Climate Change Extremism- A Different Perspective
By DB
@dgobucks226 (37621)
June 14, 2023 5:32pm CST
The current administration plans on spending up to "92 TRILLION DOLLARS" toward Green Energy initiatives if Congresswoman Cortez's bill is enacted in the near future. I'm in favor of policies which reduce carbon emissions, but maybe those in charge should reconsider the "PACE" at which they try to make us carbon neutral.
You have to wonder if the climate extremists have correctly thought through their policy initiatives, their effect on our economy, and the required urgency at which this change needs to be implemented. Or is it one of those bills where members just pass it and read what's in it later. 
If you from an older generation you've heard about our planet's doom before. In the 70's acid rain was our climate threat. Well, what happened with that? Next, it was the ozone layer, the earth eventually turning into an ice age and freezing us to death. Nothing happened there? Then it was Al Gore's prediction in 2009 there was a 75% chance the entire north polar ice cap would likely be gone by 2016. It's 2023 and I'm still waiting for that one.
And then there is the extreme weather argument. Yes, extreme weather events happen each year. They have always occurred, (look up the Dust Bowl of the 1930's), but those arguing that we have more episodes with each year are inaccurate. Did you know there were actually fewer tornadoes this year than last. And hurricane frequency is a weather phenomenon which fluctuates from year to year just like snowfalls.
So, before declaring the end of our existence, take a deep breath and remember those cries of wolf have been going on for decades. As a matter of fact, "none of the climate change prophecies made by climate alarmists over the last 50-plus years have come true, not even close."
Here are some issues and questions to consider if your "all-in" on the Ocasio-Cortez sponsored Green Energy Programs:
1. Electric vehicles require Lithium batteries to run and we have little of that mineral in our country to supply them. So, we would need to look to China for our supply as they are the biggest supplier of Lithium to the world.
-Are you comfortable "with getting in bed" with China to supply this resource?
2. Just how much would our Global Temperatures be reduced by spending these Trillions of dollars? In a recent Congressional hearing, the current administrations Cabinet members (Interior/Energy) could not provide an answer.
-Shouldn't we as taxpayers know how effective these climate change initiatives will be? After all we are the ones footing the bill.
3. How many Americans can currently afford an electric vehicle? The price tag for one of these cars is just too much for the majority of citizens. Especially those at the poverty line.
-Factor in that the infrastructure (although improving) is not effectively in place to make owning an EV convenient.
4. A final issue deals with moving our reliance from gas to solar and wind energy. A great idea, but not when your dependent on the "whims" of the weather. Look what happened in Texas when their wind powered apparatus stopped working due to freezing weather.
-One could also add the "killing of innocent" birds and wildlife who run into those windmills.
I'm all for cleaning up and having a safer environment, but wouldn't a gradual approach be more advisable? And toning down the rhetoric with ridiculous statements to scare people needlessly, like the planet is going to end by 2040 does more harm than good. I for one am suffering from climate change fatigue. 
Do you have a view on climate change? How would you respond to these 4 issues above?
Some Source Info- Competitive Enterprise Institute, Newsmax, NY Post, National Review

If you from an older generation you've heard about our planet's doom before. In the 70's acid rain was our climate threat. Well, what happened with that? Next, it was the ozone layer, the earth eventually turning into an ice age and freezing us to death. Nothing happened there? Then it was Al Gore's prediction in 2009 there was a 75% chance the entire north polar ice cap would likely be gone by 2016. It's 2023 and I'm still waiting for that one.
And then there is the extreme weather argument. Yes, extreme weather events happen each year. They have always occurred, (look up the Dust Bowl of the 1930's), but those arguing that we have more episodes with each year are inaccurate. Did you know there were actually fewer tornadoes this year than last. And hurricane frequency is a weather phenomenon which fluctuates from year to year just like snowfalls.
So, before declaring the end of our existence, take a deep breath and remember those cries of wolf have been going on for decades. As a matter of fact, "none of the climate change prophecies made by climate alarmists over the last 50-plus years have come true, not even close."
Here are some issues and questions to consider if your "all-in" on the Ocasio-Cortez sponsored Green Energy Programs:
1. Electric vehicles require Lithium batteries to run and we have little of that mineral in our country to supply them. So, we would need to look to China for our supply as they are the biggest supplier of Lithium to the world.
-Are you comfortable "with getting in bed" with China to supply this resource?
2. Just how much would our Global Temperatures be reduced by spending these Trillions of dollars? In a recent Congressional hearing, the current administrations Cabinet members (Interior/Energy) could not provide an answer.
-Shouldn't we as taxpayers know how effective these climate change initiatives will be? After all we are the ones footing the bill.
3. How many Americans can currently afford an electric vehicle? The price tag for one of these cars is just too much for the majority of citizens. Especially those at the poverty line.
-Factor in that the infrastructure (although improving) is not effectively in place to make owning an EV convenient.
4. A final issue deals with moving our reliance from gas to solar and wind energy. A great idea, but not when your dependent on the "whims" of the weather. Look what happened in Texas when their wind powered apparatus stopped working due to freezing weather.
-One could also add the "killing of innocent" birds and wildlife who run into those windmills.
I'm all for cleaning up and having a safer environment, but wouldn't a gradual approach be more advisable? And toning down the rhetoric with ridiculous statements to scare people needlessly, like the planet is going to end by 2040 does more harm than good. I for one am suffering from climate change fatigue. 
Do you have a view on climate change? How would you respond to these 4 issues above?
Some Source Info- Competitive Enterprise Institute, Newsmax, NY Post, National Review5 people like this
6 responses
@LindaOHio (222288)
• United States
15 Jun 23
I'm one that believes all the hype. I know that the Earth is in dire straits. Plastic pollution has become a major issue for us and for wildlife. All the things you mention may not have happened by the dates predicted; but they are happening. I do appreciate your post and your expressing your opinions.
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@LindaOHio (222288)
• United States
16 Jun 23
@dgobucks226 I agree that hysterics and putting due dates on events are not practical. I appreciate your letting me voice my opinion. I guess we will agree to disagree...and that's OK. We did it civilly and like adults.
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@dgobucks226 (37621)
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17 Jun 23
@LindaOHio Of course. I am not posting about this topic to force my opinion on anyone. I am just questioning the government's approach to this issue and pointing out to those interested some of the fallacies of what the administration and media are saying. We all can make our choices based on the facts we gather and how we interpret them. What bothers me most are people who blindly follow what all media outlets say about issues without question.
Enjoy your day!
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@dgobucks226 (37621)
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16 Jun 23
I appreciate your opinion on this topic, but I am skeptical not only of the severity of climate change but the administration's approach to it.
-In my view, environmentalism that’s all passion and no reason is no good for anyone. Claims like Congresswoman Cortez that the world will end in 12 years is irresponsible, stupid, and a scare tactic lacking in facts or reality.
Those who believe it, should realize that changing climatic conditions happen all the time. I do agree that there is nothing wrong in being pro-active in working towards a cleaner environment. But a more common-sense approach is what is needed here, not hysterics lacking in proper planning without any regard to the cost and effect on our economy.
And for those who believe all the hype, consider this... -None of the apocalyptic predictions made by the government and scientists and politicians with due dates as of today have come true.
My response is not to minimize your viewpoint, only to provide another way of looking at this problem.
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@rebelann (117199)
• El Paso, Texas
15 Jun 23
Those are some really good points.
You know me, I'z gotta throw in a couple of my own:
This whole climate crap is mostly due to nincompoops who go around destroying forests to build condos, we need the trees not those damn condos. Cutting down trees is stupid because one tree can add oxygen and soak up pollution IF it's a mature tree. I have to laugh when some folks think those lil seedlings they plant will be able to be of any help.
As for TX, most of it is living in stupidity .... yeah, I know I live in TX but you gotta remember I'm in the desert region closest to New Mexico and not on the same grid that Dallas or San Antonio is on. I think those solar panels would work really well here cuz we get more sunshine than rain. As for those windmills, well, those are dangerous for bees and birds so why even bother with those ..... I love nature and when something is a risk to nature we need to reconsider.
I don't even want an electric car, I might consider one of those hybrids if I could afford one but I don't drive automatics so that kinda leaves me out.
K, got that out~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~NEXT

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@dgobucks226 (37621)
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16 Jun 23
Of course, you do...
You make some interesting and insightful points rebel. I would take issue with completely replacing gas with solar for all Americans though. Like many things in a free society, it should be a choice. Yes, solar in a sunny climate like yours would be a plus, but not for all parts of the U.S. have that type of weather.
Here are some more points to consider. The resource for most solar panels comes from China, who I have no love lost for. And China is the biggest polluter of the environment in the world. Another reason I dislike them. Also, the initial cost to go solar is not affordable for most Americans even with subsidies from the government. And you mentioned the grids which I've read can be an issue with getting them connected easily. Another problem, solar doesn’t keep your air conditioning running on steamy nights. And it gets hot in Texas,
Yes, I agree with you those EV's are just too expensive for me right now. Then I read they cost more than gas to charge. They only can travel 250 miles on a charge, and it takes 45 minutes to charge them. And then there's that reliance on China again.
Yep, seems the current administration has a lot more thinking to do on this subject!
You make some interesting and insightful points rebel. I would take issue with completely replacing gas with solar for all Americans though. Like many things in a free society, it should be a choice. Yes, solar in a sunny climate like yours would be a plus, but not for all parts of the U.S. have that type of weather.
Here are some more points to consider. The resource for most solar panels comes from China, who I have no love lost for. And China is the biggest polluter of the environment in the world. Another reason I dislike them. Also, the initial cost to go solar is not affordable for most Americans even with subsidies from the government. And you mentioned the grids which I've read can be an issue with getting them connected easily. Another problem, solar doesn’t keep your air conditioning running on steamy nights. And it gets hot in Texas,
Yes, I agree with you those EV's are just too expensive for me right now. Then I read they cost more than gas to charge. They only can travel 250 miles on a charge, and it takes 45 minutes to charge them. And then there's that reliance on China again.
Yep, seems the current administration has a lot more thinking to do on this subject!1 person likes this
@rebelann (117199)
• El Paso, Texas
16 Jun 23
Freedom comes with responsibilies. Just because we're free etc doesn't mean we should destroy our planet just cuz we want something, instead as a free society all of us need to take in consideration what harm it does to wild habitat. Our planet is running out of wild habitat for other species to be able to survive and that is not acceptable, they too have the right to survive. Ok, got that out, phew.
I don't care who creates a better energy source as long as it's environmentally friendly and gets most of us off the electric grid but you've got a good point, it's usually very expensive. I'm not yet all that sure about what the media says about China, Mongolia or other countries
Yeah, solar panels won't work really well in areas that get lots of cloud cover.
So many problems, so few good remedies.
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@dgobucks226 (37621)
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17 Jun 23
@rebelann First of all, I never claimed we should destroy the planet. Some choices are made for us, for example, if we live at the poverty level and can't afford to buy an Electric vehicle, we drive what we can afford. And support our planet in other ways like recycling and not littering. Secondly, if were talking about responsibility, why are our most ardent supporters of climate change (liberal Democrats in this administration) traveling all over the world in private jets? Shouldn't "they" be setting a "responsible" example for the rest of us. I can answer that for you, because it just isn't feasible for them, just like buying an EV for a poor person is not feasible either.
As much as I enjoy nature and wildlife too, it has always been sacrificed to a degree by human progress. For example, animals have been forced from their habitat to make way for homes and condos. Is it fair, no, but necessary for a growing human population and now an influx of "illegal immigrants."
There needs to be a balanced approach to climate change and whatever course is taken wildlife will be affected in some way. Money, greed and political power are the motivating factors behind these decisions and because many human beings can be inherently selfish and self-centered, this is the reality.
Fossil fuels will always be a needed source to some extent in our society. They are even a product source for EV's. We have made great strides in making that oil/gas the cleanest in the world. These idiots in the administration need to recognize its importance to our economy before they destroy our society as we know it.
-An analysis from the "Brookings Institution estimated the price tag for these renewable energy policies will hit $1.2 trillion by 2040 and $780 billion in the next decade." This will add $216 billion between 2022 and 2031, to the Government deficit according to an estimate from the White House’s own Office of Management and Budget. We can just not afford that! There are enough people living at the poverty level and needing government assistance already. The economy will collapse as a result for all Americans but the liberal elites!
Just a note on your media reference. Who cares what the media says about China. Find out the facts for yourself and use your own judgement! Don't let the media speak for you, they are all biased. Use your own intelligence and common sense to make your own decisions.
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@celticeagle (189792)
• Boise, Idaho
15 Jun 23
Hurrying up after it's nearly too late is not a good way to go. Stupid statements need to be received with a grain of salt. Electric vehicles are a bit scary for me for several reasons. If a person is relying on such a vehicle and then the power grid goes down--- what then? Experts really need to start looking at a plan to go forward. It all should have been started years ago when some were still disbelieving.
@dgobucks226 (37621)
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16 Jun 23
The question is at the time were all those predictions so stupid? In hindsight yes, as "none of the apocalyptic predictions made by the government and scientists and politicians with due dates, as of today have come true."
And yet, here we are again, with more dire predictions for the future of the world.
I do agree with you about the planning. A gradual calculated response that is well thought out regarding EV's and everything else they propose would be a saner approach in my opinion. And would not bankrupt America in the process.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts...
@RebeccasFarm (91299)
• United States
15 Jun 23
They are nuts, but you and I know that DB.
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@RebeccasFarm (91299)
• United States
16 Jun 23
@dgobucks226 Oh I could elaborate wildly, but in short, I would't spit on them if they were on fire.

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@dgobucks226 (37621)
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16 Jun 23
A woman of few but profound words on the subject 

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@LadyDuck (502190)
• Italy
15 Jun 23
They always have to scare us for a reason or another.
REAL scientists know that our earth goes through "cycles", there are warmer ages and colder ages and this is all natural, but NO they have to make us believe that we are doomed. Electrical vehicle need polluting batteries, but if they oblige all people to replace their cars, they boost the economy of course. CHEATERS!
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@LadyDuck (502190)
• Italy
16 Jun 23
@dgobucks226 Those politicians are all crooks, they know from the ancients that you must keep people ignorant and scare them to get the maximum from them.
We are lucky that (for the moment) those who still use their brain are not put in jail, another Witch Hunt will start if they consider this necessary.
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@dgobucks226 (37621)
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16 Jun 23
I totally agree with you on all your points. Could not have stated it any better
Your one smart cookie Anna
You Get It!
-In my view, environmentalism that’s all passion and no reason is no good for anyone.
You might be interested in this statement by one of our members of Congress.
Congresswoman Ocasio-Cortez said that the world will end in 12 years. This is irresponsible, stupid, and a scare tactic lacking in facts or reality.
You Get It!
-In my view, environmentalism that’s all passion and no reason is no good for anyone.
You might be interested in this statement by one of our members of Congress.
Congresswoman Ocasio-Cortez said that the world will end in 12 years. This is irresponsible, stupid, and a scare tactic lacking in facts or reality.1 person likes this






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