it ends up for best.
@sissy15 (12512)
• United States
25 Jun 16
Me too, I really hope if they do officially leave that they at least make the transition easier for their citizens. I doubt they'll really want to allow free movement to continue as that's part of the reason they wanted out of the EU.
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@scheng1 (24649)
• Singapore
25 Jun 16
@sissy15 The transition for UK will not be easy. UK has not a single trade agreement in place with any country at all. When it was in EU, all the trade agreements made by EU applied to UK. Now it has to negotiate with every country, and the terms may not be as good. Once a country decides to slap a tariff on either import or export, UK will suffer.
@sissy15 (12512)
• United States
25 Jun 16
@scheng1 No, it won't be easy, but hopefully they make it as easy as it can be, which albeit won't be easy at all, but hopefully they'll get to keep some benefits the EU allowed them, which is possible from what I was reading depending on what their final agreement is, but a lot sounds unlikely. The UK did actually put more into the EU than they got out of it though, they paid the most into it behind I think it said Germany and France, which may have been one of the other reasons they wanted to leave.
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25 Jun 16
Definetely against, as any educated tolerant person would be. There hasn't been a single solid argument for the Brexit and their still isn't
@sissy15 (12512)
• United States
25 Jun 16
I've read a lot of things, but I honestly couldn't say as I am not from there, and I'm just reading not experiencing it first hand. My opinion wouldn't mean much, not that I've really formed one, because again it's not my country. Albeit this will affect the US too, and it seems mostly in negative ways. I'm just kind of getting all of the information on it slowly, and while I understand the basics in it, it's still a fairly complicated situation, but I've read arguments from both sides, and both made sense to me, but again since I'm not from there, I wouldn't actually know how sound those arguments are.
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@sissy15 (12512)
• United States
26 Jun 16
@Cherganski I really haven't heard a good argument for the economical side, but I've heard their reasons why they wanted to leave, which really didn't have much to do with anything from an economical standpoint, just because they hated the free movement, and wanted to have more of a say over their own country, which I mean it sounds good in theory, but economically it doesn't sound like the best decision, but since I'm not from there I don't know a whole lot about that side of things. I know some, but not enough to have a real opinion over it. All I know is what I read.
26 Jun 16
@sissy15 oh yes this affects everyone. but basically whatever arguments you heard for a brexit were either non factual or based in hatred. Seriously not a single actual argument has been put trough. Not an economical one at least