I remembered a name for some 70-odd years

@JudyEv (381837)
Rockingham, Australia
March 4, 2023 6:00pm CST
Our nephew messaged tonight asking if we had old photos from my mother’s side of the family. We do have some and have arranged to give him copies at some point. He also asked if we knew anything about Suffolk Punches that he thought might have been used by the family on the farm. The Suffolk Punch is one of the British breeds of heavy draught horses. It is always chestnut in colour and, because it was bred in an area where the soil is extremely heavy and goes to mud in the winter, it has very little ‘feather’ or hair on its fetlocks (immediately above its hooves). You can see the ‘clean’ legs in the photo. The Clydesdale was more popular in Australia but Mum used to talk about their Suffolk stallion called Camden Dictator and how quiet he was. He would come to the kitchen window for a handout if he got the chance. For some reason, I’ve always remembered his name. The nephew messaged later saying that, using Trove, a free Australian online research portal, he’d found where Camden Dictator had been sold in the Eastern States for over 100 guineas which would have been a high price at the time. It even had his month and year of birth – December 1906. The photo is from Wikimedia courtesy Amanda Slater from Coventry, England, via Wikimedia Commons
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@LadyDuck (502208)
• Italy
5 Mar 23
Suffolk horses are similar to the Clydesdale. Here in Europe in the old times bulls were used in agriculture. I remember my grandfather had a beautiful stallion that he used to ride, but he used bulls to plow the fields.
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@LadyDuck (502208)
• Italy
5 Mar 23
@JudyEv Bulls are still used in the south of Italy for farm work.
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@JudyEv (381837)
• Rockingham, Australia
5 Mar 23
Bulls were used here too but not so much for farm work. More for haulage and road work.
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@CarolDM (203396)
• Nashville, Tennessee
5 Mar 23
Good he has you to ask for these items. Love those beautiful Clydesdale horses.
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@JudyEv (381837)
• Rockingham, Australia
6 Mar 23
The ones in the photo are Suffolks - not that it matters. They are always chestnut but I don't think I've ever seen a chestnut Clydesdale. Must research it one day!
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@JudyEv (381837)
• Rockingham, Australia
6 Mar 23
@CarolDM Thanks for the link. It was very interesting. The Queen's drum horses are Clydesdales.
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@CarolDM (203396)
• Nashville, Tennessee
6 Mar 23
@JudyEv I researched a little just now. Clydesdales are most often bay in color, though they also can be black, gray, or chestnut.
https://www.thesprucepets.com/meet-the-clydesdale-1886108
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• China
5 Mar 23
Those horses in the photo look stout and strong ! Have you seen the Camden Dictator the horse ? The horse was clever enough to know how to get a handout.
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• China
6 Mar 23
@JudyEv Oh, I see.I remember your mum lived to more than 100.
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@JudyEv (381837)
• Rockingham, Australia
6 Mar 23
@changjiangzhibin89 Yes, she was 104 (and six months) when she passed away.
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@JudyEv (381837)
• Rockingham, Australia
6 Mar 23
I hadn't been born when Camden Dictator was around. My mum would have been a young girl when he was on the farm.
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@Juliaacv (56218)
• Canada
5 Mar 23
They are such beautiful large animals.
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@Juliaacv (56218)
• Canada
6 Mar 23
@JudyEv Yes they really do yet they are not as heavy looking as a Clydesdale.
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@JudyEv (381837)
• Rockingham, Australia
6 Mar 23
They ooze strength, don't they? They are very compact compared to some breeds.
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@rakski (156260)
• Philippines
5 Mar 23
Good that he was able to find a site that might give him answers
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@rakski (156260)
• Philippines
5 Mar 23
@JudyEv for sure. It is amazing to know the discovery from the past is now all in the internet
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@JudyEv (381837)
• Rockingham, Australia
5 Mar 23
It is amazing what is on that site.
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@Ronrybs (21503)
• London, England
5 Mar 23
That's interesting! Sounds a bit like a family tree for horses
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@JudyEv (381837)
• Rockingham, Australia
5 Mar 23
At one time there were less Suffolks alive than pandas. I'm not sure if it's still the case. The stud books are exactly like a family tree but each horse is taken individually and not listed with all his/her siblings. And there are no divorces, mixed marriages, etc. Would you believe I haven't yet had a drink tonight?
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@JudyEv (381837)
• Rockingham, Australia
7 Mar 23
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@Ronrybs (21503)
• London, England
7 Mar 23
@JudyEv I am sure you fix the latter!
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@shaggin (74988)
• United States
5 Mar 23
Wow that is so amazing he was able to trace where the horse had been sold so long ago. Their rears are so muscular.
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@JudyEv (381837)
• Rockingham, Australia
5 Mar 23
They are virtually all muscle, aren't they?
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@allknowing (153544)
• India
5 Mar 23
Appreciate your nephew's curiosity
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@JudyEv (381837)
• Rockingham, Australia
6 Mar 23
I had tried to search the Stud Book for the breed but hadn't thought about looking in Trove.
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@rebelann (117206)
• El Paso, Texas
5 Mar 23
I kinda figured horses used on farms back in the late 1800s wouldn't be cheap as they'd have to be able to work really hard but didn't your dad have a tractor instead? Edit: I think I got cornfuzed a little bit, amazing how often I do that
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@JudyEv (381837)
• Rockingham, Australia
5 Mar 23
My Dad was one of the last to use horses but then everyone was getting out of horses and into tractors. He was farming in the 1935's onwards.
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@RebeccasFarm (91299)
• United States
5 Mar 23
Lovely horses all of them Judy..glad your nephew was able to use Trove.
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@JudyEv (381837)
• Rockingham, Australia
6 Mar 23
There is all sorts of things in Trove.
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@Dena91 (17029)
• United States
5 Mar 23
There was a gentleman who always plowed his garden with his horses here. His rows were some of the straightest I have ever seen. Sadly he passed a couple of years ago. Those horses in the picture are beautiful. It's funny how some things are embedded in our brains forever, and other things float around in there and sometimes we can remember, and other times not at all.
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@JudyEv (381837)
• Rockingham, Australia
5 Mar 23
I'm not sure why I remembered this unless it was just because it was a horse. We watched a ploughing match in England and that was very impressive too.
@RubyHawk (99367)
• Atlanta, Georgia
5 Mar 23
Nowadays you can find almost anything you want on the internet.
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@JudyEv (381837)
• Rockingham, Australia
5 Mar 23
I'd tried to go via the Suffolk Stud Book but my nephew's idea was much better.
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@RubyHawk (99367)
• Atlanta, Georgia
5 Mar 23
@JudyEv He certainly knew where to look.
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@LindaOHio (222285)
• United States
5 Mar 23
What a lovely memory!
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@JudyEv (381837)
• Rockingham, Australia
6 Mar 23
I was amazed when our nephew came up with this information.
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@Beestring (15373)
• Hong Kong
5 Mar 23
The horses in the photo are very good looking. Are Suffolk Punches mainly used on the farm?
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@JudyEv (381837)
• Rockingham, Australia
5 Mar 23
They were but not so much nowadays. Not at all in Australia. We have tractors, big and small, which have taken over from horses.
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@wolfgirl569 (135601)
• Marion, Ohio
5 Mar 23
That is an unusual name. They are some good looking horses
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@Kandae11 (57233)
5 Mar 23
I wonder how the name Suffolk Punch came about.
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@JudyEv (381837)
• Rockingham, Australia
5 Mar 23
Suffolk is an English county in East Anglia on the east of England and 'punch' is an old word for a short, stout person.