What do you know about masonry?

@missak (3311)
Spain
April 4, 2007 11:54am CST
I think it is an interesting topic, with different discussion lines: why secret? why male-only? outdated? ...
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@nicolec (2671)
• United States
4 Apr 07
I have learned quite a bit about the masons in the last few months as I have befriended two masons. It's very ritualistic and not as secretive as I thought. Yes, they hide the 'big' secrets. But I was quite amazed at what they did tell me. Like how you become a mason. the initiation and different degrees of the mason. The ceremony and the brother hood. The seperation of the lodges based on secular life and how woman are not involved directly. Do I think it's outdated? well, since I don't know what secrets they really hold I can't answer that. I think it's become more of ritual than anything else.
@missak (3311)
• Spain
4 Apr 07
Thanks for your answer, very interesting. I have learned a little on books, I like their atmosphere, but I have some disapointments with them... if they hide a so important secret about life, what about the rest of the people? according to them we don't live life correctly? and why women are not involved? You can see my other discussion, where I and other mylotters talk about a feminine god... what should masons answer to that arguments?
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@nicolec (2671)
• United States
4 Apr 07
It's not really the women are not involved, they just have a different place. They have the auxilliary which is their own way of having a community. I've never had one tell me that we don't live life the right way, so I'm not sure what you mean by that. And I don't get the feeling that the secret really is about life. But if you really want to find out, then become a mason. then your questions will be answered.
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@missak (3311)
• Spain
19 Jun 07
Thanks for the information. Your recommendation is funny, and following it I'll join all religions... lol.
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• United States
25 Jun 07
I always find different belief systems so fascinating! Actually, though, I think the Masons are a brotherhood, not a religion. I have known one or two Masons and am very impressed with their good works (like free children's hospitals -- especially their burn units). I'm not sure that they have any truly earth shaking secrets, but their keeping of secrets helps to bind them to the brotherhood. They do have members who are very high up in government, and some people get paranoid about that -- although I think they should worry more about the members of the "Skull and Bones" group from Yale University. It's a much more elitist and power oriented organization and seems more capable of trying to control our government for their own ends (mostly more power and more money). Skull and Bones-men really do have a great deal of power here -- Pres. Bush is a member, for instance. As for their women -- the masons give them their own group (Queens of the Eastern Star, or something like that where they get to wear tiaras and crowns). They do their own "good works" to compliment the men's activities, without outshining their husbands -- OR knowing the secrets! It's a kind of seperate-but-equal solution to keep the women quiet and maybe even happy. On the whole, I like the Mason's acceptance of people from all walks of life -- not just the rich and powerful.
@missak (3311)
• Spain
9 Jul 07
Very interesting about the Queens of the Eastern Star, I didn't know about that!
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• United States
10 Jul 07
I've been meaning to mention also a book, "The Cards Of Your Destiny," by Robert Camp. It is a system for fortune telling using a regular deck of cards as it's base, but it really relies on many charts -- so you don't lay out the cards in a pattern, as with Tarot cards, but you look everything up in the charts using your date of birth. The reason I mention it is that Camp says this system comes from "mystical orders that began in ancient Egypt" and was a closely guarded secret for centuries. I can't help but think he was talking about the masons -- even though the masons sound like they started during a time when the guild system of education and employment was powerful. Their use of some Egyptian symbols makes me think they have some deeper roots. I don't know if the book is available in any foreign languages but, having used it myself, it is incredibly accurate. Anyway, just needed to pass that along.
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@missak (3311)
• Spain
10 Jul 07
Thank you! Interesting. I was planning to make a new discussion about divination systems... lol... the ways of God are unexcrutables:P
@Naseem00 (1996)
• Pakistan
25 Jun 07
I would like to suggest you to check this one out. www.allaahuakbar.net/free-masons/index.htm I might will not agree to everything this site says, I find the information about freemasonery interesting and would like to verify it too.
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• United States
11 Jul 07
A good rule of thumb is to ignore the conspiracy theories regarding the Freemasons for they tend to ignore certain facts; like for instance at one time, the percentage of Americans who were Freemasons was much higher than it is now. There were also Freemasons fighting on both sides of the war of Independence, likewise the Civil War. It is simple population figures that resulted in Freemasons being in important positions.
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• Janesville, Wisconsin
26 Apr 07
It holds some secrets but they are not to hidden, anyone can discover them through searching the internet now a days. Male Only is their tradition, But there is also a female order too Called Order of Eastern Star or something like that. Most Masonry is very public and the only major secrets about it is the membership, and certain signs and symbols for them to affliate with eachother. - DNatureofDTrain
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@missak (3311)
• Spain
11 Jun 07
Thanks for this interesting information. I'll have to research on the Order of Eastern Star so.
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@morgandrake (2136)
• United States
11 Jul 07
Freemasonry is a fraternal Order. Originally, the secrets were merely to allow a member to verify that another person was a member; this was before the modern system of membership cards and Grand Lodges (centralized records and authority). The male only concept came out of the culture that they started in, and being an Order they never got rid of it (Orders are highly conservative). There is Co-Masonry which allows women in (though a lot of the traditional Freemasons do not recognize that branch of Freemasonry). There is also the Order of the Eastern Star (the only secrets there are the recognition codes). The real reason behind the secrecy was that there were certain benefits to belonging to the Freemasons. They believed like the other Orders did that the benefits should be restricted to those who contributed to the Order (in other words, due paying members). For instance, my grandmother was a member of the Woodman of America. the Wooodmen had rituals, and secret signs, and the whole nine yards. What was the benefit of joining the Woodmen? Insurance. In the days before the insurance companies, it was the Orders that provided the insurance safety net. Nowadays, the Orders seem to serve no purpose and are rapidly disappearing. But in 1900 (USA), forty percent of the adult population belonged to at one Order. That includes women and minorities. Are the Orders really outdated? In some ways, they are. For instance, based on membership figures, Freemasonry in the United States will became extinct in ten to twenty years; Scottish Rite will go bankrupt in about twenty. And your average Golden Dawn lodge will have about six members (ignoring the GD Orders which rely on correspondence and online programs). Problem is that the Orders have not figured out a purpose that justifies people being members in the modern age. If they can figure out a reason for people to want to join and remain active members, we will see the Orders come back and return to their previous membership numbers.
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