aren't american elections now too important simply to be decided

@ESKARENA1 (18299)
April 17, 2007 2:53pm CST
AREN'T AMERICAN ELECTIONS NOW TOO IMPORTANT SIMPLY TO BE DECIDED BY AMERICANS ALONE? As the worlds only super power, electral decisions made by this electorate have a profound impact on the rest of the world. On the last two occassions, this democracy blessed the rest of the world with Bush. Isnt it time the United Nations took control to prevent a repeat? Shouldnt the rest of the world now have a veto?
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@Smith2028 (797)
• United States
19 Apr 07
Can you imagine the wrath world-wide if the Americans tried to decide the French, German, Russian, Chinese, Canadian, Mexican and Spanish elections? Even the slightest suggestion at this would incur worldwide protest, yet this is brought up as a simple discussion topic to be taken seriously.
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@ESKARENA1 (18299)
19 Apr 07
yet, by the power of economy, this is exactly what America do. Of ciurse it brings world-wide protest
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@arcadian (931)
• United States
19 Apr 07
Where have you been- we most certainly do directly affect the administration of other countries- although with Cuba our efforts failed. We supported the Castro placement until we understood we'd be booted out- then we tried numerous plots to kill him.
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• United States
19 Apr 07
yes we affect foreign policies, but we do not directly meddle in elections... anymore. I will concede we have in the past, but in the context of this post, we would be ostracized if we tried to decide other countries elections in the present day.
@Nebuloso (179)
• United States
19 Apr 07
From a quick glance at the responses, it seems like there is a pretty even split...Americans generally think this is a horrible idea and non-Americans think it's a swell idea. Well, I'm an American and I think it's a great idea! Anyone in the world willing to send their check to the IRS - including all back taxes owed - should definitely get a vote. By my way of thinking, a vote is a person's way of saying (indirectly), "I think such-and-such a person should be making the decisions as to how to spend my money." So...if you're not putting any money in, you shouldn't get a vote. Hmmm...I'm guessing that not many people are going to be willing to take up that offer...
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@nuffsed (1273)
20 Apr 07
Nice try Nebuloso..... "By my way of thinking, a vote is a person's way of saying (indirectly), I think such-and-such a person should be making the decisions as to how to spend my money." You are surely kidding!!!! People vote for the candidates' look, style, and rhetoric. They vote for the religion, or the war record. They hardly think about the fact that they are voting for the way their money is spent. If they did, they'd be up in arms at the turn events. It is the Corporations who mainly decide where the money is spent.
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@ESKARENA1 (18299)
2 May 07
hahaha nuff, nice one. I think i prodded the nationalism hiding just under the surfice in a few blessed be
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@pyewacket (44031)
• United States
17 Apr 07
..."this democracy blessed the rest of the world with Bush..." LOL that's a good one...I'm an American and believe me I DIDN'T vote for Bush...and what gauled me was that people actually like him...I have one neighbor...this was right after the last election...and she's going on and on and on.."Oh, Bush is a wonderful president..don't you think?" Let's put it this way, I really had to restrain myself from saying what I really thought of him...that is unless I wanted to have a screaming match...As a voter it's very discouraging that here we are doing our best to elect the people who we think might do a good job of it, and they don't get elected...no...this really isn't a democracy by any means
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@ESKARENA1 (18299)
18 Apr 07
i am coming round to seeing democracy as an illusion. As the British politition, Tony Ben has argued, if voting changed anything, they would abolish it.
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@brothertuck (1257)
• United States
17 Apr 07
Aren't the AMERICAN elections too important to NOT be decided by AMERICANS alone? The Democratic process of the citizens of the US is the basis for our government and nation. Yes the USA does influence a lot of people, but so does China, Russia, Germany, UK, Japan, various Arab countries. Should they be influenced by people who do not view things the way they do? Allowing other countries to veto a vote is the same as saying democracy no longer exists. I agree that the last 2 elections produced what I feel is the worst president of my lifetime, and I have been around since Eisenhower, and I could easily go on with my opinion of this administration, but it was America's choice. Why not just let the world decide who rules every country. Then all the despots and dictators of the world would be removed and a world election for each country from it's citizens would be done. Of course if you did that in the US you would see protests and possibly 'insurgency' like you see in Iraq now. This is my country, I may not like everything about the government, but I will defend the system. I will not tell another country how to run it (which unfortunately is what Bush and his friends are trying to do). Only in ways that directly affect the US would I put any input. I agree with the anti-Bush movement here, though of the 2 major parties I am more leaning towards the Republicans. He has taken it to an extreme that goes beyond what he should be allowed. You cannot judge the next choice just because you see this one as being wrong.
• United States
17 Apr 07
I love America, my country. But in some ways I think I love the idea of America, more than what the country actually is sometimes. What we have forgotten is that America was never meant to be a 2 party system. The Libertarians are gaining more and more popularity, and you sort of sound like one. I think we need to fix problems here before we go running around invading other countries that DO NOT want us there so that we may reap their precious resources. What my greatest hope is, is that we are actually learning from the mistakes of the Bush family and our choice (America's collectively, not mine) to give them power.
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@ESKARENA1 (18299)
17 Apr 07
mmmmm ok i agree up to a point, but i do worry about the last two elections, questions were raised seriously about the legitimacy of the reigeme and some of the vote counting. I just wonder if this had happened in a country out of favour with the usa wouldn's she be calling for U.N supervised elections?
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19 Apr 07
I totally agree. The entire world gets affected by America's choice of president, so the entire world should have a say. I think it is wrong that the likes of Britney Spears and Jessica Simpson are entitled to decide who rules the world and I, as a thinking, educated, informed citizen am not, just because I happen to have been born in the UK. If America doesn't want the entire world helping to choose its president, maybe America should quit invading other people's countries and dictating who should be in charge there. Just a thought.
@ESKARENA1 (18299)
19 Apr 07
wow its good to find someone who agrees. I must addmit when i started this thread i did it to be provocative. However, ive read every response and it doesnt seem such a ridiculous idea after all thank you for your response blessed be
• United States
17 Apr 07
By your estimations, then the rest of the world should get a vote for any leader or election in any country. We are living in a global community now. What each elected leader does affects the rest of the world. You are sort of missing the point. The governments of the world only have so much power, including America. The real people in power are the super wealthy. And they are in power all over the world, not just in America. The government leaders who get elected, are usually helped or supported one way or another by the super rich. And it is in their best interest to make themselves richer, and the poor stricken with poverty.
@ESKARENA1 (18299)
17 Apr 07
hahaha yes absolutely agreed, i assure you i do not miss the point, ill say more when we have a few more responses blessed be
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@nuffsed (1273)
19 Apr 07
We have a global malaise. We need global consensus. If we want our voting sytems to work, we need to have our politicians back. Back to being "of the people, for the people". That is what we've lost The super rich have taken over via the Corporation. Corporation power has to be curtailed and ring fenced. The people globally, have to decide they don't want one media owner controlling several global enterprises. Chemical Corporations working as cartells subverting safety legislation, undermining human rights and polluting and poisoning everywhere they operate. People have to agree to stop the lobbying system offering politicians a quick path lifelong security for the price of a vote or two. But most of all, countries have to learn to not take advantage, Free Trade, is far from Fair Trade. Let's face it, it's all about greed and success, too much of anything....is TOO MUCH! And it will do us all harm.
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@nuffsed (1273)
19 Apr 07
Oh dear, I seem to be stuttering!!! :)
@ESKARENA1 (18299)
19 Apr 07
hahaha yes you suttered my friend, but as usual with brillient effect blessed be
• Sri Lanka
5 May 07
This is Sri Lanka and it is not America that decides our future. Of course we may be going their for aid, but it is the American people who should decide whether their tax money should be given to Sri Lankans as aid. I don't think we should have the power to vote for an American president who will plunder the tax payer's money and give it to us as aid. We ask for aid because our voter never used their brains in voting. The most dumb idiots are voted into power. God Bless America if we vote for their president.
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@ESKARENA1 (18299)
5 May 07
ok, i just wondered if the control American corporatism exerts on the economies of the world and the way her troops dictate the flow of American commerce and economic interest, mean that the rest of the world now should have a say in picking the next bone head to be in charge of it all, or at very least the UN SHOULD SUPERVISE THE CHOICE OF CANDIDATES Blessed be
@nuffsed (1273)
19 Apr 07
We have a global malaise. We need global consensus. If we want our voting sytems to work, we need to have our politicians back. Back to being "of the people, for the people". That is what we've lost The super rich have taken over via the Corporation. Corporation power has to be curtailed and ring fenced. The people globally, have to decide they don't want one media owner controlling several global enterprises. Chemical Corporations working as cartells subverting safety legislation, undermining human rights and polluting and poisoning everywhere they operate. People have to agree to stop the lobbying system offering politicians a quick path lifelong security for the price of a vote or two. Let's face it, it's all about greed and success, too much of anything....is TOO MUCH! And it will do us all harm.
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@MrNiceGuy (4147)
• United States
17 Apr 07
Hahhaa, that is the stupidest idea I've heard in a long time. Do you want all the US' money too? How about other countries get our military as well? Maybe our jobs? pffft. NO! Of course the rest of the world shouldnt get a voice in who runs OUR country. What a joke...
@ESKARENA1 (18299)
18 Apr 07
Actually, with Americanization of globalization, the rest of the world gets American money (McDonalds and coca cola being just the worst examples). If any country wants more for its oil than America wants to pay they are also going to get American military. As for jobs? wow America has the largest black labour market of any nation on earth because illegals are cheaper to employ. I dont mind other countries not having a voice in who runs your country (i would be deeply ashamed of your last choice) as long as your voice isnt heard shril in every other country blessed be
@MrNiceGuy (4147)
• United States
19 Apr 07
-"Actually, with Americanization of globalization, the rest of the world gets American money (McDonalds and coca cola being just the worst examples)." A more accurate word than "gets" would be "wants American money". Its not America's fault American companies (completely seperate from our Government) sell products that everyone wants.... -"If any country wants more for its oil than America wants to pay they are also going to get American military." What are your examples? Iraq? One country? Wow..... What about Venezuela and Canada, who we get most of our oil from? -"As for jobs? wow America has the largest black labour market of any nation on earth because illegals are cheaper to employ. " You call it black market, us Americans call it a bane on our society. Unassimilated workers hurt our country. THey cause crime, they use up health resources and now they might soon be able to take our social security money. It isn't America's fault that our country is so liked that people literally break the law to enter they want to come here so bad.... -"I dont mind other countries not having a voice in who runs your country" Good, because its a ridiculous idea...
@arcadian (931)
• United States
19 Apr 07
Does the word Haliburton mean anything to you?
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• Kottayam, India
18 Apr 07
Of course, the election results of US will affect all world. UN0 can never do it.