Overcoming evil, by embracing it
By emptychair
@innertalks (23734)
Australia
July 18, 2017 10:03pm CST
I just read somewhere that the only way to overcome evil is not to work for it, but to make it work for you, so that it moves across to your side then, helping you in some undefinable way then too.
This writer even had the gall to say that Jesus Christ used evil in this way. His murder became the salvation route of the world.
Jesus forgave evil, because in reality, evil never really ever really "knows" what it is doing.
Did Jesus Christ really overcome evil by making it work for him in this way, on the cross?
Did Jesus really befriend evil by his allowing himself to be murdered, but saving the world from evil, as a result of this happening anyway?
Can, or should we ever use evil to do good, then, or is that very idea a bit of a preposterous misnomer in itself?
Are we resorting to evil then, ourselves too, in some ways?
I think that Jesus did not use evil.
It tried to use him, but when you stand firm on love, love stands firm on you, so to speak, and all then happens so that love triumphs, despite the presence of evil.
A subtle point, but Jesus was pure love. Evil is non-love.
Love never uses evil for anything.
Love like the sun shines on all alike. It is the freedom of the person it shines on to make their own way with love, via love's way, or to use it, for their own purposes instead, going the way of evil then, instead.
Any other way than love's way is an evil way then, in these strictly definable terms.
Even though evil remains present, its darkness cannot get past the light of love.
Love will always dispel evil, even as light always defeats the dark.
We cannot use evil to do good.
What do you think about that?
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@Shiva49 (28371)
• Singapore
19 Jul 17
When arrows are shot at those who are upright, they become even flowers when they hit the target!
Evil is present in us too though we will do better with love in our sojourn here.
The wise will choose good at all times while the few will wallow in evil and then misery.
Then there are the few with legs on both.
I have faced few who are overwhelmingly evil and I avoid them.
There was one where I was led to help out but that lady was too negative and it took me three years to get out.
And then it was pure relief, so evil has also a role to play!
At another place I was played out by one who showed his true colors but then I was able to enjoy life more later.
I met a jewish gentleman who was working in India and was a consultant to our company.
Once we finished a meeting past midnight and met at 8 am the next day and, lo and behold, he had prepared a detailed note for the day. When we were amazed at his commitment, he said " I was incarcerated by Hitler's army; thereafter everything in this world becomes a blessing, heaven"! siva
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@innertalks (23734)
• Australia
19 Jul 17
I guess you are right, siva, evil has a "role" to play for some reason unknown to us now.
God, ultimately is the one where the buck must stop about this. He "allows" it to continue to play a role for now then, because who could doubt his power to end its role right now if this was part of his plan.
I am not so sure that we are born with evil in us, though.
The pristine emptiness inside of us is not filled with any evil until we place it there, and it is not then empty.
Sin, the original sin, is not evil in us then. It is more a conditional aspect that tests our mettle for evil.
If we give into sin and build on it, we become evil, but if we try to be forgiven for even this original karmic type of sin, which is a racial karmic sin, then we can go on and avoid most other sin, and embrace love instead.
@Shiva49 (28371)
• Singapore
19 Jul 17
@innertalks Is there evil in heaven then? If everything is more than hunky-dory, then how are we tested?
Where is the challenge then? Without challenges our lives will be too boring. We are not robots here and hopefully not afterlife as we are "alive" here. Being alive means being able to choose between good and evil.
So there should be a "method to the madness". We keep creating evil and try to conquer it but without much success. God's hands free, we have long passed the teenage years and should mature to live in peace. Earlier times, god was more hands on, packing a punch as only he could!
I recall one time when I posted babies are born innocent and I was taken to task. According to that person, all come pre-wired and not the same. We react differently and different souls having journeyed different paths.
However, we should know we reap what we sow. So it is up to us. evil is present everywhere looking for easy prey; nobody promised us it is an easy ride here and we took the plunge to come here, come what may. That way, we were adventurous to venture here. The good is the majority but have to be wary of the evil - if only the good unite, the evil will have no place to hide! siva
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@innertalks (23734)
• Australia
19 Jul 17
@Shiva49 Is there evil in heaven?
That's an interesting question to posit, siva
Is it possible for the inhabitants of Heaven to sin there?
The story goes that Satan sinned and rebelled against God, or so we are told, wanting to be God himself, and corrupting a number of angels into sin, along with him too.
Why did this happen?
Was it a part of God's plan, or was it something that he didn't expect to happen?
How could it happen?
Love lives perfected as God in Heaven.
Nobody else in his creation has this same perfection, but some want it enough to sin against God, not seeing that they then move further away from his perfection.
Embrace God and be God, curse God and lose God.
It is our own choice which path we take here, and it is also the angel's choice, and all of creation's choice, and so as choice is obviously possible in heaven, sin can enter heaven.
This would mean that also evil natures can take over the inhabitants there, who do not value their current position enough to see that there can only be one God, and that they are part of him, not/never really ever fully separate as themselves, trying jealously in themselves then, to be all of God too.
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