A Stronger United Nations

@Daquin (46)
United States
April 18, 2007 4:26pm CST
It came to mind in History of Warfare today that we need a stronger UN and the problems with making it stronger. We have the chance to make the world a stronger, better place, but, in order to do that, we need to lose nationalism and move into internationalism. Here was the proposed plan: In order to give the UN some clout, the US and the entire Security Council need to let go of their veto power and the UN itself needs to be run like the US Senate (every country gets an equal vote). Will any member of the Council do this? Probably not since having the veto gives them the chance to be the big fish in the small pond, but what do you think?
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@MrNiceGuy (4141)
• United States
19 Apr 07
If the UN is to be run by equal shares, how can you reconcile the fact that the US and other current Security Council states pay far far more and risk far more than the other countries? Why is that fair? And what happens when no decisions can be made?
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@Daquin (46)
• United States
19 Apr 07
The US pays the most because the UN is paid by progressive taxation. Since we have the largest GNP, we pay the most, it's just like taxing in this country so I don't think that is unfair. As for risking far more, we went against the UN to go to Iraq for Bush's moronic attempt to jump at shadows. We are risking only because our leader is making us risk more.
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@MrNiceGuy (4141)
• United States
21 Apr 07
Well it is unfair... To make a real global community, it shouldn't matter how much money you have, you should either have representation equal to your population or to your contributions... It won't work any other way...
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@Smith2028 (797)
• United States
19 Apr 07
This is a horrible idea. The human race is not a peaceful race. We are all savages in the worst of circumstances. There should be no form of world government or world governing body at all.
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• United States
19 Apr 07
"It is just all the jingoists of the US that don't think we should follow the UN." This is an incredibly fallacious statement. Do you really believe it? Have you ever known a jingoist? According to this statement all of us who do not want to follow the UN are jingoists. Are assure you I am not in favor of war or of the USA going to war as often as we do. FYI, there are actually not very many jingoists in real life. Mostly, they exist in the imagination of liberals as a way to justify and explain their own lack of understanding of world events. What jingoists do exist in real life mostly lose that attitude after their first real experience with that sort of policy.
• United States
19 Apr 07
"Peace can only come if we see ourselves as a global culture rather than a flaming sword-weilding crusader." Certainly, the above is true. Where we disagree is that I do not see the USA as a flaming sword-weilding crusader. Neither do the people you mention. You are jumping to conclusions and do not understand those people's positions, at all. You are not even close. Calling people jingoists is a "cop-out" and an excuse for failure to being able comprehend on your part. I will try again, from a different angle. A global government is going to be necessary. The current UN is not that government. It is trash. If you want a global government, which by the way, I have never argued against, you will have to junk the current UN and start over. If the above does not help you to understand, here's another attempt. To raise you consciousness level and to begin to be able to understand that which you obviously do not, I strongly suggest you do the following: 1) Obtain a college degree while completing the requirements for a military commission in the armed forces through ROTC. 2) Serve at least 3 years on active duty. 3) Discover the clarity of mind and purpose that will result from having yourself at risk while carrying serioius responsibility on your shoulders in this dangerous world. I promise that if you do the above it will give you a different perspective as to what's what.
@Daquin (46)
• United States
19 Apr 07
Destroy the UN and start again? Why not simply reform the UN, it's a lot more cost-effective and you can keep the land donated by those nice and friendly Rockefellers. You should stop jumping to conclusions also, mate. I'm currently going through college and part of the Army Reserve (that's right, I'm fighting for you...be afraid). I know this whole "responsibility" thing in the military which so far has seemed to include following orders and not going by common sense...definitely no sense of clarity there. But perhaps the military life works for you; as for myself, I enjoy being a mercenary throughout college.
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@Daquin (46)
• United States
19 Apr 07
Hmmm...let's use Webster's shall we? Jingoist: an extreme bellicose nationalist (for those of you playing at home, Bellicose: warlike in manner or temperament) Hmmm...now who would I characterize as warlike in their temperament about the world as a whole? Someone who is so heavy into nationalism that they fail to see the world around them? Someone who thinks it's a good thing when US Senators are BRAGGING about not having a passport (because we can learn nothing from the outside world)? O'reilly, Hannity, Bush, Coltier, and all those fun members of the Christian Right, but, make no mistake, those are not the only ones. There is a vast amount of American jingoism, but I do admit that there is a strong amount of jingoism in other countries as well. Peace can only come if we see ourselves as a global culture rather than a flaming sword-weilding crusader.
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@kamalila (193)
• United States
18 Apr 07
I don't see any country giving up such ability, including the US. I do agree that for the UN to be more effective, we need to start losing the nationalism. However, I don't see that happenning any time soon. We have too many differences of opinion. Let's face it, nations are much like people. Selfish, and looking to take care of its own before the good of the world. The exceptions are rare.
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