Oh, NO! Global Cooling?

Decomposition of Global Temperature data set - Global termperatures here are broken down (decomposed) into individual trends. Please, notice that a majority of the trends, (component trends) are about to turn DOWN.
United States
March 17, 2007 8:19am CST
Real science is controvertial. It has disagreements. People discuss things with logic and evidence. Here is a quote from a blog reviewing a counter Global Warming arguement article published in a scientific journal. " An article has appeared in a recent issue of Meteorology and Atmospheric Physics with a curious title “Multi-scale analysis of global temperature changes and trend of a drop in temperature in the next 20 years.” " Here is the url of the blog. http://www.worldclimatereport.com/index.php/2007/03/16/the-coming-global-cooling/ The attached chart is from the article. It shows the global temperature data set decomposed into various trends. Adding the components (trends) together reproduces the original global temperature data set. Many of the individual component trends are turning DOWN. Do you think man made Global Warming has been prematurely accepted as fact? Or, is science still trying to make up its mind?
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@coffeechat (1961)
• New Zealand
21 Mar 07
Red - the rhetoric is overwhelming sometimes. I am clear about one set of things: 1. We had the Ice Age - not for so long ago. 2. We have been burning our fossil fuels at an alarming rate. 3. Growth - what we have experienced since World War II is unsubstainable if we want the benefits to be equitable. i.e. the farmer in Burkina Faso enjoying the same standard of living as a farmer in Switzerland. 4. There are things happening in the Solar system and beyond that we have not a glimmer of understanding about. Given that, my personal manifesto is: 1. I shall not use hydrocarbon based energy one iota more than absolutely essential. I will be agressively prudent in the use of energy resources. 2. Consume food that is locally produced as much as possible. The regime of cheap energy (yes it would still be cheap at $200 a barrel) is creating unsubstainable production and distribution models. e.g. I will not purchase bottled beverages that travel over 10 k.m. or a bag of potato chips that travelled from Idaho to Vietnam. So to summarise the scientific arguments in an unscientific manner would be: There is a great chance that we warm up the globe through our energy gluttony, while the world cools or freezes due to changes in the celestial objects and there is the probability, of an asteroid going off trajectory and hitting planet earth. I will continue to do my bit! lol.
• United States
21 Mar 07
Certainly, the rhetoric is overwhelming concerning global climate change. People can get quite emotional about the subject. As to your suggestions, I agree these would be wise actions for everyone. I think they make good economic sense. I do similar things. However, I do these things mostly because I am so cheap! LOL.
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• United States
22 Mar 07
Well, I was only half kidding. It turns out that almost everything that makes the most economic sense is also the best for the environment. That is, if you do the analysis over the long term.
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• New Zealand
22 Mar 07
Hey Red - do you allow yourself to be bullied into the "being cheap" stuff... It is all about being reasonable.
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@The_Eagle_1 (1121)
• Australia
20 Mar 07
Global cooling now red!! You are just trying to get a response from me are??? Well you did!! lol How are you mate? Ihave heard it mentioned and their arguement relys on a north / south pole theory. Where if one thing is happening the other is immenant and corresponding!! Anyway just popped into say "gooday" and have a good night!
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• United States
20 Mar 07
"Gooday Eagle!" LOL... yeah those poor scientists take a lot of abuse for not being able to make up their minds. I have read about that north - south magnetic pole thing. This can be summed up by saying that if your compass starts to point in the wrong direction, we will all die. Also, we know it has happened in the past. No one knows when it will happen again. There surely is nothing we can do about it. I once read a great big long complicated article that could be condensed down to what I just said above. So, enjoy life and the earth while we still have it.
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• Australia
21 Mar 07
Well I don't know about "global cooling" red, but if we don't get rain, and I mean heavy rain here soon, our water storage areas will run out! They have placed us on level 4 (there is no level 5, but they are reviewing the posibilities) water restrictions, no outside watering and no washing cars except for windscreens and lights. There are rumours about shutting down industries, landscaping companies and garden supplies are closing their doors already, there is no filling of pools, no spas... NO RAIN!!! We are stocking up on bottled water and saving what little we have in our rain tanks... whenever they predict rain it is similar to a flock of low flying sparrows... nothing to help! The suggestions of purifying sewerage water for drinking doesn't seem to do it for me! Well catch you down the track red, take care!
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@Lindalinda (4111)
• Canada
19 Mar 07
I really don't know and I am not a scientist. I have read a couple of articles on global cooling since you mentioned it. It is hard to form an opinion. I do believe though albeit through personal observations that the climate is changing. It also seems a majority of climatologists favour the theory of global warming. There was a big conference recently in Europe. I believe it was in Norway unless my memory fails me.
• United States
19 Mar 07
Actually, I am pretty certain global warming is occuring. What the scientists who wrote the article are really saying is that there is going to be about 20 years of the trend going in the other direction. This is normal for the temperature to zig zag as it goes up or down overall. It is very much like stock market behavior, something I have studied the mathematics of quite a bit. What the 2 Chinese scientists have done is exaimined actual data and broke it down into its cyclic components and extrapolated it. Theirs may or may not be a valid methodology. All the evidence is not in, yet. But their work is not easily dismissed as meaningless. There is reason to think what they have done is valid, just no proof, yet. This is true experimental research we are looking at. So, to sum up, there probably is global warming overall, but the next 20 years could likely see a counter cooling trend before things start back up again. Thanks, for responding to my thread on global cooling.
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@VKXY62 (1605)
• Australia
22 Mar 07
Interesting for sure. I've heard of the global warming overload scenario. Where global warming carries on as it does, but with that, you get a lot of extra clouds, more cloud cover reflects a pile of the energy from the Sun back into space and then you get the snap freeze effect. I guess there would be oscillations but how severe, I don't know, and would they be any worse than the weather has inflicted to various other places on Earth in the past, we have to wait.
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@EvanHunter (4026)
• United States
30 Mar 07
I just read the link you posted along with going back to its main page to read some of the others. The first thing that comes to mind (right or wrong) is that it was published from China. Free thinking isnt particularly a great asset to the government there (or anywhere lately) when they are about to hit the industrial revolution in their country and its still communist country. I did find it ironic that the blog for that article was dissabled, or maybe it was for all on the website not sure. What I often wonder is every time this subject comes up or some other subject that the media jumps all over is what is it that we arent being shown, I know I am a bit paranoid but its served me well so far. News media today seems to be more about slight of hand than actually putting the important facts out. I agree that reguardless of global warming or not our resources are not infinite and we should be more worried about taking care of what we have than trashing it and looking for the next replacement.
• United States
30 Mar 07
Congratulations, because of following those links and thinking a little bit, you now know more than the vast majority of people about global warming. You know more than all of the people who have only seen Al Gore's movie. As to China and its scientists, they continue to get better. Slowly, very slowly, the Communist Party there is losing their ability to hold China back. The Chinese scientific establishment getting better is one more symptom of the truth of this.
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