An Atheistic Bible Study Of Genesis - Chapter Five
@arthurchappell (44941)
Preston, England
August 1, 2017 4:07am CST
This ludicrous chapter is the Bible’s first family tree, giving the bloodline of male succession from Adam to Noah. The women apparently don’t count.
The most ridiculous feature is the ages to which the men of the ten generations presented live to. Adam makes it to 930. (Eve’s age is unstated). Jared lives to 962, and the oldest recorded man, Methuselah reaches the ripe old age of 989.
Each man is still virile to an absurd age too, with Adam conceiving Seth at 130, while Lamech is a spritely 182 when he impregnates his wife with Noah.
Some of the family names seem confused or highly coincidental. Enoch and Lamech are also referred to in the bloodlines of Cain in the preceding chapter. It may be that these were once common names though for Seth to name sons after descendants of a murderous brother seems rather distasteful. Most likely some writers got their bloodline lists confused here.
We get no details of the lives of these sons (Noah excepted as he dominates the following chapters). They are just very old men, and though they had other offspring, only their first sons matter.
Noah’s birth is greeted with a useless prophesy by hi s father Lamech who believes Noah will bring the family great comfort in their age of cursed soil and their hard work. Given that Noah is about to go away with only seven others in a floating zoo leaving everyone else on the planet to drown suggests Lamech’s prophesy was unfulfilled. This is actually the first prophesy given in the Bible and it proves to be useless within a very short time.
The ages given are used by many young Earth Creationists in calculating the age of the Earth, and on the basis of this chapter they conclude that the Earth cannot have existed prior to 4004 BC. Fossil records, geology, dinosaurs, common sense, tree rings, carbon dating, history; skeptics like me, all be damned, after all this is the Bible they have it from.
The oldest living person actually on social historic record was Jeanne Louise Calment who died in France aged 122 in France in 1997 (born in 1875). The last ten oldest people on Earth were all women. The oldest recorded man who ever lived was Jiroemom Kimuru of Japan who lived until he was 116. (dying in 2013).
Biblical times were a period of Bronze Age people and as Lamech acknowledges, the farming was tough. This was an age of great drought and hardship. Most people would be lucky to live to see thirty let alone their 900th birthday. For a single family’s men to have such a longevity line one after the other is patently ridiculous.
Arthur Chappell
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@LadyDuck (502190)
• Italy
1 Aug 17
I fully agree with you that, taking the words of the Bible "literally" a lot of things make no sense at all. I have seen a video of Jeanne Louise Calment when she was 119 years old and (to be honest) I prefer to die younger, but healthy and independent.
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@arthurchappell (44941)
• Preston, England
1 Aug 17
@LadyDuck yes there would be a point at which you would just be surviving and not really living
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@LadyDuck (502190)
• Italy
1 Aug 17
@arthurchappell This is the point, you cannot walk, you cannot see well, you do not hear well, you have difficulties breathing... is this life?
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@arthurchappell (44941)
• Preston, England
2 Aug 17
@LadyDuck life with no quality of life is just existing
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@Poppylicious (11134)
• United Kingdom
2 Aug 17
I don't think the ages is something to even worry your pretty little head about. I've always just thought it meant they lived till a ripe old age. After all, the average age back then was probably about thirty. Maybe Noah et al. simply defied all the odds and lived to be ninety! *gasp*
How long was a day before God created the sun and the moon? How long was a year in these Old Testament times? Maybe they viewed time differently to us.
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@arthurchappell (44941)
• Preston, England
2 Aug 17
@Poppylicious I can imagine their calendars being out by days, months or even a few years but not by centuries
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@dlr297 (5409)
• United States
1 Aug 17
Yes Chapter 5 is the tree from Adam to Noah.. I would say that people used the same names in the family trees just like now their are common names now....That is not unusual....The Bloodline list is not confused...
The ages of man before the flood are not ridiculous ..and yes they are the oldest recorded ages of man..
The bloodline is given with Adams 3rd son Seth because that is the blood line in which Jesus Christ comes from...
The first prophesy in the bible is Genesis 3:15.. And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
From this first prophecy, we learn that the Messiah was to be incarnate, born of a woman and not begotten by man. He was to suffer and die. Also, he was to destroy Satan and his works, which Jesus has done........
Their are many prophesy's in the Bible that we do not understand yet..That does not mean that they are not true.. Their are also many that have not come to pass yet....
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@dlr297 (5409)
• United States
4 Aug 17
@arthurchappell We know that everyone came from Adam and eve....We also know that from the flood only Noah, and his sons and their wives survived....so both Joseph and Mary had to come from somewhere in this line up to that point... And Jewish law always set the line through the husband...Their are both lines both Marys, and Josephs listed in the Bible...
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@arthurchappell (44941)
• Preston, England
2 Aug 17
@dlr297 The Jesus bloodline would make sense if it was Mary's but it actually leads to Joseph who was obviously cut off from the virgin conception anyway
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@arthurchappell (44941)
• Preston, England
4 Aug 17
@dlr297 But as Joeph allegedly never impregnated Mary his bloodline becomes irrelevent - the limeage is not through marriage but through the first born sons That's why none of the bloodlines include the daughters
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@arthurchappell (44941)
• Preston, England
31 Aug 17
@jstory07 me too - years or even months on a machine and / or in agony with no hope of recovery would not appeal to me
@arthurchappell (44941)
• Preston, England
2 Aug 17
@franxav in the future yes but not the past
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