Query for Home-Schoolers and Learning as Adults

@JudyEv (381815)
Rockingham, Australia
July 22, 2016 8:35pm CST
As part of my decluttering I am revisiting some of our books and deciding whether I really need to leave them on the shelves or should someone else have the pleasure of reading them. The latest to join the discard pile is John Holt's Never Too Late. Holt (1923-1985) was an American author and educator who finished his life as a strong proponent of homeschooling. He was also a pioneer in youth rights. Never Too Late is about him taking up playing the cello as an adult. Throughout the book, he expresses some of his beliefs about how children (and adults) learn or don't learn, relalting his ideas to his own experiences. He wrote a number of books about educating children and his home-schooling newsletter Growing Without School ran from 1977 to 2001 although Holt himself died in 1985. He believed that children learnt best when they weren't coerced into learning – when they were ' provided with a rich and stimulating learning environment would learn what they are ready to learn, when they are ready to learn it'. His philosophy is documented in Wikipedia and I wondered if any of the home-schoolers among our members had ever heard of him. I also found it a bit poignant that he died only five years about he wrote his book about his musical journey.
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@jaboUK (64346)
• United Kingdom
23 Jul 16
The whole idea of home-schooling is strange to me - I'd never heard of it till reading about it here and elsewhere online. It would be interesting to know the statistics of how successful it is.
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@PatZAnthony (14749)
• Charlotte, North Carolina
24 Jul 16
@jaboUK Many of us have done this successfully. It is not new. For centuries people learned at home with the parents and other family members as teachers.
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@LadyDuck (502190)
• Italy
23 Jul 16
Same as you Janet. I remember that in Italy home schooling was not allowed, kids must be sent to a recognized school. I do not think that this has changed.
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@JudyEv (381815)
• Rockingham, Australia
23 Jul 16
@LadyDuck You can home-school in WA but there must be a register of some sort as I know there are people who check on the progress of home-schooled kids.
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@AutumnSnow (4583)
23 Jul 16
This is a very interesting read as I home school my children. I can recall hearing about vaguely while I can't remember where exactly.
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@JudyEv (381815)
• Rockingham, Australia
23 Jul 16
A lot of the articles from the newsletters were published posthumously in a book too.
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@Hatley (163772)
• Garden Grove, California
23 Jul 16
He sounds really interesting I will see if our lib rary has his book
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@JudyEv (381815)
• Rockingham, Australia
23 Jul 16
I enjoyed reading about him learning the cello.
@DeborahDiane (40843)
• Laguna Woods, California
23 Jul 16
While children need to be taught the basics, I believe they should feel free to explore the things that interest them after that. He sounds interesting!
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@JudyEv (381815)
• Rockingham, Australia
23 Jul 16
I think he had very high ideals but wasn't able to really bring them to fruition.
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• Laguna Woods, California
25 Jul 16
@JudyEv - In most places in the U.S., home schooling is carefully regulated, too. However, the Supreme Court of the State of Texas recently ruled that parents do not have to teach their children ANYTHING at all, if they sincerely believe that the end of the world is near. Isn't that outrageous?? I think that is the same as abusing or neglecting a child.
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@JudyEv (381815)
• Rockingham, Australia
24 Jul 16
@DeborahDiane The author was advocating a rich environment which would encourage learning but of course that is all very well in theory. Lazy parents who let the child learn as they please would find the child learns nothing. Here, home schooling is regulated and checks kept on the progress of the child.
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@Lucky15 (37391)
• Philippines
23 Jul 16
I agree with him. Let them.learn and they learn the best things when youlet them by themselveS
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@JudyEv (381815)
• Rockingham, Australia
23 Jul 16
That is true but they need the right circumstances if they are going to learn by themselves.
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@Mike197602 (15504)
• United Kingdom
23 Jul 16
Nothing to add but I'm interested so will be reading
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@JudyEv (381815)
• Rockingham, Australia
23 Jul 16
His 'playing the cello' book was interesting.
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@Mike197602 (15504)
• United Kingdom
23 Jul 16
@JudyEv I've never played an instrument ever. I think I may like to do so which is why I've been reading. I'd like to have some sort of hobby.
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@JudyEv (381815)
• Rockingham, Australia
23 Jul 16
@Mike197602 One friend recently started learning ukelele. I think he has three now. :)
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@epiffanie (11325)
• Australia
23 Jul 16
That is so true .. I learned more outside of the education system ..
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@epiffanie (11325)
• Australia
24 Jul 16
@JudyEv I know some people who wasted their university degrees.. I don't understand it why they spent so much time and energy learning something at uni and never used it..
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@JudyEv (381815)
• Rockingham, Australia
23 Jul 16
I think many people do learn more once they leave school especially now that there is so much emphasis on academic subjects. It is a waste to keep everyone at school till 17 or 18.
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@JudyEv (381815)
• Rockingham, Australia
24 Jul 16
@epiffanie Some people at that age don't really know what they want to do with their lives and they just go with what their friends are doing perhaps.
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@jstory07 (148720)
• Roseburg, Oregon
23 Jul 16
Sunds like a good book to share with others.
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@JudyEv (381815)
• Rockingham, Australia
23 Jul 16
It made interesting reading.
@LadyDuck (502190)
• Italy
23 Jul 16
I do not know if home schooling is the solution, but from my experience I know that you must go to a school that you like. You must appreciate the teachers, your school mates and the place. I loved my first school and I hated so much the second school where I was sent when we moved that I lost all the pleasure of learning.
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@LadyDuck (502190)
• Italy
24 Jul 16
@JudyEv It was a snobbish school, where most were snobbish girls and the school was run by rude and unpleasant nuns. For sure I will never forget the experience.
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@JudyEv (381815)
• Rockingham, Australia
24 Jul 16
@LadyDuck Some of the nuns could be very harsh and unpleasant. Vin ended up the only boy at a convent school but the nuns made a favourite of him mostly. I'd had to retrain him out of some of the bad habits they let him get away with.
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@JudyEv (381815)
• Rockingham, Australia
23 Jul 16
I couldn't agree more. If you are not happy at a school there is no way you are going to learn much.
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@sueznewz2 (10409)
• Alicante, Spain
24 Jul 16
sounds interesting.... I like his 'learning environment theory' I think its good to pass on books... I think there will always be room for secondhand book sales and stores....
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@sueznewz2 (10409)
• Alicante, Spain
24 Jul 16
@JudyEv we found that here too... and amazon will buy some second hand books too.... quite a few places do these days ...
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@JudyEv (381815)
• Rockingham, Australia
25 Jul 16
@sueznewz2 I should perhaps try some on Amazon.
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@JudyEv (381815)
• Rockingham, Australia
24 Jul 16
The store in our town now actually pays for second-hand books which is a bonus. Until recently I've always given them away.
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@Ceerios (4698)
• Goodfellow, Texas
23 Jul 16
@JudyEv - Ms Judy - A suggestion to anyone interested in "home schooling" and/or in supplementary education. Check out "Free-Ed.net." It is supported by a number of organizations and has been around (and free) for a number of years. It has an excellent reputation.
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@Ceerios (4698)
• Goodfellow, Texas
24 Jul 16
@JudyEv - Ms Judy - You are correct about people missing the information unless they take in the comments on you fine postings.
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@JudyEv (381815)
• Rockingham, Australia
24 Jul 16
That's a good suggestion. Why don't you write a post about it so that it will reach more MyLotters. No-one will see it here unless they go through the comments.
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@JudyEv (381815)
• Rockingham, Australia
24 Jul 16
@Ceerios So shall I keep watch for a post from you on the subject?
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@teamfreak16 (43567)
• Denver, Colorado
23 Jul 16
I agree with him, but I wish they'd find a way to accomplish that in public schools. More interactions with hopefully diverse people.
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@JudyEv (381815)
• Rockingham, Australia
23 Jul 16
I don't think too many of his ideas were adopted. In the book I read, he said it wouldn't happen in his lifetime.
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@miniam (9151)
• Bern, Switzerland
23 Jul 16
Home schooling to my knowledge has not been around for long,but l think children will learn better when with others plus,how will the parents really know that their children are doing well when home schooling.?
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@JudyEv (381815)
• Rockingham, Australia
24 Jul 16
I think there is room for both methods. If a child is perhaps bullied or just slow in some subjects they might be better off with one-on-one tuition.
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@miniam (9151)
• Bern, Switzerland
24 Jul 16
@JudyEv Well said Judy,Bullying sure can take away the fun of attending school and mak each and every day unbearable
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@RubyHawk (99367)
• Atlanta, Georgia
24 Jul 16
I haven't heard of the author, but I'm sure it would be a good book for parents to read. I think there are more parents who home school today than before.
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@JudyEv (381815)
• Rockingham, Australia
26 Jul 16
@RubyHawk I think it takes a few special skills maybe. I wouldn't be patient enough.
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@JudyEv (381815)
• Rockingham, Australia
24 Jul 16
I think there are a lot who are disillusioned with the education system at the moment.
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@RubyHawk (99367)
• Atlanta, Georgia
26 Jul 16
@JudyEv Our schools aren't what they used to be. Nothing like when my children were in school. My sister in law tried home schooling her granddaughter but it didn't work and she put her back in school.
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@marsha32 (6631)
• United States
25 Jul 16
If I remember correctly he was a big advocate of unschooling.
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@JudyEv (381815)
• Rockingham, Australia
26 Jul 16
That's true. His book, although not all about home-schooling or unschooling, mentioned a lot of his beliefs on the subject.
• Preston, England
23 Jul 16
he sounds quite an inspiring pioneer educator
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• Preston, England
23 Jul 16
@JudyEv probably right too sadly
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@JudyEv (381815)
• Rockingham, Australia
23 Jul 16
I think he was a bit disillusioned at the finish and said several times that there wouldn't be much reform in his lifetime.
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@silvermist (19701)
• India
23 Jul 16
@JudyEv This one aspect of decluttering especially books that I like.May be a little time would be wasted.But when you go through some books there are memories of reading certain books and why you liked them. I think some students dread going to the traditional schools because of very strict treatment of students by some teachers.
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@silvermist (19701)
• India
24 Jul 16
@JudyEv Yes I agree.Good to see the progress you are making with the Decluttering.
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@JudyEv (381815)
• Rockingham, Australia
23 Jul 16
Sometimes I think schools are better than they were but other times some children seem to have a terrible time at school. I am enjoying going through my books again. Some I am keeping but most I am now finding new homes for.
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@Juliaacv (56195)
• Canada
24 Jul 16
I do not know much about home-schooling other then what I read on the site here. It was mandatory that we were sent to a registered school, and the same held true with our son. I would imagine that for some children there are benefits, but there has to be drawbacks as well, I am not an educator so wouldn't have made a very good home schooling parent.
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@JudyEv (381815)
• Rockingham, Australia
24 Jul 16
I don't think I would have been patient enough but some of the home-schooling parents here seem to do really well.
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@Jessicalynnt (50523)
• Centralia, Missouri
23 Jul 16
not homeschooled, agree that one is never too old to learn, disagree that all children do best in such a way. Some sure, all? I doubt it.
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• Centralia, Missouri
23 Jul 16
@JudyEv good that such options are out there, so that if one way doesnt work, one can try another
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@JudyEv (381815)
• Rockingham, Australia
23 Jul 16
I don't think it suits all children and certainly not all parents but in some cases it works very well. It was an interesting book.
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• United States
23 Jul 16
sadly i've ne'er read his book :( i do agree though, all folks - young'un ol' learn best 'n such environments. i'm gonna check the library here'n see if'n they've this book now :) one's learnin' ability (some that belief 'emselves too ol') 'tis jest a state 'f mind.
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• United States
23 Jul 16
@JudyEv yes ma'am, i agree with his thoughts. many a brilliant mind's been stifled by such o'er the centuries i'm certain.
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@JudyEv (381815)
• Rockingham, Australia
23 Jul 16
His main objection to traditional teaching methods seemed to be that children became fearful of failure and then couldn't learn. They would think they were dumb and things just went from bad to worse. I'm sure this is true for many kids.
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